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  1. He's going to need isolation and decontamination when he returns. I hope he can stay with Scott this winter.
  2. Hey Paul, I don't see a check for a WA woman. Maybe your preferences have been modified, you never know
  3. All I know is one of the videos, testing the various Deus functions, showed a significant depth loss by adding too much silencer. I have only used mine for gold prospecting, but I always adjust to 0 just in case. My own testing has been relatively sparse using the 9" HF coil on gold nuggets.
  4. As Steve and others have pointed out, the GM is really a turn on and go. Obviously, it's fully capable of finding small gold. The XP Deus has a multitude of adjustments that I'm just now learning, but I'm quite confident it will keep up with the GM in the hands of a knowledgeable user, especially after the new elliptical coil arrives. I just don't think it will be the machine for a casual user who doesn't take the time to learn its various and, at first glance, complicated options. My testing a couple weeks ago with a .25 gram nugget really opened my eyes to the Deus possibilities. Way more performance tweeks to be explored. Naturally, I've got my share of confirmation bias since I already own the Deus and really want to believe in it. It's not my primary detector, but I'm anxious to work with those tweeks and squeeze some more performance out of it. It's all in what you want out of your secondary detector. Ease of use, pick it up and go with confidence that you're getting a good share of the detectable small gold, then the GM is the answer. If you're like me and need to fiddle with stuff thinking you're improving your odds, then the machine with more user control options makes sense. The key selling point for me was the packability of the Deus. I want to collapse that machine and stick it in my backpack just in case I run into small gold terrain while running my main machine the GPZ.
  5. What's the good word on NursePaul in OZ? You didn't use him for Croc bait did you? Post some pictures of all the gold he has recovered from your secret spots.
  6. It is an expensive piece of equipment for sure. Although I haven't put the stock "Goldfield" program through its paces, in my limited use I was not particularly impressed and other than complete wireless operation, it wouldn't have any particular advantage over the existing gold detectors. I really like the idea of the wireless master controller and its "expert" menus. After some more study on the issue of Discrimination and Notch, I'm leaning towards the 4 tone program, with negative Discrimination then extreme low tones, one for ferrous and another for hot rocks. A much higher "sweet" tone for everything else. I'm anxious to try it out, but I'll have to wait till I get up there. I think those 120 degree temps in Yuma will decidedly temper my enthusiasm for VLF detecting in the desert Southwest.
  7. I've been bored on my dog sitting endeavor, so I've studied up on the Deus, and looked at a history of used sales. At least in the near term, it doesn't look like the Deus will be available in a strictly High Frequency model. So you're stuck buying the whole kit and then adding the HF coil. Retail for the whole kit is $1520.00 and then another $400.00 for the HF coil. The $1520.00 kit includes the wireless backphones and the main controller. The "puck" on the backphones can be removed and used as a standalone controller, albeit without the "expert" menus. Personally, I see no need for the backphones, the main wireless controller is really all you need and has all the "expert" menus. I've looked at buying the components individually, but you still end up paying dearly. The controller retails for $800.00, used ones on Ebay are roughly $500.00. The original (non HF) black 9" coil, retails for close to $500.00, used ones sell in the range of $300.00. The backphones retail for over $300.00, used ones sell for $200.00. A used Deus kit with backphone and controller sells for somewhere between $1000.00 and $1200.00, not very many are available though and they get snapped up quick. Rob at Rob's Detectors has a very lightly used one for sale at a good price, you'd have to check with him on actual price and shipping. So, if you assembled a Deus HF detector from components at retail, you'd spend roughly $1500.00. If you bought used rod/shaft, and controller, with a new HF coil, you're looking at just over $1000.00. Or,you could buy the whole kit and sell off the components you don't need. Better still, you get the whole kit, add a new shaft/rod assembly and end up with two detectors, one equipped with the "puck", the other with the main controller. Just random thoughts from a bored dog sitter. I'm in S. Cal right now, but sunny Yuma by the Sea will see temps of 118 to 120 this week. I'll get home just in time the catch those max temps, sweet!
  8. I'm sure running the Reactivity up to 3 would have quieted the ground and on coin sized targets, you wouldn't be sacrificing much overall performance. It has been said that raising the Reactivity tends to shrink your coil coverage footprint. I don't know to what extent that occurs, but on tiny gold nuggets I'm looking to get all the performance I can out of a detector that was originally designed for coin, jewelry and relic hunting. My primary detector will always be the Z7000, but there are times when I would like to jump out and check some exposed bedrock or old tailings piles without the whole suiting up with the Zed. My other primary purpose for the Deus is to use it as a discriminating pinpointer when chasing deep targets with the Zed. This last year detecting in Baja involved far too much digging deep trash in hot weather. It really cuts down the number of productive detecting hours when you burn out on the first 5 or 6 deep holes. I found myself looking for reasons not to dig obviously deep targets. I guess my point is I'm looking at a better mousetrap, for some pretty narrow circumstances. The Deus is attractive to me because of its overall weight and collapsible enough to fit in my pack for 3/4 day hikes in rough terrain. And, if I ever get excited about coin/relic hunting I have the perfect machine for the job. I imagine once the Deus Elliptical coil comes out, we'll see some good comparisons and side by side testing by guys a whole lot smarter than me on this stuff.
