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    Any and all metal detecting; geology of gold
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    Fisher Gold Bug Pro, White's TDI/SPP, Minelab X-Terra 705

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  1. https://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/programs/devils-canyon/ Tom B., is this the show you auditioned for last year?
  2. If advice/wisdom of metal detecting had to summed up in one sentence, this is probably that sentence. I should frame it and put it on my wall, then read it every day. Those three phrases sounds simple, yet you could write an entire book on each (and I guess some have tried) and still not cover them sufficiently. It sounds and looks so simple, kind of like swinging a weed-eater. How hard can it be? Go over a valuable, get a good signal, and dig it up. Soon you'll be supplementing your income with a weekend hobby! Likely this is why detectors get bought after the intoxicating advertising, and then put on the shelf or sold after a couple outings. How long does it take to get good at shooting a basketball? Hitting a stationary golf ball? Playing a musical instrument? Looks pretty easy watching a pro do it effortlessly. Well, come back in a lifetime and tell me the answer then.
  3. Yep, got that, and thanks again. That was quite a long thread (like some here ) with a lot of good info. I've always been the 'doubting Thomas' type, which explains my choice of careers. I've also occasionally been burned accepting things at face value, but I'm sure that's true of everyone whose lived more than a few years. I want to accept that the F70 is every bit as good as the F75 Ltd because that means I can save lots of $, whether buying new or used. But I guess my skeptical eye also spills over to second guessing. E.g. I buy the F70/Patriot and when I'm not finding as much as I wish, I wonder if the Boost Process would have been the solution. This is what the marketers want, of course, and thus the several hundred dollar additional cost. (As you know and have stated here, there are a few other differences, such as manual ground balance on all 75's, so it's not just the Boost and Cache Processes that differentiate.) The flipside is that I spend the extra money for the F75 Ltd (or T2 black), never see any advantage in using those additional functions, and say "why didn't I just get the F70?" As life's challenges go, this is pretty insignificant.
  4. That is an interesting thread at treasurenet that you linked to, Steve. But (as we all know), anything posted on the internet needs to be looked over with a skeptical eye. Did you see this one? (emphasis mine): "Just a few minuets ago I heard the door alarm go off, it was Fed-X delivering my upgraded F75 LTD Upgraded. Total time including shipping over tehe weekend was 1 week. Great service. It came in a new box saying Fisher 75 years edition edition but with a sticker that said DST,FA, 4 levels of FE tone, Adjustable audio Pitch. Nowhere does it say LTD or limited Edition. I did notice that it has a different serial number and had a Kellyco sticker on it than the one I sent in. Now as soon as the weather warms up I can test it out. I talked to Fisher today and they said that they change the S/N and clean it and send the same detector back." So if I'm reading correctly, he sent his detector to Fisher and a week later got the same detector back, but with a Kellyco sticker and a different serial number sticker. First Texas is in El Paso, TX, and Kellyco is somewhere in Florida (I think). FT doesn't do their own repairs (and Kellyco is lightening-fast reparing/upgrading FT products)? And who is this 'they' who said 'they' did the work? Here's another (not complete, I cut and pasted) which is tantalizing, but how true is it? "I got the F70...no DST." (cut out a lot of details on his experiences hunting in the Southeast US and in Kansas) "You don't need boost, you don't need DST, you don't need to turn that F75 to extremely high levels to get deep and find great things in this state, you just need to understand how things work here, a new language and some special target behavior and use a tool that is capable of teaching you that language...and you have one. Learn to understand it and the sky is the limit....trust me, I know." So he has an F70 but we're supposed to trust him that boost process and DST (on an F75) aren't needed. Hmmm. Maybe, but I'd rather hear it from someone with lots of experience with both detectors.
  5. Thanks, Steve. Yes, I knew from lots of web browsing over the last year that this was a complicated issue, and it sounds even more complicated than I realized. It also has me wondering how much different all these models and sub-models (including F70 and Patriot) really are. When Dave says "...you'll never be left wondering..." if you buy an F70, it makes me wonder! Is he just saying all that extra cost, details in their advertising, etc. isn't worth the price difference? Heck, he was the lead engineer (I think) and he still works for First Texas. Another thing I'm confused about is the Digital Shielding Technology (DST). I thought with the new models (the ones with that feature) that it could be turned off. But from what lots of people are saying maybe that isn't the case. Also I would have thought you could get an upgrade if you paid for it (as opposed to some "limited offer to upgrade" for free), but that sure doesn't appear to be true, either. I'm still not ready to make the leap, but as Mike Wolfe of History Channel's American Pickers says: "The time to buy is when you see it." He's talking about 'rare' antique finds, but IMO that applies to used items which you find under-priced. I understand the risks (like no warranty and possibly getting something that isn't as advertised), but I get sort of a thrill out of a 'used find' like all of us get a thrill out of treasure finds. Having said that, the more educated one is about the product you're buying, the less likely to screw up and pay for something you didn't want. I've learned that the hard way (more than once...) and it's always a risk. Often I'm just willing to take that risk, but I appreciate the warnings from all here on this site.
