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If you're hunting creeks, you cant go wrong with the sdc. 

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12 minutes ago, WesD said:

If you're hunting creeks, you cant go wrong with the sdc. 

 

Had one but  sold it because my modded gpx was finding what the sdc did only deeper with the Sadie coil. I mean it was good but never used it unfortunitly 

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Sounds like you had a good mod job.  Our sdc cleaned up behind  the 5000/sadie patches. Just as deep and smaller gold.  Sensitivity on 4 or 5, and the little ones sing out.

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1 hour ago, WesD said:

Sounds like you had a good mod job.  Our sdc cleaned up behind  the 5000/sadie patches. Just as deep and smaller gold.  Sensitivity on 4 or 5, and the little ones sing out.

Yea the sdc is an amazing MA Hine and don't get me wrong I found lots small stuff with it but side by side my gpx was defanitly hitting harder and deeper on smaller gold.. I had the max mods by  woodland in aussie and I could run it flat out in normal.. I'm defanitly regretting selling it hence my predicament now if I get a gpx5000 and mod it it will owe me as much as a gpz.. 

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The SDC is a great machine and has found me a lot of gold over the years. I mostly use it in washes and to screen vertical walls (breccia, etc..). The signal response is decent once you get used to the noisiness. I run sensitivity usually at 2, sometimes at 3, rarely higher. I also use Nenad's Steelphase which works great for the SDC and gives me about 20-30% more target ID's.  Pinpointing is easy, thanks to the 8 in round coil (just lift up and tilt). I also like to hike a lot to remote places, so having a detector that folds and fits into my backpack is great. The weight balance is not ideal and I end up using a bungee fairly quickly. Regarding the Zed, I still love this machine, even with the 14 inch that everybody seems to hate. I think more coil options would be beneficial, but I hesitate to believe that just switching coils (like on the GPX) is always leading to the same optimal ZVT performance overall. I am aware that ML is heavily criticized here, and I don't want to comment on that. However, I do believe they do have great engineers and I would hesitate to trust aftermarket solutions that may or may  not be aligned with the overall engineering concept of the machine. Once ML comes up with something  I will buy into it, not before. That is just my personal preference. Like I would never trust aftermarket tuning of a car to get 100 more HP if that would not be balanced with the rest of the engineering. The Zed still finds me gold after all.

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Well, I can tell you now the GPZ with 10" X-coil isn't far off running something like a Gold Monster, but with more depth from what I've witnessed with JW using it.  I've seen JW dig up these tiny little bits of gold from stupid depths for their size.  Basically the GPZ with 10" X-coil is my dream machine, my wife is just resisting me buying it as she sees it as a waste of money but if I had the chance I'd most certainly own it.

The SDC seems a more popular detector in countries with hotter soil, Nugget hunter NZ's opinion on it basically mirrors what JW has told me about his SDC which he never uses, it's just not as good as a GPX in our soil conditions, we can crank the GPX up and it performs better than an SDC when you use a smaller coil on the GPX, and now with the flat wound small coils like the 10" X-coil........ It's crazy sensitive.

Now, as for getting another GPX, if you can afford the GPZ in my opinion from what I've seen I'd buy a GPZ over the GPX any day especially if I was also going to be running that killer 10" X-coil on it in our NZ soil conditions.  When our soil is so mild with cranked up settings the GPZ and 10" X-coil should be illegal, it's unfair on us that don't own it.  The coil adapter is the sticking point for a lot of people but you can get someone to make it for you if necessary, there are plenty of electronics repair shops in NZ that will do it.

If you were going for the GPX again I'd seriously consider the 4500 over the 5000, no point wasting the money on a 5000 when you won't use the extra timings anyway, use the money you save there to get the new 10" X-coil for the GPX, It's by far the most sensitive coil I've ever used on my GPX, it see's tiny gold sizes my 14x9" EVO was blind to and I felt my EVO was far better than the Sadie for sensitivity.

I hope JW notices your post so he can put some photos up of the tiny gold he's found with the 10" GPZ X-coil and the depths he''s got it at, he's been over bedrock I've done with my GM1000 and got tiny gold I've missed as they were just too deep for the GM for their size. 

We'll see what turns out with the NF coils, I suspect they'll be making them mostly for use in tough Australian conditions and made so they run stable and quiet as they can in those conditions so I expect the X-coils will remain the stronger coil of the two but we'll have to wait and see on that one but as a comparison the GPX X-coils are far quieter/more stable than my Nugget Finder EVO even though they're more sensitive, I wish manufacturers made coils for Mild soils and another coil for use in Mineralised soils, I don't want a dumbed down coil just because someone in another country needs it, the same probably goes for detectors to an extent.