  9. We had a cold snap in sunny Yuma, low 70's at sunup. Didn't reach 80 till nearly 9am. I took the Deus out for a little testing in an area we have absolutely hammered with every known detector. I didn't find any gold, but the Deus surprised me with some of its capabilities. Per our discussion on the Notch vs. Discrimination theory, I set up the machine for 3 tones, relying on tone discrimination rather than true Notch or Iron Discrimination. With the Deus software the first setpoint for Tone discrimination really becomes a null, so 3 tones becomes 2 tones. It's actually a little more complicated than that, but won't help us for this discussion. So, I set the first actual audio tone, (2nd notch) for iron ID of between 0 and 20, and made it as low an audio tone as was possible. The next Tone breakpoint takes over from an ID of 20, where the last one left off, and all out way out to the end of range in the '90s. That tone is our sweet tone, you can set it at any level your hearing prefers. During my previous outings over undug targets, gold ID'd in the mid '50s. If you recall my first outing with the new HF coil, I was underwhelmed with the audio. Over a test nugget at the time, I missed the dynamic "zip" audio of the Gold Bug II. I thought the Deus audio somewhat anemic at the time. That all changed for me today. Using the remote to access the menu functions, I upped the audio response to 6 from the preset of 4. Wow, what a difference. So much difference that the machine got a little "chattery" in some of the hotter ground. But I live by "chattery" using the Z7000, so I just went with it. I found half a dozen shotgun pellets that just screamed dig me, showing a VID between 55 and 60, the same as gold. I buried a .25 gram nugget in some of the hottest ground I could find. The machine clipped and chirped, but at about 5 inches, the audio over the nugget was bright and crisp. No mistaking that audio, everything I thought I missed about the GBII audio, was alive and well in the Deus. Over the same test nugget and same hot ground I played with the other settings. I was running Sens at 85 and upped it to 90. While the target sound was somewhat brighter, the resulting feedback from the ground would have negated it for practical use in the field. Steve H would find a way to run this machine maxed out, but for me less was better. Raising the Reactivity helped quiet the "chatteryness", but I wanted to run the machine as wide open as possible. I settled on a Reactivity of 2. I then played with the Discrimination over the same nugget in the same hole. I ran it from negative 6, to positive 10. I found no benefit in this ground to running max negative Discrim, but a sweet spot seemed to be around negative 3. The more positive discrimination above +6 starts to give the test nugget at 5 inch depth, a breaking audio, alternating from the Iron tone to a true gold tone. No bueno for real life field prospecting, although it would be enough to make you stop and investigate. The Deus has a separate control for Iron volume, but that is disabled when running negative Discrimination. So, my current working theory is running Discrimination at +1, setting the iron volume at 1, then using the (Low)Tone feature to handle the rest of ordinary Iron problems out to an ID of 20. I tried the Deus standard Goldfield Program over the same ground. It just didn't do it for me so I left off without really giving it a true workout. Maybe it works, but I wanted to fiddle with all the other features of this machine. I'm off to ranch sit, taking care of horses and dogs for the next week or so. No more moments of clarity with the Deus till I make up to CA gold country. I might make it out for some beach detecting, so who knows. Until then, keep er low and slow.
  10. Awesome stuff Rick, I bet you wished you had some of your world famous "redneck eggrolls" as a treat for Rudy's outstanding effort. Bravo Zulu to all you boys
  11. Steve, I see your point on using a specific tone assigned to typical goldfield trash rather than true discrimination. Running zero or even negative discrimination then setting the range of typical goldfield ferrous trash to the lowest tolerable tone, gold and other non-ferrous come in at a user preference higher pitch tone. Sounds good in theory. A great place to try it would be that hydraulic pit we hiked summer before last. Hopefully we see the new elliptical coil before I leave for N. CA. My trip has been delayed for a couple weeks. I should be up that way by the end of June now.
  12. I know this topic has appeared off and on over the years, but I'd like to better understanding on the theory and principle of using one over the other, ie. depth, and target id and what compromises do I induce. The reason I ask is the new V4 for XP Deus has the ability to set a minus discrimination. It kills the ability to use the "horseshoe" screen for ferrous target ID, but VID numbers are tolerable. What theoretically happens if I set a negative discrimination, but use Notch to handle ordinary ferrous trash?
  13. Hey Norv, He's hard to understand under the best of circumstances, even for us. He comes from a part of the country where they have people who are their own uncle.
  14. In retrospect, Steve should probably close this topic. I don't think any good can come from a topic about "bashing" Minelab, it goes against the grain of this forum. Keep it real, keep it current and keep it tasteful. I want to read real world tests without some preconceived notion of the adverse outcome. My bad!
  15. I just read one report by an Aussie dissatisfied customer. What a surprise. We heard the same things about the initial release of the SDC 2300 and the GPZ 7000. As I recall our moderator took a fair amount of bashing from his reviews of the previous machines as well. For Pete's sake, it's a VLF and in OZ it cannot hope to equal pulse induction in hot ground, nor does it claim to. It's an entry level machine ostensibly targeting the African gold rush. Its price point and turn on and go features have a place. As Steve as said time and again, when considering VLF, there really are no groundbreaking technology innovations available for this platform other than ergonomics and simplicity of use. I've tried my hand at VLFs over the years and I liked the Gold Bug II for a very narrow purpose, small, shallow gold in relatively quiet ground. I sold it in favor of the Deus. I don't think the Deus, at least the 54Khz 9" round, is better than or even equal to the GBII for that purpose, but it is more versatile and I'm sticking with it. Get ready for the Minelab bashing to begin.