True, I haven't been nugget detecting since 1993 and am going down to Arizona in the fall to meet up with some friends for a week of nugget detecting. Was looking at the 4500 also but wondering just how often I would get a chance to use it. Thought maybe ar least with the atx I could use it at the beach but have a CTX for that also so no big deal I guess.lol. I am also waiting on the elliptical coil for the Deus also. The 4500 have a lot better performance?