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7 minutes ago, phrunt said:

I'm the first to admit I'm not great at finding faint signals in a threshold, I guess that's what excited me about the QED.  I can run it silent only making sound when there is a target like my Gold Monster.

But like Northeast said, that could just be that you have it tuned to the point that those sounds aren't breaking through the threshold, & you are missing them because of running a "silent" threshold. I feel very uncomfortable running no threshold. The Gold Monster made me very uncomfortable, being so use to having a background hum to compare any variation in it that signaled a target response. As we know, any hiccup in that threshold has been caused for a reason & needs investigating. That is where the importance of getting a smooth even threshold within what you are comfortable with is so important. Some can handle a ratty threshold, caused by ground noise & having the detector running hot, & still recognise a target response in the background comotion. I am now one of those, but it didn't happen overnight. Depends on your head space & your own mental ground balance :laugh:. Personally I think you need to run a threshold. It gives you a background canvas to work with in regards to any fluctuations. Does that make sense? Probably not:rolleyes: Time out in the field "fiddling" will get you to the Zen point.?

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5 minutes ago, kiwijw said:

. Personally I think you need to run a threshold. It gives you a background canvas to work with in regards to any fluctuations. Does that make sense?

Yes, it makes sense to me. I love the idea of running a detector with no threshold, BUT my experience has shown me that faint variations in an audible threshold can be very important…so much depends on the area, the EMI, the mineralization and the settings one is using. I always run some level of threshold.

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Time will tell if I need to run it with a threshold, the default setting is no threshold.  Just a few button presses and I have a threshold and it's easy to get it nice and smooth as it is so resistant to EMI.   What I've found so far like the Gold Monster even though it's silent if there is a tiny target on the edge of detection you get a little bit of a crackle noise.  I think good quality audio is vital on the QED as these little faint crackles are important to hear.  Headphones are probably best but I have an allergy to them so I'll be running my speaker setup ?

It's nice to see a civil discussion on the QED. I had trouble finding one of them when I was researching if I should get one. ?

 

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8 minutes ago, phrunt said:

Time will tell if I need to run it with a threshold, the default setting is no threshold. 

I guess that with a lot of us that are so use to running a threshold old habits die hard. The theory & concept of running a threshold as a comparison point on detector noise, ground noise, & signal noise are just too strong to run silent at the risk of missing something. It is all a fine balance to get that right tuning zen point. Again, we are so lucky with our insanely mild ground. At the end of the day it is what each individual is happy & confident & comfortable with. So for you if it is no threshold & that helps your mental ground balance then that has its own merits. I'm late for work now. :rolleyes:

JW ? 

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Phrunt 

 Value and enjoyment is important. If you bought a Gpz the need to justify the price might ruin the fun!  

As I have progressed in my nugget hunting endeavors my detectors progressed too.

My first nugget was found with the original gold bug which cost 400 bucks, more or less...several detectors And thirty years later I run a gpz, I loved them all.

 I think you are wise to only focus on what you want and need...opposing opinions be damned!

fred

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What does this QED cost out of curiosity? I checked their page out but didnt see a price. I didnt know they were for sale to the general public now, stopped paying attention to them a while back with all the quibbling regarding them.

Some threshold is usually a good idea, the only time I run zero or close to zero is in heavy salt conditions. I probably run my threshold lower than any fairly experienced person I've ever met in the field though and I do ok still. In my mind the perfect detector has no threshold, it only sounds off on a piece of gold, no emi or ground noise. So in the future hopefully we do have zero threshold detectors. 

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1 minute ago, jasong said:

What does this QED cost out of curiosity? I checked their page out but didnt see a price. I didnt know they were for sale to the general public now, stopped paying attention to them a while back with all the quibbling regarding them.

Here is the QED for sale, its a package deal with the 11" coil, this coil is meant to be very good on the QED from what I have read.

http://www.detech-metaldetectorsaustralia.com.au/qed-detech-complete-package

So about $1280 USD for the package including the coil.  I didn't get that as I didn't want the coil.

I agree Jason, I think the ultimate is a silent detector that just sounds off on a target but has the power to reveal targets as well as a threshold would be great.

 

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Interesting, thanks. That is a more reasonable price than I expected. Will be watching your reports on it.

Would be great to finally see an at least somewhat affordable detector that could compete with the GPX series if not exceed them. Both for new guys entering and that also looks like a nice lightweight prospecting machine for exploration if it can keep up, wonder if it gets nose heavy running bigger coils though?

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Simon,

Take the gold you have found and any other objects you like and make your own test garden.  

No detector sees everything either at depth or because of mass and sometimes size and shape.

Tell us what the QED sees easily and what it doesn't.

Mitchel

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Since a few people have breached the subject: 

I talked to a gentleman earlier in the year that was running the QED in Cal-Nevada grounds - he stated that in low mineral ground he thought the detector easily kept pace with the GPX for depth and SDC for sensitivity, with a bonus being the lightweight where he could cover ground quickly. He also said that the more mineralized the ground became, the less this was true, with high mineralization making it no more effective than the SD series, and some severe ground crippling it beyond use.

That's one users review stateside so take it for what you feel it's worth. I know if I were in an area with mild to fair ground, like Simon, I would certainly take a look at simply from a weight and ground coverage perspective. Everyone wants an easy-to-swing pulse machine instead of the existing tanks.

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