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has anyone played around with silencer much? Whenever I switch reactivity you know that the silencer changes with it and I usually then adjust silencer to 0 but I SHOULD try silencer where the reactivity says to... but I don't. Has anyone played around with it much to see what effects it has?
thanks for all the great posts.
OK, after all the kind words and get well wishes from my incautious adventuring on Outing IV, I went back out in the wilds of Sunny Yuma. Stitches out, hand still sore, groin injury tolerable. I left for the local Colorado River area on Wed afternoon to catch a few sundown largemouth bass with plans to hike what passes for mountains down here on Thur morning. Bass fishing was great, but I just couldn't get comfortable in a kayak with a bum knee and aching hamstring. I persevered and caught a couple nice bass. I slept on the boat, not the kayak mind you, and started hiking at sunup. I set the Deus HF up a little bit different thinking there would be no trash. I used the standard "Fast" program but added "negative" Discrimination available in the V4 update, Sens at 85, Freq 54, Reactivity 2. Right away I hit a couple ferrous trash targets that easily registered between 2 and 4 on the VID. Both modern type nails but the VID was spot on. Next I hit an old .22 shell casing with a VID of 74. I then hit the first nugget, the smallest of the two. It showed a solid VID of 58 and weighs .28 gram. Great start for the morning. I then hit a few more ferrous targets registering in the 2 to 4 VID and I didn't bother to dig. Next came the bigger nugget just shy of 1 gram. It was probably 4 to 6 inches deep and showed a solid VID of 55. When I rounded the next bend in the wash I found a small section of old drywash tailings up on the shoulder of the wash. Full of 1950's era trash, nails, screws and wire, apparently the source of the trash in the wash. One thing fooled me though, a deep tobacco tin registering in the high 60's and mid 70's on the VID. By then 2 hrs on, it was getting hot, mid 80's temps and I had a long walk back. I decided to take a short-cut, over the top of the mountains. Rarely a good idea, especially with an already bum knee and sore hamstring. Nevertheless I packed the Deus in my pack and broke out the trekking poles for the hike. I ended up finding a decent Mountain Sheep trail that wound me through the hills and out to within a 1/2 mile of my destination. When I got home and unpacked my gear I realized that I am a "Maroon" (Nurse Paul/Nevada Chris saying) and had left the Deus Control Unit and Earphones laying on a rock ledge while I packed the pack for the trek back. So tomorrow I'm headed back out there, although I think I'll take the GPZ 7000 and look for some deeper nuggets.
I think I'm really getting the hang of this Deus. There is no threshold and over hot ground it clips and chirps. I'm sure that would affect depth ultimately, but it does what is expected for discriminating the ferrous trash. I think, although I can't be certain, the "negative" Discrimination makes the targets much more reactive on the VID screen. The "Horseshoe" screen was useless at these settings, however the VID was quite helpful. This machine is not bump sensitive and weighs next to nothing, after dragging that Z around, no kidding. I'm sure the Minelab Monster is going to be a great unit, but I'm sticking with this Deus. It's ultimately packable and reasonably forgiving on its settings. A great addition for the kind of detecting I do.
Until the next time kids, Condor out.
I've been bored on my dog sitting endeavor, so I've studied up on the Deus, and looked at a history of used sales. At least in the near term, it doesn't look like the Deus will be available in a strictly High Frequency model. So you're stuck buying the whole kit and then adding the HF coil. Retail for the whole kit is $1520.00 and then another $400.00 for the HF coil. The $1520.00 kit includes the wireless backphones and the main controller. The "puck" on the backphones can be removed and used as a standalone controller, albeit without the "expert" menus. Personally, I see no need for the backphones, the main wireless controller is really all you need and has all the "expert" menus. I've looked at buying the components individually, but you still end up paying dearly. The controller retails for $800.00, used ones on Ebay are roughly $500.00. The original (non HF) black 9" coil, retails for close to $500.00, used ones sell in the range of $300.00. The backphones retail for over $300.00, used ones sell for $200.00. A used Deus kit with backphone and controller sells for somewhere between $1000.00 and $1200.00, not very many are available though and they get snapped up quick. Rob at Rob's Detectors has a very lightly used one for sale at a good price, you'd have to check with him on actual price and shipping.
So, if you assembled a Deus HF detector from components at retail, you'd spend roughly $1500.00. If you bought used rod/shaft, and controller, with a new HF coil, you're looking at just over $1000.00. Or,you could buy the whole kit and sell off the components you don't need. Better still, you get the whole kit, add a new shaft/rod assembly and end up with two detectors, one equipped with the "puck", the other with the main controller.
Just random thoughts from a bored dog sitter. I'm in S. Cal right now, but sunny Yuma by the Sea will see temps of 118 to 120 this week. I'll get home just in time the catch those max temps, sweet!
