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Some people may see the need to ship the detector back every once in a while to get updates a disadvantage to it, I see it as a massive positive.  I know my detector will be upgraded and improved over the years for no cost other than some shipping, how rare is that in this world? At least 5 years of being able to have the latest model, and even if new hardware is required Howard does it at a discounted price, or in this current upgrade he's doing it for no charge! 

A detector that's constantly being improved.  Pretty impressive.  For those that don't want to ship it back they don't have to, it's still the same detector they purchased, or they could wait until an update they want badly enough is out and gather up the previous updates at the same time. 

Fortunately it's only the little control box that needs sent back, mine was 500 grams to send back and I packed it well in cardboard and plenty of bubble wrap which would be a good part of that weight.

I look forward to hearing more of your results Reg and JR and your views on the updates.  I hope to get some results myself soon, warmer better weather is going to kick in at some point soon and the ground defrost up in the hills of gold country 🙂

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I'm out of it for awhile Simon. Life now revolves around feeding cattle and drenching sheep.

Victoria already seems like months ago - but "I'll Be Back - - - " 

Hopefully picking up an 18" Detech co-planar in a couple of days, from Stinky Pete on his way back from Queensland 👍

 

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Well, you've got to leave some for everybody else I guess, no need to be greedy.

Every time I hear Stinky Pete's name I have a little laugh, the man must like his baked beans.

I only have one Detech coil and that's my Ultimate 13" VLF coil for my GBP, it's a great coil and one of my all time favourite coils, I am guessing the 18" Detech co-planar will be a treat to swing.

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18" coils have always been my favourites. 

Found a lot of deep gold with the old green "Dustbin Lid" and for many years, the red Coiltek 18" DD coupled to an SD2200, my current favourite is the Elite flat 18" and I'm certain next it will be the 18" Detech CC. 👌

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Unfortunately an 18" maybe over kill for me here, although I'm sure if the ground was easier to cover and access there would be gold for it to find, we aren't a big wide open area here, mountain after mountain, a majority of it never detected or even explored by foot I'm certain...  This goes from the bottom of the Island to the top, photo recently taken at the start of winter from my wife on take off on a plane on a trip to OZ.

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6 minutes ago, phrunt said:

Unfortunately an 18" maybe over kill for me here - - -

Indeed Simon.

Horses for courses -

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2 hours ago, phrunt said:

Unfortunately an 18" maybe over kill for me here, although I'm sure if the ground was easier to cover and access there would be gold for it to find, we aren't a big wide open area here, mountain after mountain, a majority of it never detected or even explored by foot I'm certain...  This goes from the bottom of the Island to the top, photo recently taken at the start of winter from my wife on take off on a plane on a trip to OZ.

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I dont know, the places here that the old timers got into looking for gold never stops amazing me. 

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I received my QED back after it's update today,  the manufacturer was very quick getting it back to me, a majority of it's time away was my fault as I accidentally selected the incorrect shipping method to get it over there, I thought $14 NZD seemed very cheap, it should of been about $20NZD... I blame the girl at the post shop as she was new :laugh:

There is a new design battery cover now too as mine came back with the new revision and my old one, Awesome.  The new one fits really snug, much tighter fit than the old one and is nicer to get on and off than the old one even thought it's tighter as it has nice edges to grip onto.  I like that it's got QED written on it too.

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Some people in the past had problems with their battery cover falling off sometimes, I really doubt that will happen with this new one.

As I was skiing today I didn't have a lot of time to test it out with it's new ground balance method along with the DD coil compatibility but I was desperate to give it a try so I took it out for a spin in the local area with a couple of test nuggets.

I took with me a tiny nugget which I left on the ground and a slightly bigger flat nugget that I buried, I thought the flat nugget would weigh more so it was the one I picked to bury leaving the other nugget sitting on the ground to wave over to test as I was messing with settings.

Steve H said some time ago I should test out the QED in our mild soils with ground balance disabled so that's exactly what I did today, I cranked the QED up to the highest gain, mode 11 (no ground balance).  And set the threshold to my preferred settings and filmed this short video.

From the results of this video I assume I can run the QED with ground balance disabled fine in our local soils.  I wasn't sure what I set the ground balance to in Mode 11 (NO GB Mode) so I set it to 1, 150 is default out of 300 I believe.  I first had it set to 1 as I was testing with the ground balance enabled in Mode 1 which is the QED's most sensitive Mode other than Mode 11 and I was able to run the QED fine without ground balancing when I turned it on so I kept lowering the ground balance numbers and testing and it went all the way down to 1 without any response from the soil.  This is what prompted me to try in the Mode 11 which was added as a beach mode initially.  Please correct me if I'm wrong with any of this.  I am guessing with Mode 11 the Ground balance numbers don't do anything?

I pumped the coil a bit to show I'm getting no feedback from the ground with GB disabled.

On the previous firmware beach mode was Mode 16 but as this new firmware handles soil types better they were able to drop the numbers of Modes to 1 to 10 for ground balanced modes and Mode 11 to No GB Beach mode.

This is the two test nuggets I used

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The buried nugget

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The ground nugget.

I am looking forward to testing it properly and connecting up my X-coil and NF Evo on it.  It's the first time I'd really given my Coiltek Joey 10x5" Mono a chance on it, it clearly worked well.

I'm very new on the QED so QEDspert's may find my settings not optimal.

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Very interested project you are working on " Phrunt " I am watching it closely and keep up the good work in testing the QED, we all can learn of your testing project . Want to thank you for all the work you put into it!

 

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I only own two DD GPX coils so I tried them both, the 11" Commander and 15x12" Commander, both worked fine on the new firmware version QED.  It seemed weird just putting the coil on and off I go, not having to flick a switch to tell the detector what coil is connected.

I was able to have my gain and mode set the same flat out settings as with the Mono's.

It appeared to be using the coil properly too, not just as a DD in mono mode.

I'm used to using small mono coils so there was a sensitivity drop on tiny gold, the bits like 0.0X of a gram now needed to almost touch the 15x12" coil, an inch at most, in saying that on my GPX with the DD coil I wasn't even able to detect these bits even touching the coil.

Once the bits got into the 0.X of a gram range depth increased quite well and a coin had crazy depth.  I'm thinking I may take the QED with the15x12" Commander to the football field I've been finding all the coins to see if I've missed any deep ones.  It's my biggest coil for the GPX.  It will be interesting to see if it can find anything the Equinox 15x12" missed.  I'll just have to be sure the area doesn't have too much junk first.

Also for those interested, I asked about the best thing to do with my QED seeing I'm able to run in some locations without any issues with running in No ground balance mode 11 (Beach mode) and Howard the manufacturer and Goldman responded with this information so it looks like I was on the right track.  It looks like with the new firmware the QED is going to be deadly on small gold in locations where I can get away with this, I look forward to testing in more locations, two so far work with no ground balance.  Here was their reply.

Well I’ve had a chat with Howard and together we believe that you would be better off running in beach mode given what you have written below. This would be for two main reasons:

1) you do get more depth in beach mode
2) in beach mode you do not have a detection hole, so therefore you will definitely not miss any gold. Not that the chance of missing gold in modes 1-10 is high as the detection hole with the latest upgrades has narrowed from the pre-upgrade model.

in beach mode,
1) all target responses will be rising pitch
2) you can and should still use the MGB to minimise any noise keeping MGB as low as possible. So best to start at MGB=150, then keep reducing until you get unwanted noise, then go up until quiet. If no noise at all, run at MGB=1.

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