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  1. I want to make it clear right off the bat that the info below are only based on observations an I am in no way an expert. I am going by info from the respective websites and to some small extent reviews I have read. Nothing I'm noting is based on personal use as I have not had any of these detectors in my hand. My reason for doing this is that for my own purposes it has helped me clear up in my own mind between between the several different detectors made by these 2 companies. For some of you I am sure this info will be of no help but maybe for someone new on the block it might be useful. Makro and Nokta are both based in Istanbul Turkey. Some say they are the same company and that could be so but I looked up the address of each and they are in a different Zip Code in Istanbul so at least they do have separate offices and separate websites: Makro: http://www.makrodetector.com/ Nokta: http://noktadetectors.com/index.asp The primary detectors from Nokta I am interested in is the Fors Core, Fors Relic, Fors Gold, Fors Gold plus, and the AU Gold Finder. The products from Makro I am interested in is the Makro Racer, the Makro Racer 2 and Makro Gold. Differences: 1. Display; The Nokta Fors models (Core, Relic, gold and gold plus) all have 2 displays. One on the side and a smaller one on the shaft. The small display on the front/shaft is a visual aid displaying the ID number, depth and battery condition. The display on the side is where you set up the detector. Some feel this set up is inconvenient. 2. Weight: The Nokta Fors models are heavier than the Makro at almost 4 lbs compared to 3 lbs including batteries. 3. Frequency: The Nokta AU Gold and Makro Gold Racer both operate at 56Khz so many would consider them dedicated gold machines either likely able to fine very small bit of Gold. The Nokta Fors Core runs at 15khz, as does the Nokta Fors Gold. However the newer Fors Gold plus runs at 19khz as does the new Fors Relic. The Makro Racer and Racer 2 both run at 14Khz. Just going by the specs of each the AU Gold Finder or the Gold Racer would be equally good as a dedicated machine as they both seem to be loaded with all the goodies just comes down to what you like looking at, knobs or a display? I would think if you like simplicity the AU Gold Finder would be for you but if you feel the need for a digital display then go with Gold Racer. But do your due diligence and do some of your own research before making up your mind. As to a gold detector that can be used for Coins Relic and the beach from these 2 companies leaves us with the Makro Racer 2, the Fors Core, Fors Gold, Fors Gold plus and Fors Relic. Personally speaking, and just going by specs alone, of the detectors for primary use as a gold detector I lean toward the Fors gold plus at 19 khz. If my intent were first a Relic hunter maybe the Fors Relic as it also offers the 19Khz freq but it's program is slightly biased toward relic hunting. The Makro Racer 2 though is hard to leave out of the race with it's lighter weight, front digital display and all the discrimination bells and whistles of the Fors machines. So for now I well research a bit more to decide which and if any of this companies detectors I will put on my short list. Terry