Chase Goldman
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Not a good pinpointer. The 40 is not much better.
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So do I. I like to use a specific set of phones for detecting so the WM09 allows that.
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You won't get any coil interference but Garrett Zylnk is underpowered and very sensitive to placement of the TX and RX as body shadowing of the wireless signal causes dropouts. Make sure you wear the RX on the side of your body that faces the TX module (i.e., wear the RX on the same side of your body as the arm you swing your detector). And make sure the TX is not line of sight blocked by the GPX control box.
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On 4/5/2024 at 11:13 AM, Lynk said:
That way you have a wider number of platform options (as mentioned), but you can also always carry spare disposable batteries.
At this point I just carry a backup charge bank. They're inexpensive, power dense which makes them compact enough to slip in a pocket and are versatile enough to be used to recharge any of your devices on the go. I'm basically done dealing with single use disposable batteries.
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19 hours ago, KDX said:
I've heard that comment before. Just how bad is the power button?
It's ridiculously difficult. That's why I had high hopes for the magic holster, but it's wonky.
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My recommendation is the XP MI4 or the Nokta Accupoint.
I have the XP MI6 which wirelessly integrates with the XP Deus and Deus 2 and it is the most sensitive, easily adjustable, and reliable pinpointer I've owned when integrated with the Deus. The MI4 is the equivalent to the MI6 but without the wireless connectivity to the Deus so it can be used standalone with any detector.
I also like and own a Nokta Accupoint. It's ferrous/non-ferrous ID tone works OK and as others have mentioned above, its visual display facilitates easy feature selection setup and sensitivity adjustments. But it is noticeably less sensitive than both my XP and Garrett Carrot pinpointers. At $20US less than the Accupoint, I consider the XP to be a better value. The Accupoint backs up my XP MI6.
I have also used the Quest Xpointer Max with the Magic Holster that automatically wakes the pinpointer when you remove it from the Holster via a magnetic switch. I think the Nokta is better overall vs. the Quest in terms of sensitivity, less falsing at max sensitivity, controls (the on/off button is overly stiff and the Magic Holster feature is hit or miss), and I think the ferrous/nonferrous tone discrimination works better on the Nokta than the Quest. So even at about $10US less than the Nokta Accupoint, I recommend the Accupoint over the Quest Xpointer Max. But recommend the XP MI4 overall.
HTH
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1 hour ago, mn90403 said:
Latest 2024 solar eclipse updates: Cloud forecast; how to get glasses (usatoday.com)
I'm having trouble lately with copy and paste of a URL? Does anyone else notice?
There are going to be lots of clouds for the Eclipse it seems. It could change my plans.
The link copy and paste issue is a byproduct of increased security measures we’ve had to take in response to massive uptick in spammers’ attempts to circumvent detection of spam related links. So we’ve disabled the ability to simply cut and paste embedded html code to posts. Unfortunately, the price is less convenience for our legitimate forum members. 😕
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Read through the thread linked below. The Nox 900/Manticore ID behavior should be similar to the Xterra's. It's not just a matter of doubling the target ID.
https://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/29-metal-detector-advice-comparisons/
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I like the Coiltek 5x10. It's a good compromise that keeps things light overall vs. the 11" but still with decent swing coverage at 10" in length so I don't have to feel like I have to tip toe around like with the 6" round but with decent separation with its 5" width. It is surprisingly deep despite it's smallish footprint. I keep it permanently attached to my Nox. If I need to go deep, then I would simply use the 11" or the bigger 15" coils. I find it more versatile than the 6" round coil.
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16 hours ago, Zord said:
Tekkna vs Goldfield
Not sure the point he was trying to make, if any. The IDs were basically the same for both programs on the identical targets (I took notes as the video played and did repeated viewings to get it all down). The audio was more expressive with Goldfield which is not unexpected and one of the reasons I prefer pitch audio over full tones and multi-tones in general.
No idea how mineralized his ground is because he went with big numbers so the mineralization bar graph was not visible during swings. Also, screen glare made it hard to see his program settings, but I am not disputing that he had the programs set up properly.