Glad to see you back after laying low and no poachers stole your giant nugget 🙂

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28 minutes ago, phrunt said:

Well, I can tell you now the GPZ with 10" X-coil isn't far off running something like a Gold Monster, but with more depth from what I've witnessed with JW using it.  I've seen JW dig up these tiny little bits of gold from stupid depths for their size.  Basically the GPZ with 10" X-coil is my dream machine, my wife is just resisting me buying it as she sees it as a waste of money but if I had the chance I'd most certainly own it.

The SDC seems a more popular detector in countries with hotter soil, Nugget hunter NZ's opinion on it basically mirrors what JW has told me about his SDC which he never uses, it's just not as good as a GPX in our soil conditions, we can crank the GPX up and it performs better than an SDC when you use a smaller coil on the GPX, and now with the flat wound small coils like the 10" X-coil........ It's crazy sensitive.

Now, as for getting another GPX, if you can afford the GPZ in my opinion from what I've seen I'd buy a GPZ over the GPX any day especially if I was also going to be running that killer 10" X-coil on it in our NZ soil conditions.  When our soil is so mild with cranked up settings the GPZ and 10" X-coil should be illegal, it's unfair on us that don't own it.  The coil adapter is the sticking point for a lot of people but you can get someone to make it for you if necessary, there are plenty of electronics repair shops in NZ that will do it.

If you were going for the GPX again I'd seriously consider the 4500 over the 5000, no point wasting the money on a 5000 when you won't use the extra timings anyway, use the money you save there to get the new 10" X-coil for the GPX, It's by far the most sensitive coil I've ever used on my GPX, it see's tiny gold sizes my 14x9" EVO was blind to and I felt my EVO was far better than the Sadie for sensitivity.

I hope JW notices your post so he can put some photos up of the tiny gold he's found with the 10" GPZ X-coil and the depths he''s got it at, he's been over bedrock I've done with my GM1000 and got tiny gold I've missed as they were just too deep for the GM for their size. 

We'll see what turns out with the NF coils, I suspect they'll be making them mostly for use in tough Australian conditions and made so they run stable and quiet as they can in those conditions so I expect the X-coils will remain the stronger coil of the two but we'll have to wait and see on that one but as a comparison the GPX X-coils are far quieter/more stable than my Nugget Finder EVO even though they're more sensitive, I wish manufacturers made coils for Mild soils and another coil for use in Mineralised soils, I don't want a dumbed down coil just because someone in another country needs it, the same probably goes for detectors to an extent.

Glad to see you back after laying low and no poachers stole your giant nugget 🙂

Yea I'm defanitly leaning towards the gpz there's one for sale for good price near New so if I can raise the money in time I'll get it.. Don't have a wife to stop me doing stupid things 😂 not sure if you saw my post about nf thier email to me about them trialing a new option to DOD meaning they can make smaller coils for gpz but seams 10 inch is about as small as can got with the DOD configuration.. I'm hoping John would be able to help me make up the conection for the 10 xcoil if I do manage to get the gpz 

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1 hour ago, phrunt said:

 

We'll see what turns out with the NF coils, I suspect they'll be making them mostly for use in tough Australian conditions and made so they run stable and quiet as they can in those conditions so I expect the X-coils will remain the stronger coil of the two but we'll have to wait and see on that one but as a comparison the GPX X-coils are far quieter/more stable than my Nugget Finder EVO even though they're more sensitive, I wish manufacturers made coils for Mild soils and another coil for use in Mineralised soils, I don't want a dumbed down coil just because someone in another country needs it, the same probably goes for detectors to an extent.

Glad to see you back after laying low and no poachers stole your giant nugget 🙂

What gives you the impression they'd be dumbed down??

Any "dumbing down" would be done by the user via the detector.

If they work in Aust, no doubt they'd kill it where you are.

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42 minutes ago, madtuna said:

What gives you the impression they'd be dumbed down??

Any "dumbing down" would be done by the user via the detector.

If they work in Aust, no doubt they'd kill it where you are.

I have no idea 🙂 I just assume that to make a coil a good seller it would have to work well in all soil types especially an Australian made coil which will likely mostly be sold in Australia. If they made a coil too sensitive it would likely react to bad ground too much and people would dislike it when used in bad ground or say my such and such coil works fine on these settings, so I put this fancy new coil on and I had to dumb my detector down to use it then people would think it's a bad coil.  I just wonder if it is possible to make coils that may not work well in highly mineralised soils that still work in mild soils with the extra sensitivity associated with being too sensitive for hotter soils.  This is coming from my uneducated point of view on coils, I have no idea about any facts associated with it, all assumptions.  This isn't about NF coils or any other brand of coils, it's purely about coils in general, VLF or PI.