We had a cold snap in sunny Yuma, low 70's at sunup. Didn't reach 80 till nearly 9am. I took the Deus out for a little testing in an area we have absolutely hammered with every known detector. I didn't find any gold, but the Deus surprised me with some of its capabilities.
Per our discussion on the Notch vs. Discrimination theory, I set up the machine for 3 tones, relying on tone discrimination rather than true Notch or Iron Discrimination. With the Deus software the first setpoint for Tone discrimination really becomes a null, so 3 tones becomes 2 tones. It's actually a little more complicated than that, but won't help us for this discussion. So, I set the first actual audio tone, (2nd notch) for iron ID of between 0 and 20, and made it as low an audio tone as was possible. The next Tone breakpoint takes over from an ID of 20, where the last one left off, and all out way out to the end of range in the '90s. That tone is our sweet tone, you can set it at any level your hearing prefers. During my previous outings over undug targets, gold ID'd in the mid '50s.
If you recall my first outing with the new HF coil, I was underwhelmed with the audio. Over a test nugget at the time, I missed the dynamic "zip" audio of the Gold Bug II. I thought the Deus audio somewhat anemic at the time. That all changed for me today. Using the remote to access the menu functions, I upped the audio response to 6 from the preset of 4. Wow, what a difference. So much difference that the machine got a little "chattery" in some of the hotter ground. But I live by "chattery" using the Z7000, so I just went with it. I found half a dozen shotgun pellets that just screamed dig me, showing a VID between 55 and 60, the same as gold. I buried a .25 gram nugget in some of the hottest ground I could find. The machine clipped and chirped, but at about 5 inches, the audio over the nugget was bright and crisp. No mistaking that audio, everything I thought I missed about the GBII audio, was alive and well in the Deus.
Over the same test nugget and same hot ground I played with the other settings. I was running Sens at 85 and upped it to 90. While the target sound was somewhat brighter, the resulting feedback from the ground would have negated it for practical use in the field. Steve H would find a way to run this machine maxed out, but for me less was better.
Raising the Reactivity helped quiet the "chatteryness", but I wanted to run the machine as wide open as possible. I settled on a Reactivity of 2.
I then played with the Discrimination over the same nugget in the same hole. I ran it from negative 6, to positive 10. I found no benefit in this ground to running max negative Discrim, but a sweet spot seemed to be around negative 3. The more positive discrimination above +6 starts to give the test nugget at 5 inch depth, a breaking audio, alternating from the Iron tone to a true gold tone. No bueno for real life field prospecting, although it would be enough to make you stop and investigate. The Deus has a separate control for Iron volume, but that is disabled when running negative Discrimination. So, my current working theory is running Discrimination at +1, setting the iron volume at 1, then using the (Low)Tone feature to handle the rest of ordinary Iron problems out to an ID of 20.
I tried the Deus standard Goldfield Program over the same ground. It just didn't do it for me so I left off without really giving it a true workout. Maybe it works, but I wanted to fiddle with all the other features of this machine.
I'm off to ranch sit, taking care of horses and dogs for the next week or so. No more moments of clarity with the Deus till I make up to CA gold country. I might make it out for some beach detecting, so who knows.
Until then, keep er low and slow.
Received my MI-6 pinpointer today.
A few comments.
I have tested and used a little bit.
Nice addition I feel to anyone operating a Deus unit.
Will benefit both Deus lite package users as well as packages containing the remote unit.
The pinpointer if a person has the remote, will have no problem knowing if the pinpointer is switched on or off just by glancing at the remote, not so with Deus lite package ( looking at headphone module).
Unit easily pairs to actual Deus unit.
Notice I said Deus Lite package above (no remote).
This brings up a good question for dealers here, and I will be posting this actual thread on another forum where actual dealers sponsor.
For good reason too.
Folks who opt to purchase Deus lite package, if I am correct there, if a dealer will use an "in house" remote and pair the pinpointer for Deus lite purchaser,,the pinpointer can in fact be used in an actual interface fashion.
And with drop shipping, yes this could be a problem. But I think if a person looks around, maybe they can find a dealer with items in stock at dealership.
I do have a question for Craig (detecting Mo).
If the pointer is paired using the remote of course for say a person who has Deus Lite unit, later on after this has transpired,,can the Deus lite owner operator,, can they actually unpair the pinpointer intentionally or accidentally, making pairing void, hence since the person wouldn't have a remote to re pair,,they would be SOL.
Am I right here Craig with my thinking.
I like the belt clip and how it rotates.
I have played with the non interfaced option of using, still not ready to comment on it just yet.
Will say for folks buying pinpointer,,and if a person is thinking of later upgrading or buying a Deus unit,, you might want to go the MI-6 route,, and yes it can be used it seems at least to the satisfactory level with any Vlf detector.
More to come maybe.