Tekkna is for high iron polluted ground to enable non-ferrous to bleed through. I do fine with Relic which is similar to gold field just a different upper frequency. Again, all he demonstrated was that Gold Field had better target audio, but if the detector is falsing on certain iron bits, those will sound good too and then things can get very audibly busy. I primarily hunt with relic but will use Tekkna or other FT programs for target interrogation or a change of pace. I never fear that Tekkna will mask micro targets. At 40 khz it does have depth limitations which are no different than GF.
The super hard small gold targets (small, on-edge) ID'd as 00 with BOTH programs. I did not see a case where the TID was signficantly altered by Tekkna vs. Goldfield, both were pretty unstable on those tough targets. I certainly prefer the Goldfield Audio, especially if the ground is mild and relatively pollution free. Of note, I saw no case where the target was actually filtered out by Tekkna - the ID was there and displayed similarly on both programs. Full Tones presents some advantages over Goldfield/Relic pitch audio wrt to a level of audio TID and also can help with identification of trash non-ferrous (e.g., aluminum bits) that give a distorted sound vs. symmetric ring, button, coin targets. But I personally prefer the zip-zip pitch audio which leaves little doubt as to the presence of a target.
For Tekkna detractors, if Tekkna doesn't work for you audibly, then just move on instead of arguing it masks micro gold and silver targets. This video proved to me it doesn't.
This is all a case of seeing what you want to see.
Detector test videos are increasingly becoming more prevalent as a means to push a particular agenda, vendetta, or underlying bias towards a particular point of view, I suppose because controversy generates views and subs. There are still those who put it out there objectively but they get drowned out by all those wanting to attract views and objectivity is considered boring. It's tiresome to wade through them, attempt to objectively interpret them and in many cases its just impossible.
I don't know if there was an agenda here or not, but it seems based on the YT site comments for this video it played into the Anti-Tekkna crowd's bias.
Whatever the case, my interpretation again was that it didn't demonstrate Tekkna masking of micro gold or silver target IDs or audio, at least compared to Gold Field.
Please let me know if I missed the point of the video.
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1 hour ago, markinswpa said:
I remember thinking strange, also remember the manual stating the 800 you could connect up to 4 Bluetooth device's at once, (An option not available on the 900) so why didn't my ML80s pair also.
Mark - The Nox can only pair to 4 WM-08's simultaneously (Minelab's proprietary wireless protocol devices) not to 4 Bluetooth devices. You can only pair to one BT device at a time. That's why you need to do the radio reset thing to clear any other BT device it has memorized. Since Nox also can only pair one BT device at a time that's why you also need to make sure that no other BT device is in handshaking/pairing range while it is searching for a BT device or the Nox might pair to that device before pairing with your desired BT device, as you discovered. 👍
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1 hour ago, deathray said:
Ive only watched a few of his early videos, and sern him on the forums...but didnt he bring alot of this on himself? I didnt care for his style, why I didnt watch.
He had a polarizing style but that also created a formidable following of both haters and loyalists. As they say, in entertainment, any publicity is good publicity and monetization doesn’t care whether people are viewing or even subscribing to hate or to love. So it was one of the elements that made his channel successful. He had a reckoning at some point and finally figured out that the haters didn’t matter and came through that awhile ago. He left the platform not because of the haters but because generating content had become a chore and time sink, I.e., it wasn’t fun and exciting anymore - he simply burned out on it and decided to move on not unlike any other hobby that you no longer consider a worthwhile occupier of your time.
Whether you love or hate him, the final video lays this all out and is a worthwhile view and cautionary tale on YouTube content generation.
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14 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:You need a thick skin to put yourself out there, especially if you like to stir the pot. I fully sympathize as this forum is largely set up the way it is to protect my own peace of mind. The open internet can be vicious and genuinely harmful if not managed properly. Sometimes it’s just not worth it and the best solution is to step away. He has my best wishes.
