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It’s very nice that X Coil is getting a ton of free advertising via this forum but it appears I am the one getting the headache. :smile: I have been doing the best I can to keep a lid on the dumpster fire, but now I am getting messages accusing me of somehow being biased simply for hosting the discussion.

I was approached by the Russians early on but declined as it was easy for me to see it was going to be a can of worms. So I have no pony in this race. I think forum members deserve to hear all the pros and cons and I am not in a position to say who is right or who is wrong. My view is that I just try and keep it moderated as best I can and let forum members decide who and what they want to believe.

davgold as a dealer obviously has an interest in the coils looking good. JP has brought up some issues but it seems some have problems with him doing that or the way he is doing it. I have a personal friend who has a bricked GPZ due to his attempt to use an X Coil. It’s not the first I have heard of either. You could perhaps say that his fault but really he knows his stuff so I am more inclined to say that there are risks that are real here. I can see pros and cons and am very loathe to shut down any one side.

I am willing to keep trying my best to keep the ship on an even keel as long as the general forum members are learning anything of value. I am also just as willing to lock all the X Coil threads and ban new ones if people have had enough of it.

Lest anyone think I am upset that’s not the case. Typical tempest in a teapot with people thinking metal detecting is some kind of life and death thing. But new members joining to pick sides and send me messages trying to shut one or the other side down will not work so give that up. I am only interested in what the longer term members think on this particular issue.

I would like to here from longer term forum members that are involved in the threads to either give me some direction via this thread or PM me with their thoughts if that seems better. It may be that most people are fine and that would be good to know also. By most forum standards it’s pretty tame stuff but I am protective of the general forum membership and don’t want to assume I know what you all think. Thanks in advance for your help.

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A clean and tidy house welcomes all polite guests.

As soon as I heard Steve was starting a new forum I signed up. I was pretty sure it would be the kind of place I could go to speak my tiny mind and get the benefit of a wide range of insight and opinion - and that trolls would be as swiftly dispatched as my Norwegian wife’s 11 times great grandfather Eric Bloodaxe would have done (Ok, I don’t really know if Eric B was in her lineage, but I have had “hints”)

All kidding aside. The thin line between “forum Fuhrer” and forum anarchy is hard to thread, but my opinion is that Steve is better at it than anybody in “Detectordom”.

A willingness to let debate proceed while discouraging or suppressing personal attacks and outright slander is a form of moral and intellectual bravery.

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I just want the personal attacks to stop.  Stop being a tuff guy on a keyboard type crap. I enjoy seeing people doing good with them.  I like hearing what people say against them.  Vice versa.  Them being the object itself not attacking the person posting it.  If you do good thats great!  If you destroyed your machine please tell us that too.  This is a homemade brand coil, there are no guarantees.  Buyer should be aware, but informed as well based on other opinions and facts of use.  

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It's them damn Aussies! Let the threads continue but ban them damn Aussies!?

Seriously we need the info, the positives and the negatives so we can make our own decision. We don't need dirty laundry hung out, accusations of whatever, finger pointing and panty twisting...there's Finders forum for that if that floats your boat. 

EDIT: "davgold as a dealer obviously has an interest in the coils looking good."

Which should by no means be interpreted that Davsgold being a dealer is being deceitful. Lest we then go the step further and accuse all dealers of being deceitful.

 

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We are all aware of the risks so all info is good, whether it be good or bad.  Keep it as info only and leave the school yard stuff at school simple.

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I hope no one will be offended, but what passes for polite conversation on forums in Australia would likely got somebody shot in the Buckhorn Saloon (real place) in San Antonio TX in 1880.

I had long held that the level of politeness which was evident in the normal and even stressful discourse between folks in my native South Texas while I was growing up in the 1950’s was a relic of the incredible murder rate we suffered in the late 19th century. Samuel Colt may have given us the “equalizer”, but a lot of blood was spilled before folks learned that loose talk can lead to loose shots.

Now, we all have just our keyboards, but words can wound - in fact in extreme instances - they can do even worse.

Before you hit “submit reply” have a good look at your text.

When I don’t do that, I often find I have to edit my stuff several times - you will see evidence of that if you look.

 

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I only go online in the detector realm for two primary purposes: to keep track of what's new for technology and products that I might need, and to discuss and learn tips and techniques among experienced detectorists. I go where that discussion occurs, and that place is here.

I don't really care what people say to each other as long as it's not stuff like threats or racism, and I don't get affected by it personally, I just ignore what I don't feel like reading and move on if I don't want to get involved in something. At the same time though I appreciate Steve's dedication to order and keeping things on topic because it makes information very easy to find here compared to other places.

I personally find the X Coils threads useful, but I'm biased since I have coils on order and it's in my best interest to learn as much as I can.

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Steve,

This democracy of opinion stuff can get nasty.  I hate nasty as a means of expression as it seems someone has to take a 'side' and 'sides' are formed more from relationships (mostly bad) rather than discussing facts.  Facts become secondary and sides become primary. 

Some of the threads have gotten hotter than the Arizona summer.  Bias and self interest has raised its ugly head.  One of them I had to read and re-read the thread to 'get it' and then I know I'm not getting all of it because there are STRONG personal issues involved.  I'm already trying to ignore some threads but there might be a tidbit of info worth seeing.

When I feel like I'm in the middle of a he said, she said a he said, he said or a he did, they did then that thread becomes useless to me and I think others.  It is a fine line how to moderate that.  

Maybe there should be a formal way to IGNORE a thread and not just a poster. 

I've gotten a bit of great information from some of these threads and some of these testers.  I think it will help me find more gold even if I don't buy an X coil. 

There have been great and glowing reports from many users that I respect and some unfortunate happenings also.  I'm still on the fence if I need to order an Xcoil or wait for something else.  I would like to find more gold.  I'm leaning heavily on our American testers in this regard as they seem to have fewer horses in the race.  They are just looking for a good bet and so am I.  The positives seem to be more than the negatives at this point.  Let's encourage those types of threads that give reports.

Would I be able to pay for an X coil with my gold finds?  I don't know and probably don't think so.  Would I find some missed gold or unseen gold in my known patches?  I do think so.

I know one thing for sure I should be reading and researching more locations rather than reading the X coil sagas.

Mitchel

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Nah, didn't worry me at all and I know exactly what you mean but there is a misconception from a few quarters that dealers are liars just out to milk you of your hard earned. 

I worked for a dealer and was heavily involved in prospecting tours so suffered the same sort of crap.

One forum in particular if you are a dealer, were a dealer or had any involevment with ML you can't join...thier loss.

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