I remember vaguely some time ago reading older forum posts from Aussies on Aussie forums about some people not liking flat wound coils when they came out in the mainstream as they were noisy on their ground when their bundle wound coils weren't. 

The SDC is an example of this in a way from a detector point of view, very few mild soil users sing it's praises compared to hotter soil users from what I've seen yet hotter soil users all love it and I have no doubt in hot soil it's a great detector.  I believe the SDC is based on the Fine gold timings which nobody in their right mind would use in mild soils as it's for finding small gold in highly mineralised ground.

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      Now the sun came out, it was terribly hot and I was frustrated looking at the nice cool water below me while I'm up here sweating badly wanting to jump in it to cool off, I really struggle in heat so I moved away from the cliffs and jumped in my car to go back into the terrain JW found his bits last weekend, it's very close by and I could have walked if it wasn't so hot and my drink had run out already 🙂
      This next area has lots of good bedrock and didn't seem as junky with the pellets, the issue here is the power lines, I dropped my gain down to 14 from the 20 it was on previously so the machine ran nicer as I couldn't put up with the power line noise as the spot with the bedrock I wanted to detect was basically under the power lines.  As I detected further away from them I cranked my gain up again and as  I got closer lowered it down, quite easy to do on the GPZ as you just leave it on that option and adjust as necessary.

      Why do they always put these right where the best bedrock is... I'm sure they did it on purpose. 

      Nice bedrock though... I could see a number of fresh looking dig holes around, I suspect JW's handy work, he was good though, all necessary ones were back filled. 😉  The funny plants are getting annoying, there is a plant that looks like that if you grab onto it and try rip it out it spikes you to death so I wasn't game to touch them, just worked around them.
      I noticed an area with a lot of dig holes but it was virtually right under the lines, I figured there is no point doing that area but the dig holes seemed to go off in a direction so I instead went down rather than follow the digs and it was only 15 steps from a dig hole and I had a target, quite faint but very obvious.  At this point my gain was on 12 to calm down the power lines and I had the detectors volume on 4 as the Steelphase SP01 was attached to the Wm12 and gave me all the volume I could ever want.  I did notice if I got between the WM12 and the detector sometimes the audio dropped out for a few seconds and picked up again if I moved, it seems it doesn't like passing the audio through my body, is this normal or is my WM12 a lemon? I would think it's pretty normal passing wireless though your body.  I tried changing frequencies but made no difference.  I might just use my Quest Wirefree mate as it doesn't seem to do that, similar thing to the WM12 anyway.
      I dug the target thinking it's probably going to be another shotgun pellet, it was doing the same wobbly type noise, hard to describe the noise....  I did a scrape with the pick and it was still in place, getting hopeful but the bedrock was quite shallow so I just started taking scoops out with my plastic scoop and waving them over the coil, narrowed down a target and it was a bit of gold! Awesome, my first GPZ gold, a tiny little thing....  I rechecked the area and the exact same noise was still there, it sounded like I never even dug the target.  So I kept scraping it out and waving the scoop over my coil, a few more scoops with and I had the target. Boom! Another bit of gold.  Two from one hole! this doesn't happen to me often.

      The spot I got them!

      You can see the detector sitting in the spot still where I got them and if you look up the damn power lines!

      The two little guys! 🙂  I was done for the day now, it was too hot and my back was pretty sore.  I had a goal of finding a bit of gold then I was going to leave, it's lucky it happened when it did as to clean the little bits I had to use the last drop of moisture in my body, my spit came out like pasty thick molasses to clean them.  I stumbled back to my car and was lucky.  I found a few fruit trees on the walk that were covered in fruit.  I got my fluids up eating a bunch of apricots and a few plums.


      I picked a few for the road too

      Washed down my KFC with them.
      Time to head home, my wife had sent me a text message while I was detecting saying I've had a parcel arrive, it was the two coils I've ordered to start exploring for some new ground, I wanted some ground coverage so I can explore and find some ground JW hasn't already done so I think this is partially why I called it quits so early in the day, I wanted to rush home and see the new coils 🙂


      15x10 and 17x12"
      I've tested both of them out already in my backyard, both detect my bits of gold I found today, that means they'll be my perfect exploring coils.  I hoped they'd both still have the sensitivity to small gold which they do.  I shouldn't say my bits of gold either, my wife confiscated them off me, valentines day gift she said as its valentines day here today 😄  It's the first nuggets I've given her so that's OK.
      Time for the weigh in.


      Not too bad! Happy with that.  I really like the 12" coil, it's going to to be my everyday use coil.
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