He was brutally honest with himself and his followers and detractors in his final farewell video. He totally understood the dynamic, recognized the haters were never going away and never going to embrace him, and he was very self aware of how he, himself evolved in a positive manner during his YouTube journey. It just became to much of a time sink and he fully recognized when it was time to walk away before completely burning out. Some great nuggets in his farewell for budding YouTubers. This video convinced me once and for all that I am probably not cut out to be content provider in that medium. I'll stick to the written word.
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4 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:
I never had ML 80s, so I always do a reset, just to clear the pairing log.
Chase is probably right. 👍
Holding down the radio button for 2 seconds clears the pairing log so you don't have to erase any custom programming just to pair another set of phones, but a Nox factory reset also gets the job done and is not a big deal for most folks because there is only one custom user profile slot and re-customizing preferred user settings not a big deal on the Nox. Both methods are described in the Nox user manual.
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1 hour ago, DigInTheSand said:
Hello again F350. Followed your advice and got myself a new pair of Creative SoundBlaster Jam V2 headphones. They are so light, love it. Will need to wrap headband as you said - they are quite hard. This is embarrassing for me to ask you. I am at a loss as to how to pair them with my EQ800 which are already paired to Minelab ML80 phones. Before I ask any forum questions, I search and search, but can't find specific instructions to help me on this. Hoping that this won't waste your time too much.
First - do I need to unpair the ML80 phones by using Factory reset? Then, to pair the new CSB phones:
- turn on Eq800
- then turn on Creative phones and then press wireless button on side of Eq
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I must be driving you mad, I'm sorry. p.s. the Creative headphone manual really stinks. Many thanks if you are going to reply. Jane
You don't need to factory reset the 800 if you don't intend to use the ML80's again. Just keep them powered off and away from the 800 so they don't try to reconnect. With the detector powered on simply hold down the wireless button on the upper right side of the 800 control panel for greater than two seconds. The Nox will enter a mode where it is searching for either the WM08 or a BT headset. Then press the big multifunction button that comprises the entire outer portion of the right side earcup for 4 seconds and the Jam will enter paring mode. It should then eventually connect with the Equinox.
I see Bob answered while I was typing. Just to clarify, you can do a system reset as Bob stated as that will ensure you are starting at ground zero, but if you have custom programmed the Nox and don't want to re-do that, simply pressing and holding the Nox wireless button for 2 seconds should erase its memory of any other paired headphones and you should be able to pair as stated above. If the simple wireless "reset" doesn't work then definitely reset the Nox and reset the Jams and start over as Bob advised or better yet, just do what Bob said in the first place.
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On 3/15/2024 at 8:03 PM, F350Platinum said:
Today Chase came down for a "do your own thing" sort of hunt, we went to a permission of mine that almost guarantees at least something old.
It was fun as usual. Yep, nothing individually stunning but some decent brass to take home which makes it worth the trip. Thanks also for indulging me on the other site. It was a wild goose chase, and I think I got it out of my system, finally. I guess we are really just that good at eventually leaving our sites high and dry until the soil is turned over for next season. 🤣
Thanks again for the dig and coffee therapy.
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Sounds like a faulty power switch. Just call ML for a warranty ticket and let them sort it out. The ML80's which are re-branded clones of a model marketed by several Asian sellers of BT gear were known to have durability issues with the control switches and the USB charge connector breaking over time on some units probably due to manufacturing quality issues.
The red charge light is actually behaving normally per your description. It turns on during charging and turns off when fully charged. The blue light should only come on when you power on the phones to connect and will flash blue when connected to the detector. If the phones are in pairing mode, then the lights will alternate flashing blue and red. It's all spelled out on p. 56 and 57 of the manual. Since you can't get the blue light to come on when pressing the power switch, that switch is your likely culprit.
The good news is that, in the mean time, if you have wireless phones for your Legend, they should pair up with your Nox. You can also use the WM08 wireless receiver with any set of wired phones or earbuds that use a mini plug connector (including the ML 80's using the included audio cable).
There are also plenty of inexpensive APTX-LL compatible headphones that can be bought and used with both the Nox and Legend as well.
