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beatup    267

WTG  Steve looks like you will be packing the Dues with you from now on.

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jasong    678

Nice, almost busting into the subgrain range. Elliptical should be killer then too.

How variable are the gold VDI's?

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Condor    464

Jasong,

When I can get a good VDI, they range from mid 40 to mid 50's at 54KHZ. The tiny nuggets produce a good clear tone, but they will hardly register a VDI.  I didn't show the backsides of a couple nuggets.  Clearly specimen type nuggets.

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deathray    404

Way to go. Keep the reports coming! Someday I may have a day off,haha

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strick    799

Throw the ring in the tumbler...thanks for the report on the Deus...

strick

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LuckyLundy    668

WTG!

Rick

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