TedinVT Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Interesting discussion. I use the ML80 phones, going on 2 plus months now, 4 weeks on the FL beach and the rest on dry land in VT, and haven't really noticed any lag with my older ears?. Not to say others wouldn't notice a lag. The ML80 phones did get hot on the beach in the sun and did a nice job of keeping the surrounding sounds out. They do seem to be well built and I think they'll hold up pretty well. How about construction of the ArchMage phones? Any comments on fit and finish, quality of sound, robust construction, ear comfort, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingElf Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 The ArchMage SoundClean 9's are very well made, and fit large heads (like mine) well. Sound quality is excellent, and the fit and finish is on par with much more expensive headphones. They are comfortable to wear, but as I stated in my opening post, in the heat you will sweat and the pads should be cleaned after use to avoid deterioration. Very happy with them...just not for detecting due to my sensitivity to any lag. Frank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffydog33 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I get zero lag on my ML headphones..never missed a target...actually sold the wireless module on ebay as it was not needed. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Againstmywill Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 9 hours ago, SittingElf said: The ArchMage headphones controls are well located, and they work well, but are not raised and palpable without knowing exactly where they are while wearing the headphones. Not that big a deal, but raised buttons would have been a better design. Try a dot of hot glue on the buttons to make them easier to "see" with your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveg Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 16 hours ago, SittingElf said: Nope, because I had those MPOW supposed LL headphones that were definitely not, and would not pair to the "+". They had serious 100ms lag. The ArchMages were clearly LL capable and immediately paired with the 600 with LL "+". BIG difference in the lag, but for me, still discernable. BTW...shouldn't you be in bed??!! You're on nights right now, right?? Frank Ha -- you nailed it, Elf! I went to bed right after you posted that! ? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiftaaft Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Late to the party, but I agree with noticing the lag. I have tried aftermarket and the minelab LL, and there is enough of a lag that I went back to wired. I blame my swing speed. Using LL, I hear the targets, and then can narrow and slow my swing speed to get the target location... so I wouldn't say it causes me to miss a target... it just takes me longer to pinpoint it for extraction. So my preference is the immediate feedback of wired phones. Now, when there is an option to hear my pinpointer in my LL phones, I might have a reason to put up with the latency. ;) Tim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkgt Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 It is interesting that some have an issue with true LL and others are satisfied without it. I clearly notice lag without (+) sign LL devices but not with the ML supplied HPs or my Levn M78 LL Earbuds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Just slow down the swing speed a bit once you have a target to examine and the 40ms delay should not be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingElf Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 16 hours ago, Dubious said: Just slow down the swing speed a bit once you have a target to examine and the 40ms delay should not be an issue. That is exactly the problem. The EQ can have a relatively fast swing speed when using wired headphones or speaker. Having to slow swing speed using 40MS headphones defeats the high speed capability of the detector. That may not matter to most, but it does to me, because that is one of the best features of the Equinox. Allows for covering more area quicker when there is no lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Goldman Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It would matter to me if I had to slow down my swing but haven't had to with the APTXLL phones and the diffrence between APTXLL and WiMax (the 20 mS of the WM08 receiver) is not discernable to me APTX is borderline. Anything wireless with more lag than APTX (and even some supposed ATPX phones with excessive lag) does not work for me. Elf I realize now that you have been using your wired phones since day 1 with the 600 until you finally got the Arc Mage phones. So your ear may have gotten finely tuned to the Equinox NO LAG wired response. Would be interested in what you find once you get your 800 and the ML APTX phones AND the WM08 module to see what you thing. Another possiblity is that the lag on the third party APTX phones is on the high end of the spec, but the spec only ranges from 30 to 40 mS. What I do know is that once I got my wired WP phones for the Equinox (the first time I ever plugged wired phones into the Equinox) that it was not noticeable to me that the wired phones had no latency vs. the APTXLL phones I normally use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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