Creative makes a very light weight pair called the Jam V2's which are great for hot weather detecting. They're available on Amazon and elsewhere. Search the forum for other compatible Bluetooth APTX-LL phone recommendations.
Hope ML comes through for you. Good luck.
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3 hours ago, blackflag said:
Hoping that minelab will give us a better coil selection
Tall order, I wouldn't hold your breath.
Doubt it's going to be Minelab - they still can't meet M8 demand six plus months into accessory production and nearly a year and a half after M-core was released. They don't really seem to care about providing accessory coils, it almost seems like an unwanted distraction or afterthought for them. But hopefully they will outsource coil production licensing out to Coiltek like they did for the Equinox.
Even if Coiltek gets on board, though, getting them to produce something smaller than the M8 is doubtful because of demand. At a certain point, small DD style coils generally just enhance your ability to discern micro targets rather than actually improve separation in thick trash because high recovery speed dominates the equation. I'm not saying a smaller "Snake" like coil wouldn't help, because I know you've obviously had success using such a coil attached to other detectors. But in my experience, unless the objective is Micro gold, you really can't tease that much more out of thick trash by going smaller than the M8 with detectors that have high recovery speeds like M-core, Nox, Legend, and Deus 2. But I'm not here to argue that point.
The other hurdle you face is that most people will find the M8 to be sufficiently small enough to meet their needs. Coiltek or whoever makes more coils for M-Core will assess whether the demand will be sufficient to warrant a smaller coil for M-Core. There is probably a good reason why ML didn't bother with making a 6" Round Coil for Manticore like they did for the Nox. They probably figured based on Nox 6" and tge extremely popular 10x5" coil sales figures, that the demand sweet spot for coil footprint falls somewhere between those two coils, which is exactly where the 5.5x8" M8 coil lies. That's no coincidence.
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8 hours ago, DSMITH said:
Hey Steve if interested I could send you my ORX remote so you could use it as a temp-let and then just send it back to me when finished, i am not getting in much detecting rite now so it would not be an issue to loan it to you, then just send it back when finished with what you need from it.
It's already in the works so stay tuned.
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2 hours ago, midalake said:
The only machine I have experience on is the D2 with 100 scale. I HATE it. Throws gold and pull tabs all over the place. My Equinox makes calling tabs 100% easier. Almost impossible to skip any tabs with the D2.
Dave,
So you're saying rings never ID as Tabs on the Equinox? That is, you can confidently skip whatever ID is associated with a tab on the Nox simply because its repeatable?
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3 hours ago, cudamark said:
For instance, a 29 (clad U.S. quarter) on an 800 is a 89 on a 900.....but, if it now reads 83 or 93 on a 900, are you going to pass it up just because it's an odd number? Not me! I love the "non-coin" numbers. I've found some of my most interesting relics and jewelry with those.
I loved all the improvements that ML incorporated into the 900 vs. the 800. My only knocks on the 900 were the TIDs being a little jumpy (even compared to a Manticore) and I found it a little too EMI sensitive which negated the benefit of the new universal deep pitch audio (a feature I had been wishing for since the first days of getting my hands on a Nox 800 and its gold modes with pitch audio) because it was excessively chirpy. Both of those 900 issues stood out to me more because before I got my hands on the 900, I had been spoiled with a year of swinging the Deus 2 and its extraordinarily rock solid TIDs even with a "99" scale (though D2 does have some TID scale issues of its own) and superior EMI handling under equivalent field conditions. Had I simply had the Nox 800 as my reference point, these 900 issues would not be as stark to me. I was really rooting for the 900 because I wanted it to be the new home for my Coiltek 10x5 coil. I later decided to go ahead and take a chance on the Manticore and that pretty much sealed the deal for my 900 collecting dust. But of course, we are talking about a detector that costs hundreds more than the 900. TBH, while I do consider the Manticore to be the superior detector, I am not sure it is really $650US "better" than the 900 with its two coils in the kit. So the 900 is definitely the better value.
