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GPZ 19 Coil & Other Matters

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Hi guys, As a lot of you will be aware the New 19" Zed coil has been getting a bit of a bashing on some forums. Namely in Australia where the coil has been out for a bit of time now. Not only that, but personal attacks on one person in particular. Jonathan Porter. A person who many of us have a lot of respect for & a person who has shared much over the years that has benefited us all in our pursuit of detecting for gold. I know he has personally helped me immensely over the years both with his unselfish sharing of what he has learnt by not only posting up on forums but in his videos & personal emails & products.  It is all very well & good to voice an opinion on a product, good or bad. If bad then hopefully the bad has some credibility to it & that the manufacturers sit up & take notice. But when that bad is directed to an individual, & continues to be directed to that individual in a relentless barrage then it is no wonder that that person clams up & goes silent. As has happened in the past.
For the benefit of you guys in the States that maybe dont frequent the Aussie forums, I put up this link.   http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t24682-gpz-19-coil-and-other-matters
 
Best of luck out there
 
JW :smile:
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One thing about the knockers they are consistent in their comments, every new ML product, but also very consistently are proven totally wrong with time. Tis very depressing to me as we are running out of OZ companies, and to see one that leads the world by light years when it comes to gold detectors, yet their critics are OZ not only depressing they are insulting every OZ. 

I have proven on another OZ 4M this "hate" of Minelab just rubs off on anyone who publically defends Minelab. The main thing is as you have done JW we acknowledge JPs public courageous frankness and bat with him openly.

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Yes, stand up for the right!  I rarely post on the Oz forum but when I see the dogs attacking the wolf I have to jump in...not that JP is unable to take care of his self...

from thousands of miles away, we got your back, Jonathan.

fred

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I read the remarks in the link above. Jonathan Porter is an advocate whose reputation, experience and knowledge is impossible to dispute. His public stance is always clear and open. The thread has been provided with positive evidence both visual and experiential of the new coil's effectiveness so it makes the rudeness, suspicion and cynicism on display especially off-putting and sad.

 

 

 

 

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Yeah unfortuently these Aussie forums demand truth and proof and when you give them proof they just dismiss it anyway.  They are taking constructive criticism to a whole new level and the hard part is most of them are running around with Minelabs in their hands.  JP has given us ways to use our Z's and with his new conservative settings for the Z19 really having an impact these haters should just suck it up a try, it's only been out for 2 months anyway and who has put enough hours on it yet to say otherwise.

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Good on JP for not giving up, I would have.

If you were to come on the internet looking for info on the 19" coil all you would read about is the opinions of the overly loud minority.  Most people I know agree with JP but dont even bother replying there as its not worth the accusations of conspiracy theories that will start flying around.

 

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Hi Fred, It was your posting on the Aussie forum that got me to put that link up on here. I dont want to appear have my head up JP's backside but I know a lot of you guys will have the same respect for Jonathan & all he has contributed to detecting over the years as I & many others have. Jonathan will know that there is a lot of respect & support for him out there but nice for him to be reminded amongst the flak. So hopefully he will stick around & not go silent as has happened in the past. Negativity does have the effect to wear you down so thanks guys for standing up & showing him your support in your comments & feedback.

Happy hunting

JW  

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Hi Steve, Thanks to you too, for all your contributions to the detecting world over the years & for your heavy handed approach on any thing negative. It makes this forum rock & a great place to be with like minded people.

Best of luck out there

JW

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Nothing wrong with being a Minelab dealer or representative, . JP has contributed so much to help shorten our learning curve and  get us out and to find gold with confidence. He is not just another salesman, he worked his way ground up by becoming a successful nuggethunter and now an entrepreneur. I say good for him,  and wish him much success.

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As the author of a 'bashing a coil cover thread' I must say that I would not let such a rant touch upon JP or any of the other Minelab developers and innovators here or in Australia.  Their focus has been on using the technology to maximum advantage and I am a great beneficiary of their efforts.  The 7000 has provided me with more pleasure than any detector I've owned and other Minelab products have provided me and my wife even more.

Brand loyalty takes many forms for different products from automobiles, computers, headphones, cameras, etc., etc.  When someone bashes for purposes that don't suggest a benefit to the brand then they are a quite blind and stupid lot.  They should just spend their money and promote the brand of their choosing and leave the 'bashing' of other products to someone who wants to make those products better.  (They should also thank Minelab for making them so mad as to use their product to prove Minelab inept.  Many will make great finds with their equipment just to prove Minelab wrong!)

Good luck to those bashers as I don't want to read them.  Steve's forum is enough for me on such details.  I am hopelessly immersed in Minelab jargon from JP and others and hope to continue for many years.

There are times to express frustration as I did but as Norvic has said ... time has proven the technology.  Unfortunately this will NEVER win the day in a brand loyalty contest.

Mitchel

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Proof is in the the post I posted yesterday, JP's advice helped me . By the way if you's read the link JW put on I was in the same area as JP's test ground !  Didn't know that 😏 But have had so luck .

Reguards 

Squizz

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The following is what l replied to JP but before this l would like to add.

I could not understand why a certain individual keep attacking JP with such venom. However it appears to me over the last week or so that individual's intent has become so clear to those capable of reading between the lines. If anyone follows or reads the other forums on a regular basis sarting with his attacks on JP and the 19 inch coil and then read all his posts including his replies on the other forums and arrange his posts by time posted you will see a lot of contradictions and denials of vested interest by that individual. That individual has now miraculously become a Official tester for a certain detector even though he claimed to not know those involved in it or the members of a certain forum actively supporting it. So l urge you all to read the posts on the other forums and read between the lines and make you own mind up as to who you believe has the most interigity. My choice is JP and now my reply to JP which l posted on 4umer.

Good post JP look fwd to the vid

Regardless of whether you are a Minelab Tester  and some will say a vested interest. (If you ever offered to swap lifestyles with someone,  there would be a stampede and a queue from one end of the country to the other  of people willing to jump at the chance of trading places.)

I have also listened and taken note of your advice re detecting methods, setups and methods to suit various Minelab Detectors and can say the advice you give is fairly spot on with only a few tweeks here and their to suit different conditions.  

I actually now look back with amusement at the release of the 7000 and the disapointment of some early purchasers who were ready to rip it to bits. Yes it had some teething problems but once sorted with ferite and upgrade those same early doubters now reckon it is the best detector ever made. You stated early that the Zed was something special as far as detectors go and you were spot on.  

So regardless of what a minority say you have over the years in one way or another directly or indirectly helped nearly everyone who swings a detector whether they realise it or not. So who cares whether you have a vested interest or not you advice has benifited many.

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There is a difference between critical thinking and bashing. People often label anything but roses and sunshine as "bashing". Saying a skid plate is not designed properly based on using that same skid plate is not bashing, it is an observation based on use.

Bashing is just mindless negative commentary for no real reason other than to be negative, usually with some sort of agenda.

I really like critical thinkers. They help make the world a better place. Bashers and negative people are a different breed. They try to pull themselves up by pulling others down. At minimum they are the ones who create a problem for every solution. They are the ones who make an excuse for why gold can't be found before even trying.

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JW - good thread to make others aware of what JP has to put up with.

JP - keep up the good work. Your information has been invaluable to me - and obviously heaps of others  

Steve - only a newbie-ish to detecting and the forum but it's addictive. You run a very informative and welcoming ship.  Thanks.  

mn90403 - "I am hopelessly immersed in Minelab jargon from JP and others and hope to continue for many years".  Love it!!  Very well put :smile:

Bed time here in Oz.  Goodnight :sleep:

Cya, Northeast. 

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