Early Minelab Testers Question??

[Norm S]

I have been on many detecting forums and this is this best forum I have been on. Everyone on this forum is here to share info, ask questions or just plain learn from it. I don't recall reading anything negative other than the problems with the Equinox release and many including myself have been upset with their dealers due to no fault of the dealer because he can't ship what he don't have. 

Most posts on here tell stuff in layman's terms so everyone can understand it.

This is the most comprehensive Equinox forum on the internet in my eyes. 

[LowTide]

I wouldn’t characterize an NDA as a gag order.  It is more akin to an employment contract at a professional level.  Let’s say you work for Company A and part of your contract holds you to not divulging proprietary info if you leave and go to work for Company B.  So it is not an adversarial relationship unless you run afoul of the NDA, and then it can become adversarial.  In the high tech industry you can see some issues arise when one company poaches a key employee from another company and they happen to compete with one another product wise.  Lawsuits in those instances are not uncommon.

Most of the NDA’s do not have sunset provisions in them so they are in perpetuity.  But when you sign an NDA the assumption is that you have read it several times and understand the implications of signing it.  And it is not a gag order imposed by the company to prevent your favorite guru from providing information.  They had their big boy pants on when they signed the NDA and knew what they were getting themselves in to.  

I have been involved with the early stage development of detectors for a couple of companies who shall remain anonymous.  And a warning to those who think it would be “fun”.  It is not “fun” but indeed a great deal of work and time, so be careful of what you wish for.  You are not being paid and even if they offer you a detector in the end it will in no way cover the time and effort you have put forth.  It would be merely a token of appreciation.  And yes I have taken part in developing detectors of which I have never touched a finished product.  I have only seen them on line in photos and videos.  And the icing on the cake is to be called a shill.

Now in the instance of the Equinox if the powers to be decided Steve H was one of their Prospecting specialists then they may send him a prototype that has the Prospecting mode software in it, and ask him to test it.  If after feedback they decide to make a change then he gets to test it again.  But there’s no guarantee that the other modes software is working or complete.  So after release if someone ask’s Steve about Deep Turf hunting he may not have a good handle on that facet of the detector.

 

[Dubious]

LowTide, hadn't thought of it in that business perspective.  It's interesting that Minelab (and other metal detector makers) apparently are able to get people to perform this testing-of-products-while-in-development service for free. Can't think of any other industry where that happens, and shows the enthusiasm for the sport.

[Northeast]

Give 

7 hours ago, Dubious said:

Can't think of any other industry where that happens

Give me a V8 commodore and free range of Mt Panorama at Bathurst and I’ll do as much gratis testing as Holden would allow  

I think it is not that people would not test things for other industries for free, it is that they aren’t given the opportunity. 

 

[Steve Herschbach]

It happens more than you think. Fishing poles and golf clubs. My business partner it was boats! What person passionate about anything would not like a chance to better improve the products they themselves use?

[Equinox DetExpert]

On 3/13/2018 at 12:47 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

Good gosh, there are many people who are better detectorists than I am! Seriously, I am no wizard. I basically cheat by putting in huge hours, talking about the good days, and forgetting to mention the bad!  Good photographers don’t take perfect pictures every time. They take a zillion pictures and toss all but the best ten. That’s my secret to successful detecting. Hours, lots of them.

I like to think of myself as a student of metal detecting. The day I can’t learn from others is the day I die. A person simply asking a question I don’t know the answer to triggers my learning process. I don’t have all the answers - I just chase them down when people ask, and then we both learn something. My favorite line at work... “I don’t know, but I will find out and get back to you.” Pretty grand when you think about it. So thank you all - you help me in more ways than you know.

I have to say I've come here many times as a guest reading information and stuff and I have now signed up to the forum to be able to talk to all y'all because this is the most knowledgeable group of detectorist/ #equinox users I have ever seen and for anyone to say that the equinox is easily replaced in the detecting game is foolish this is the best all-around detector available on the market today. Can't wait to see what Minelab has in-store for the future. I saw Steve's post last night. The one about him having ADHD and how he's come to find himself and how he uses it to his advantage. How he takes a in society considered negative and turns it into a positive and uses it to his advantage is in a testament to his intellect and knowledge and how he's grown not only as a detectorist but as a person. Much love from here Steve. 