But getting back on point regarding Target IDs, I am right there with you on high conductor TIDs. No way am I leaving something ringing up close to 90 high or low in the ground, I don't need to verify its a dime vs. a quarter or even a copper cent. It's not like I'm going to walk over that signal because its likely a dime vs. quarter. I'm with ya.
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6 hours ago, phrunt said:
I've learnt to live with the higher range of the Manticore, although it's 0 to 99 and also has the 2D charting to give more information on the targets and seems more stable than the 900, the earlier Manticore firmware was also more unstable on ID's for me than the more recent update, The 900 has -19 to 99 so even more and no 2D chart and perhaps why so many complaints are about ID stability on the 900.
You are correct in your observation of Manticore TID stability vs. the Nox 900 but it is not because the ID scales are different (not that you were necessarily making that direct assertion, Simon). It is mostly due to different Multi-IQ (Nox) vs. Multi-IQ+ (M-core) target processing, especially ferrous with the 2D ferrous limit processing. And I'm glad you and GB pointed out the nuanced difference between the Nox 900 and M-core scales. But the difference is purely related to how ferrous IDs are displayed. The Nox 900 TID scale does not actually have more TIDs than the M-Core. In fact it is quite the opposite.
Note that for non-ferrous targets, both Manticore and Equinox actually use the same 99 point scale. And in single frequency, the Manticore will display non-falsing ferrous as limited to 0 to 19 with a ferrous indication (red or red underlined numbers) which is effectively identical to the Nox 900 0 to -19 scale for ferrous in both Single and Multi-IQ.
But in M-Core's Multi-IQ+ implementation, ferrous can show up as any ID (0 to 99) but with a ferrous indication (red digits or underline) if Manticore interprets the target as wholly or partially falling within the upper and/or lower (2D) ferrous limits. This is a very powerful implementation and enhancement over the Nox but is also often misinterpreted by experienced Nox users (but who are new to M-core) as "falsing" because iron can show up with the "high" TID numbers (and tones if the ferrous target "smear" touches the centerline) but with the less noticeable red underlines, until the option to use red digits was added in the last update.
Anyway, I just wanted to emphasize that the non-ferrous TID scales between the Nox 900 and the Manticore have the same non-ferrous scale range and resolution. This is in reaction to your "even more" comment regarding the Nox 900 IDs. In fact, since ferrous can correctly ID anywhere from 0 to 99 on the M-core, it's like a -99 to +99 TID, so M-Core actually qualifies as the "even more" TID detector over the Nox 900: 199 possible M-Core TIDs vs. 119 for Nox 900. So it has more in common with Steve's favored Whites +95 to -95 TID scale but with the added tonal and visual target information facilitated by Target Trace. FWIW.
At least that's how I "think" it works. M-core experts feel free to correct any misperceptions I have.
These Minelab centric TID posts probably fit well in Phrunt's TID chart thread...
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32 minutes ago, CarsonChris said:
If someone can let Garrett know that larger people have a fitment issue they might adjust the cuff size?
You can contact them directly and leave a comment/message in the text box on this page. I'm sure they would welcome the feedback and they will take it seriously.
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On 3/12/2024 at 8:02 AM, Mark Gillespie said:
They will fix the discrimination algorithms if they feel it needs to be adjusted. I found a bug on the Eurotek Pro during the pre-release stage that was almost identical to the Deus. I kind of liked how it worked but 1st Texas made adjustments prior to production.
On 3/12/2024 at 8:15 AM, UKD2User said:Either by accident or on purpose!
My impression is that software configuration management is not their strongest suit 😁
FWIW - XP did finally fix how the discrimination algorithms work with Full Tones and Iron Volume for all base programs and added an alternative "silencer" filter (a form of iron bias filtering on the Deus) in Update 1.0. Update 1.1 enabled the user to select either the legacy or updated silencer filter dependent on selecting the appropriate base program. The Tekkna program as demonstrated by Gary Black uses the updated silencer filter (although at its minimum setting) by utilizing Factory Program 3 as the base program. If users want to use Tekkna with less aggressive silencer filtering they can use Base Program 2 and set the Silencer accordingly as well as also selecting full tones audio. XP did not make any obvious adjustments to the discrimination or silencer algorithms with the latest 2.0 updates.
