Gold Kruzer Target ID Numbers?

[kac]

So sounds like the Gold Kruzer has a normalized id system? I thought it would put aluminum up higher than nickels or gold.

[Jeff McClendon]

12 minutes ago, kac said:

So sounds like the Gold Kruzer has a normalized id system? I thought it would put aluminum up higher than nickels or gold.

Were you asking about target IDs for the Simplex or the Gold Kruzer? I assumed you were asking about the Simplex since it is the main subject of this topic.

[kac]

Was asking on the GK, Simplex should have same numbers as the 14khz Kruzer.

[Steve Herschbach]

On my Gold Kruzer:

Nickel 60

Zinc Penny 81

Clad Dime 85

Clad Quarter 87

So yes, more or less normalized to the 14 kHz numbers used on earlier Makro units.

Nokta FORS & Makro Racer VDI Chart

0 - 5 Hot Rocks
5 -25 Mineralized Ground
25 - 35 Salty and Alkali Soils
10 - 40 Ferrous Targets (Iron, nails)
40 - 50 Foil, Small Gold
56 - 58 US Nickel
82 - 83 Zinc Penny
84 - 86 US Dime
88 - 92 US Quarter
95 - 99 Hot Rocks

 

[Jeff McClendon]

44 minutes ago, kac said:

Was asking on the GK, Simplex should have same numbers as the 14khz Kruzer.

Gold Kruzer's iron range is roughly 0 to 40 as opposed to the Simplex/Multi Kruzer 0 to 15. I don't know anything about ID normalization on the Gold Kruzer since it only operates at one frequency=61kHz

I see that Steve and I were answering at the same time. Interestingly, square and rounded modern pull tabs are just above nickels on my Gold Kruzer.

[Steve Herschbach]

The gold oriented machines have a 0-40 ferrous range. The coin machines starting with Racer 2 they compressed the ferrous to give more room to non-ferrous. The Impact let's you choose between the two ranges. Other models may - not sure.

 

[kac]

Does the Gold Racer use the same scale as the Gold Kruzer? I am guessing they do.

[kac]

The extended iron range interests me, something I liked about the AT Pro. Do either of you have the Gold Racer?

How does it handle high iron areas? Also EMI is a big issue in areas here and thinking the 56khz would fair better due to harmonics with the transformers here. I assume I will lose quite a bit of depth when compared to the lower frequency machines but plan to use it for jewelry and coin shooting in parks.

[Jeff McClendon]

The Gold Racer is 0 to 40 in all metal and 0 to 40 with an adjustable iron tone break in Disc 1 and Disc 2. All metal is 1 tone and the discrimination modes are 2 tones. Personally, I like the 3 tone Micro mode better on the Gold Kruzer for coin and jewelry hunting and I like the built in rechargeable batteries, wireless operation and the waterproofing on the Gold Kruzer too. I have not had much issue with EMI on the Gold Racer or Gold Kruzer. If you want a bulletproof EMI detector that can also do some very good coin shooting and micro jewelry hunting I would also consider the 19kHz  F19/G2+/Time Ranger Pro from First Texas. I know you have the Multi Kruzer but it IS plagued by EMI at least in my area. Those 19 kHz FTP detectors are totally silent even maxed out in disc mode and you can set the iron tone break and iron volume level where ever you want.

 

[PhaseTech]

Something that I wrote and posted somewhere?? 

The full ID scale on all Nokta Makro machines is 00-99, but they have used different ferrous/iron ID scales (or ranges) on their different detectors, i.e. 00-10, or 00-40.

So what is the difference?

A wider ferrous range is good for relic hunters so they can accurately set what level of iron they wish to ignore. This as a result compresses the non-ferrous ID scale, so you get more stable ID's, but can group certain targets close together. A very wide ferrous range is also used on detectors intended for gold prospecting, because there can be a very fine line between hot rocks and gold, especially nuggets that can have some form of ironstone attached to them.

A very narrow ferrous ID scale is more geared towards the coin hunter, as it spreads out the non-ferrous scale, giving you greater separation between good and bad targets. This is important when notching out troublesome junk targets such as say pull tabs, so you are less likely to reject good targets in the process.

As a handy reference, I thought I'd put up the ferrous scale used in their various units:

FORS CoRe, Gold and Gold+ use: 00-40

Red Racer: 00-40

Gold Racer: 00-40

Fors Relic: 00-20

Racer 2: 00-10

Simplex+: 00-15

Kruzer 14 & Multi Kruzer use: 00-15

Gold Kruzer: 00-40

Anfibio 14 & Multi use: 00-15

Anfibio 19: 00-40

The IMPACT is quite unique in that it uses two different scales depending on Search Mode.

DI2, DI3, DI4, DI99, COG use: 00-15

Deep, Gen, VLX & STA Modes use: 00-40