[Equinox DetExpert]

2 minutes ago, Equinox DetExpert said:

I have to say I've come here many times as a guest reading information and stuff and I have now signed up to the forum to be able to talk to all y'all because this is the most knowledgeable group of detectorist/ #equinox users I have ever seen and for anyone to say that the equinox is easily replaced in the detecting game is foolish this is the best all-around detector available on the market today. Can't wait to see what Minelab has in-store for the future. I saw Steve's post last night. The one about him having ADHD and how he's come to find himself and how he uses it to his advantage. How he takes a in society considered negative and turns it into a positive and uses it to his advantage is in a testament to his intellect and knowledge and how he's grown not only as a detectorist but as a person. Much love from here Steve. 

Mr. Steve I'd love to be able to take conversations from the forum obviously with your and whomever quotes I'd use permission and be able to write a rather stacked book of information to have people have this information at the ready. I to wanna help people with metal detecting. Especially newcomers to the Eqx series

[Steve Herschbach]

1 hour ago, Equinox DetExpert said:

Mr. Steve I'd love to be able to take conversations from the forum obviously with your and whomever quotes I'd use permission and be able to write a rather stacked book of information to have people have this information at the ready. I to wanna help people with metal detecting. Especially newcomers to the Eqx series

Thanks for the very kind comments. I appreciate your desire to create a document, but simply compiling quotes from the forum is probably not the best way to approach it. The content here is copyrighted for a reason, and I request that copyright is honored. It applies on all content on the forum, and in my case specifically I want my writing firmly under my own control. I am constantly editing and updating the content. I certainly can't give permission for anyone to use others posts in any way. That is up to each individual. I specifically do not release any of my writing into the public domain, and request that it not be copied or used elsewhere.

 Anyone can read and learn, and then restate things in their own words. I think that is always the best approach. You learn things well enough to internalize them, and then put your own spin on it.

Again, thank you for the very kind comment. I'm just another person at the end of the day, doing my thing. Everyone I meet is special, and the world is full of people that amaze me. I'm sure you are one of them, so do have a great day!

[Equinox DetExpert]

4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Thanks for the very kind comments. I appreciate your desire to create a document, but simply compiling quotes from the forum is probably not the best way to approach it. The content here is copyrighted for a reason, and I request that copyright is honored. It applies on all content on the forum, and in my case specifically I want my writing firmly under my own control. I am constantly editing and updating the content. I certainly can't give permission for anyone to use others posts in any way. That is up to each individual.

 Anyone can read and learn, and then restate things in their own words. I think that is always the best approach. You learn things well enough to internalize them, and then put your own spin on it.

Again, thank you for the very kind comment. I'm just another person at the end of the day, doing my thing. Everyone I meet is special, and the world is full of people that amaze me. I'm sure you are one of them, so do have a great day!

