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You have to get up early to get the scoop first.

Dilek just posted early this morning regarding the update. https://www.facebook.com/noktadetectors/
There will most likely be another update, using suggestions given by current Simplex users with current update.

Some complaints by those who want to revert back a version or two. Not recommended.

Also the new accessory coils will not work with any Simplex that hasn't been updated to the current version.
Guess this is why the accessory coils haven't been made available yet.

Who knows how far this Simplex project is going,on its way to being the perfect product? For the price this detector is getting better and better.

 

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Great news.  It’s amazing that the update was out for such a short time and people were already bagging it.  It had to have been on FB, surely.  I noticed it is a bit chatty when my pinpointer is on but that was easily fixed by moving the coil a bit further away. Simple really.

Is it because I’m Down Under that Dilek’s cap was reading backwards?  😂😂😂

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6 hours ago, Sven1 said:

Also the new accessory coils will not work with any Simplex that hasn't been updated to the current version.
Guess this is why the accessory coils haven't been made available yet.

 Now that is interesting indeed. Since the new Multi machine is going to be in the Simplex housing, I wonder if this is related? It would be easy to design coils for Simplex that would also work on a multifrequency detector. Like the way White’s V3i coils also work on the MXT. Would be a brilliant move if they were thinking in that direction.

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6 hours ago, Sven1 said:

Who knows how far this Simplex project is going,on its way to being the perfect product? For the price this detector is getting better and better.

So far, Simplex is far from perfect in my reality, though it looks great on paper.  It is really having trouble hitting anything decently at depth in my test garden (I am talking nickels, dimes, minie balls and small/large brass buckles and buttons at a mere 6 inches) that the Vanquish is able to ping with comparative ease.  Air tests show the Simplex hitting test targets just fine so it is not a gross problem with the detector/coil as far as I can tell.  I am hoping the update, which I haven't loaded yet, will make a difference.  I really like the feature set, including what Nokta has added with this last update.  I need to do some more testing (and documented video evidence) with the as delivered software before I switch to the upgrade so more to come.  I am really rooting for this detector as I like the ergonomics and features and have no preconceived notions or biases to any one brand as I own Whites, Garrett, Fisher, Teknetics, XP, Minelab products in addition to the Simplex.

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2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

It is really having trouble hitting anything decently at depth in my test garden (I am talking nickels, dimes, minie balls and small/large brass buckles and buttons at a mere 6 inches) that the Vanquish is able to ping with comparative ease.    I need to do some more testing (and documented video evidence) with the as delivered software before I switch to the upgrade so more to come

Chase, can you do a video of it on your test garden before and after update? I'd appreciate that if you could.

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48 minutes ago, phrunt said:

Chase, can you do a video of it on your test garden before and after update? I'd appreciate that if you could.

That's my plan.

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3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

So far, Simplex is far from perfect in my reality, though it looks great on paper.  It is really having trouble hitting anything decently at depth in my test garden

If the Simplex at $259 detected as well as any of the more expensive Nok/Mak detectors, what do you suppose might happen to sales of those more expensive models?

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40 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

If the Simplex at $259 detected as well as any of the more expensive Nok/Mak detectors, what do you suppose might happen to sales of those more expensive models?

The purpose and context of my post was to inject some reality into the OP postulating that Nokta was incrementally increasing the Simplex capability into some "perfect product" (his words, not mine) and my only comparison was against a similarly priced entry level competitor that performed better.  I don't have any of the other Nokta detectors mentioned and did not plan to show it perform against the likes of a Deus or Equinox, which is neither relevant nor appropriate.  In other words, I know your question is rhetorical, Steve, but I assure you that I am not falling into the common trap we repeatedly see on You Tube of someone trying to compare a Yugo to a Tesla.  Also, there is nothing special about my test garden, I mainly use it to tune my ears to GPX audio prior to a relic hunt and test my GPX to various relatively shallow relic targets with different coil and soil timing settings combinations as a functional equipment check before hauling out to a site.  It is not meant to test the limits of detection of even a VLF detector, by any means.  That is why I was surprised by the Simplex performance.

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I chickened out on buying a Simplex as they are so difficult to buy in NZ and you have to import one, then some other random guy imported one and a couple of weeks later it was up on Trademe (our second hand goods sales site) for sale saying surplus to his requirements, that scared me.  He obviously imported it (paying an extreme premium to do so) and wasn't happy with it.    It to me seems similar in performance to my T2 so far, I'm keeping a close eye on it though as I love the features and I would like to support Nokta as I like them as a company.

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Maybe Nokta/Makro's marketing strategy is to do a software upgrade and preform a little better and still get some decent coil choices for less. Some hobbyist's are exactly that hobbyist', and choose not to spend a ton of money to enjoy a part time hobby and still be able to upgrade their machine with extra coils for less. We have to remember that at least 50% of buyers are new to the hobby. I started with a whites coinmaster 2/db and thought it was the greatest.(not so much now). The simplex by all accounts is a good machine and should not be faulted. Nokta/Makro knows this and is directing sales to help out people who don't want to drop $800.00 on a machine that they will only use maybe 25 times a year. For most beginners the simplex will be a great choice. Will it find gold at 20'' No, will it find silver at 14'' No, but will it find someone memories with their kids? YES. I think we all know that lower priced machines only preform so well, So why do we all want the detector from the gods above, for only $250.00. Would you be willing to trade your gpz 7000 for the simplex ? The simplex is a good start out machine, that most will find enjoyable and be happy with. If I had to guess the simplex is their best selling machine and I doubt an upgrade will compete with their higher priced machines, and maybe make some want some to advance in capabilities. I think we sometimes push away some people from the hobby by confusion to products and our bias to the best of the best. 

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