  6. Both the F75 and T2 have suped up 'black' versions which have processes called 'boost' and 'cache' that their basic versions don't have. Sometimes they used 'limited' and 'special edition' to distinguish these, but I don't think those always go hand-in-hand. Nominally the basic F75 has a gold colored upper shaft while the T2's equivalent is green. But has that always been the case? I.e. if a unit has a black shaft (and of course if someone hasn't simply swapped it in for a colored one), does that unit have boost+cache processes? The reason I ask is for potentially buying a used one (e.g. on Ebay). A lot of times it's easier to just figure out from a picture what a seller has than trying to get an answer out of him/her. Often the seller doesn't know what s/he has. I've seen on more than one occasion where a question tipped off a seller that s/he had a more valuable unit than thought, with the result being the item being pulled and later mysteriously relisted with a higher asking (or starting in the case of auction) price. I realize I could e-mail First Texas, but on the one hand they don't make a dime if I buy used, and the one time I wrote them with a question (about if a detector could be damaged getting close to a strong magnetic field) it took several days for a person (turned out to be a sales person) to answer, and even that was terse and, IMO, not sufficiently detailed. Besides, often readers & posters here know as much or more on technical issues than 95% of the people who work at these companies!
  7. Hey, I recognize one thing in his picture that I've also found. Maybe I'm not doing so badly after all.
  8. One thing I've wondered about is variation among (nominally) identical devices. Hypothetically suppose I buy 10 of the same coil from different dealers (so maybe different run batches). How consistent will their performances be? You can ask the same question about the rest of the test instrument -- I.e. the detector control box hardware. I know from reading Dave J.'s posts that coils that aren't made to work on a particular model will sometimes work on some specific units and not on others. This tells me there is at least some variation in hardware. It's likely that the manufacturers have done these tests, or similar, but I don't know that they 'publish' their results.
  9. There are a couple (likely unsubstantiated) stats I've heard: 1) There are more coins in the ground than currently in circulation. 2) Less than 20% of the gold near the earth's surface has been recovered. (This one is even more vague--what does "near the surface" mean?) The easy pickin's have already been found in "the good old days". But better detectors and better hunting techniques can still pull finds out that those lucky hunters missed. Also, the values of collectible coins, silver, and gold (and probably the rarer relics) have gone up since those glory days (although some of that has been eaten up by inflation). A more interesting stat would be to know how many individuals who have bought a detector have recovered more than its cost with it. For me, it's not about the value recovered (although that is nice) but the thrill of both finding AND learning. I'd rather spend a weekend hunting and finding one common date Roosie than a bag full of clad. But that's me, and I'm not judging someone who prefers the opposite. Motivations are different.
  10. And to add one more to-do to Jason's post (inspired by that picture) -- hire Canadian TV personality Red Green as your spokesperson.
  11. I get about $1.33 of gold and a total of $0.67 for the rest, so $2.00. But it's not like they are just sitting there in pure form. Converting them back to that might cost more than what you get out of it. These articles never seem to mention that. Reminds me of the mining the asteroid idea. They tell you what the raw, pure metals are worth in today's prices (as if flooding the market with an asteroid's spoils wouldn't drive down the prices!) but worse, they fail to mention how much it would cost to get those precious metals from a chunk of rock in orbit around the sun into a bank vault on the surface of the earth (also orbiting the sun, but not the same orbit, etc.).
  12. Mark, a while back you said you were using the TDI/SL in cinder-loaded ground and had to run the delay up to 16 us. You'd trade that capability for a VLF? (Or do you have more than one TDI?) I have both TDI/SPP and XTerra 705 and both are good detectors but one is a dog and the other a cat! They can't be compared, IMO. On top of that, although I haven't used the prospecting side of the XTerra much at all, the reason is that it is very different than the discriminator side. The Fisher Gold Bug Pro has two sides but they are a lot more alike -- sister and brother -- than the two sides of the XTerra. At least that is my experience. Can you at least try out the XTerra and see if it handles your ground before you give up something that apparently works in that environment?
  13. Of course you are right. The reality is some companies can't afford to set up their own service centers around the globe, and asking customers to send products overseas for repair would likely be a nightmare. If I were in Nokta/Makro's shoes (or Minelab's for that matter), what would I do? They apparently don't have a lot of options in the US, maybe only one.... I'm with a lot of you -- wanting Nok/Mak to succeed, not only because they are a company that makes products I use, but particularly because they have been so enthusiastic in a) listening to customers, and b) cranking out products (quickly!) that fit the customers' needs. Oh, and there's that 'communication' issue discussed in this thread that they appear to be pretty darn good at. So if my comments can be interpreted to be a diss of them, I made a mistake and apologize. Reality is that in some ways the US companies (e.g. Whites, First Texas, Garrett) have an advantage when it comes to servicing detectors owned by US customers. That makes it more likely their products will be bought here than from non-US competition, if all other things (especially performance of the actual devices) were equal. I suppose they have similar problems/challenges when it comes to servicing their products sold in other countries, too.
  14. That has been my concern about Nok/Mak from early on -- if you have a problem (in the US) with your detector you have to deal with a whale of a company (Kellyco) that, among other things, sells Long Range Locators (LRL's). The latter points to 3 things: 1) LRL's work as advertised. 2) The company selling them is dishonest. 3) The company selling them is incompetent. Carl has $25,000 saying it isn't #1. Who's putting up the $ for #2 and #3?
  15. Does the TDI Pro model (AFAIK, currently out of production) fit the requirements? I know some people feel that just upping the battery voltage on the TDI/SL will deliver more sensitivity, but I wonder if that is enough to even bring it up to the level of the TDI Pro.