no Mr Steve thank you and I believe you best said it is people can read and rewrite in their own words the way they perceive the writings and get the gist out of it. but thank you in more ways than you can ever imagine for creating this forum as I said I was a guest for a lot of readings and stuff and it just didn't feel right and sit with me right to be a guest when I felt like I should be weighing in on the subjects and not only that because I've learned so much from you in the form in the process I appreciate everything that you do here on the forums and all the content you write and I'm just now finishing up last night's post from you and it's very intriguing thank you. As I myself have adult ADHD. Diagnosed and medications were prescribed. Adderall 30 mg four times a day. 2 years after this I had to quit because I felt like a zombie walking around. Now that I metal detect and only have been for a few years. It just is a testimony that anyone who " suffers " from ADHD or something similar can be successful at anything they put their minds to. and it's funny because we can process things a lot faster than most people can especially audio nuances and things that keep our mind busy it's like our minds overloading you know but our mind doesn't overload that's the good thing about it we just keep wanting to do more and more and process it and process it and you makes you hungry for learning everything that detectors telling you and that's why I run my detector hot as well people say that's so much noise it's making how can you hear anything else just making noise no it's telling me everything from emi disturbances to, iron falsing, to ground conditions, to Target responses, to in the way Target responses are in different ground conditions, to the way two good targets under the coil simultaneously sound verses one good with one bad and the way the Detector responds audible and how it processes the information and then assigns a visual identification number as well. I feel like if I was medicated I'd lack a lot of my skills as a detectorist and this keeps me on the go go go even more because thats all I want is to be successful at what I do. I feel like if them wheels aren't turning and burning like that well then #1) my Detector wouldn't be able to process the information, #2) I wouldn't be able to process the information and hear the tonal nuances in the way I do as my Medicated brain would be acting like it was in a dense fog or more like a steady downpour of rain on a tin roof. I'm talking flood gates 🤣. I just wouldn't be able to communicate as I do and know intimately everything my Equinox is telling me. And I still have lots to learn but I'm on the right track and sometimes you don't realize something that plagued you in school you were taught Medication was the right thing to do and to have a perfect society and to be successful you had to listen to the Doctor's and they so much wanted to label everything about every individual that makes people different individuals and not the same ( which they still want to do )..... I learned something when my teacher is the one whom had me go in front of the psychiatrist and be diagnosed ADHD in the first place and it was more so because I learned faster than everyone else. I was that kid who put his hand up to Answer questions everytime the class was asked something or practicing for a test. The teacher didn't like that and I guess she felt like my IQ was making it he rest of the class look bad and therefore herself as I'm being a capable teacher. So I took some of her confidence away if not that then IDK why she diagnosed me ADHD before the doctor saw me to my mother. I picked up on everything. I was sharp and am still.  But I now realize that same " sickness " makes me listen, feel and most of all process everything on another level. Thank you God for ADHD..... and I'm grateful people like me and Steve can finally see it is a gift and not a curse if you don't let it be.....

[Equinox DetExpert]

5 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Thanks for the very kind comments. I appreciate your desire to create a document, but simply compiling quotes from the forum is probably not the best way to approach it. The content here is copyrighted for a reason, and I request that copyright is honored. It applies on all content on the forum, and in my case specifically I want my writing firmly under my own control. I am constantly editing and updating the content. I certainly can't give permission for anyone to use others posts in any way. That is up to each individual. I specifically do not release any of my writing into the public domain, and request that it not be copied or used elsewhere.

 Anyone can read and learn, and then restate things in their own words. I think that is always the best approach. You learn things well enough to internalize them, and then put your own spin on it.

Again, thank you for the very kind comment. I'm just another person at the end of the day, doing my thing. Everyone I meet is special, and the world is full of people that amaze me. I'm sure you are one of them, so do have a great day!

Thank you sir. I would certainly love to think I am one of them amazing people whom amaze you. Your intellect and knowledge is impeccable and the way you can captivate your audience in simple writing makes me believe if ya had a YouTube channel wow how many people you could truly bless and bring to our beautiful hobby is astronomically huge numbers in my head. I would like to also think that I to am a rather skilled writer and teacher. Because at the end of the day that's all I'm aiming for. Not recognition but validation that I just helped someone become a better detectorist or just simply put even just learn to perform a G.B properly on the Equinox or inspire them to think outside the box and step out of their comfort zone and try something new without being deterred because of frustration and experiment with different search modes for example using park 2 in beach as there is some advantages in using different search modes for different applications and sometimes stepping out of the "Norm" will not only be gratifying to them once they learn to utilize this but also very rewarding. And in turn I myself am rewarded because I get to see the my teachings come to fruition through people who learn by my step by step teachings and this is what I feel I will be doing soon and just like I'm sure it is gratifying to see your subscribers such as myself and others learn, grow, utilize your teachings and therefore reaping the rewards of them?...... Btw my recent finds in America on some of your settings posted here on forum. 1807 Draped bust half, 1856 seated dime and half dime and war of 1812 US button. This one permission was exhilarating and validates I'm getting exceedingly better..... Finds of a lifetime here in America