Honestly, it's not clear to me that anything really needs to be addressed or fixed with respect to discrimination beyond what XP has already done. I don't think Tekkna is expoiting a flaw in D2 discrimination processong.
The poke above at XP regarding their sloppy software configuration control processes is warranted. They never seem to internalize lessons learned from prior update snafus.
The following is not directed at anyone who I quoted earlier in this post...it's just a separate reflection on some of the responses in this thread...
People commenting/complaining in this thread about the Gary Black Tekkna custom program because it uses the Program 3 silencer or because disc is set too high for your local desirable target IDs have me scratching my head. If you think that silencer filter is too aggressive, you can then just simply build Tekkna around Program 2 or similar. In fact it makes sense to experiment to make the program work for your specific situation instead of simply condemning it as "useless". If you think the disc is too high for some of your desirable targets, then lower it. There are plenty of options. And frankly, because of the dynamic audio, I can see where it may not be a good fit for some people - not everyone's cup of tea. Full disclosure, I have tried it, but Relic really just works best for me, personally. I have ot programmed in as a "target interrogation" program option to ID falsing iron if my other Relic iron tells are inconclusive.
I get the distinct feeling people go out of their way to shoot down something that has been objectively demonstrated to work well for some users, like the OP. There is nothing about Tekkna that tells me that discrimination implementation on the Deus 2 is flawed.
I will make this final observation, it is really easy to throw stones and say something doesn't work because there is no burden of proof for such criticism. You simply have to show up and proclaim it as fact and state you couldn't find anything. It's a whole different matter to put yourself out there to be subjected to such criticism by sharing your positive experience with a custom program or group of settings and back it up with actual finds.
I don't understand the negativity displayed against people trying to share tips with the forum. I have found that those who consistently criticize such posts, the manufacturers, or specific detectors or who constantly bring negative energy to the forum often have a track record of NOT contributing or sharing useful information to the community. Just an observation.
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Deus 2 Version 2.00 May Have A Bug - Affects At Least Relic Program
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What TNSS is saying is that if you have Relic set up to give you a pure iron signal in the nail/nickel/swing configuration shown (as expected when you swing down the barrell of the nail) and then you transition to any other program (other than Gold Field) and then return to relic, you will get intermittent non-ferrous audio and TIDs (that don't correspond to the nickel TID, they look to be in the high 80's when I was able to catch a glimpse of the screen). Indicating that perhaps IAR has been altered which may be causing iron falsing or some other unknown bug/issue.
Anyway, despite several attempts with the same setup, I have not been able to replicate TNSS's "bug" at all. Not even close. I can make blips occur with certain coil edge manipulations (even without transitioning out of Relic) but with a normal swing down the barrel of the nail, solid iron tone and ID no matter how many transitions out of relic or other non-relic program adjustments I do.
Maybe he has a coil issue or a buggy install. Though Jeff's statement that TNSS has seen this on previous versions, indicates it may not be unique to ver 2.00, pointing again to perhaps a TNSS unique hardware or configuration issue.
I don't have the "issue" and really am not losing sleep over it, regardless based on my tests and hundreds of successful hours on v 2.0 Relic Program (yes, it's my "Go To" program). And I do a lot of target interrogation which has me frequently transition out of relic.
I would be interested to know if anyone else has been able to replicate it (other than the one or two folks who commented on his channel who said they saw it too). I'm actually kind of surprised by people just taking these findings (mine included) at face value as gospel rather than proving to themselves whether they are present for their specific setups based on how simple the test is to set up and run. Especially since they may manifest differently for different combinations of equipment and targets.
Without additional replication by other D2 experienced folks, I'm attributing this something unique with TNSS's gear.
Whatever the case, TNSS has done the right thing and has passed this on to XP to sort out and address, if necessary. XP has not acknowledged an issue but they are looking into it at TNSS's request.