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I once transcribed the journal of a 21 year old farmer from Quincy MA who sailed from Boston in January 1849 for the gold mines of California.  It's called James White's Journal.  It's free on Apple iBooks and $2.99 on Kindle.  It's the real deal.  No romanticism.  Just what it was like.

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On 10/13/2020 at 6:53 PM, GB_Amateur said:

However I'm sure there are many in the state as well as geographers and historians who would take exception to the second sentence.  California is far more than simply good farmland, independent of its (historic) gold wealth.  A better subject of speculation, IMO, asks what percentage of its current residents are even aware of those two traits.

I absolutely agree with you. It is unimaginable that we would have failed to develop so great a part of the country. And, like you point out, I'm sure many people who live in Oakland are unaware of what gorgeous countryside their city has been plopped down on.

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16 hours ago, oldmancoyote1 said:

I once transcribed the journal of a 21 year old farmer from Quincy MA who sailed from Boston in January 1849 for the gold mines of California.  It's called James White's Journal.  It's free on Apple iBooks and $2.99 on Kindle.  It's the real deal.  No romanticism.  Just what it was like.

That sounds like a fascinating read. I may confiscate my girlfriend's device so I can read it. Link's here for anyone else who is interested.

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On 10/14/2020 at 12:57 PM, mn90403 said:

KellycoDetectors,

I've seen this same post on another forum.  I hope when you post this information on each of the forums because you are seeking business it is not just a 'boiler plate' presentation.  You may find that you will be losing goodwill for your brand here if you do that.

Now, if you are someone who wants to interact with Steve's forum readers and get involved in the discussions you will build a following just as the many other dealers already here do.

Please consider this before you flood us with social media marketing strategy.  Some of us may object.

Mitchel

Spot on. Every sales job out there now is for "Digital Marketing". Sounds like they hired some digital guru who said " let's flood every MDing site out there". It is for this specific reason I will not buy ANY from this company. 

 

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Hey @King-Of-Bling, @Swegin, @mn90403! We talked with Steve about interacting here in the forum, and sharing some of what we consider to be our best content on-site.  We got the green light.  If you aren't interested in what we're posting, that's okay.  We can also post the whole piece if desired (like @Swegin mentioned).  But we didn't want to "flood" things here b/c we weren't sure how long to make these posts.  It's a work-in-progress as we figure things out.  And don't worry, this isn't a monologue with us just posting and not responding.  You can see that we do respond (look later in this thread) i.e. we're trying to make this a dialogue.  Appreciate your collective patience, and see y'all here in the forum. :slightly_smiling_face:

P.S. Since we're talking about community involvement and sharing, I should tell you that we've just released a bunch of previously-unpublished guides to where to actually detect. Have a look: https://www.kellycodetectors.com/pages/metal-detecting-site-locators-by-state/

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Last I looked I'm the only moderator on these forums. I have basic rules governing behavior, which in general say be polite and respectful. A couple responses here don't seem to fit that mold. On the other hand, our new member has done nothing against my rules. The was some relevant content posted, with a link to a continuation of that content.

There are no dealer or manufacturer sponsors here. However, I do not prohibit dealers or dealer representatives as long as they play by my rules, and do not get obnoxious over doing promotional efforts. Too much, and it does turn into spamming. My rules for dealers here.

On the other hand, saying you linked to Kellyco to complete the content due to being afraid of exceeding limits.... let's not be disingenuous. I'm a straight shooter, and appreciate the same in others.

As KellycoDetectors is learning, anything perceived as outright in your face sales these days is as likely to backfire as not. Dealers get there best success here by being helpful and answering questions people have, not through direct sales efforts.

Dealers can have some great access to information and knowledge worth sharing, and as long as there is a benefit to the members from a dealer presence, all is well. If the sole goal is to make sales pitches, it won't last. If this turns into spamming, I will deal with it. For others who have zero tolerance, it is simple to ignore users if you choose to not see their posts.

 

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I for one will never give a cent of my money to people who knowingly sell scam devices and ripoff the very people they want to be a "community" with and I will definitely point it out the same as I would if a Nigerian Prince showed up here trying to gin up business.

https://www.kellycodetectors.com/catalog/okm-bionic-x4-long-range-gold-metal-detector

That's the cheap one, they have one they are trying to get $30k out of made by the same company, which I can only assume is also based on such ridiculously bogus tecnology as "long range gold ion detection" and "Bio-Energy-System" which uses the power of the operators body to find long range gold.

Shameful in my opinion, Kellyco.

 

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I don't disagree about that Jason, and frankly I'm glad you brought it up. I also avoid doing business with anyone that sells LRL devices. We are not alone, and Kellyco would do well to swear off doing this. It might make a few bucks, but it is also costing them sales. I won't say I've never done business with Kellyco, but all things being equal I'll go elsewhere when possible over this one thing.

Just an FYI for everyone... any dealer presence on this forum does not mean I support said dealers. I try to stay neutral. I generally avoid the subject when people ask me to recommend a dealer, and the fact is if I need gear I'll get it from my old shop in Alaska unless they just can't get it for me. So now you know where my loyalties are. :smile:

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13 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Last I looked I'm the only moderator on these forums.

Absolutely correct and I for one don't want your job.  I greeted KellycoDetectors when they joined and wondered what would follow.

We normally have a name and then a company with other forum members.  I've seen in the replies a reference to 'we' but I don't know 'who' is responding.  I didn't see a name on the profile and the posts I read are not signed.  Just wondering who in Kelly Co we are chatting with.

Mitchel

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      The Geogia Gold Rush originally appeared on kellycodetectors.com.
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      Three years later, Reed’s father showed the “doorstop” to a jeweler who immediately recognized it for what it was and offered to purchase it. Reed decided to sell it, for the princely sum of $3.50 ($62.54 in 2019 dollars), which was the average weekly wage for a farm laborer at that time. The actual value of the nugget was somewhere in the neighborhood of $3,600 at the time, but the current market price of a 17-pound gold nugget is over a quarter-million dollars. They had previously brought the “doorstop” to a silversmith who, unfortunately for the Reeds, was unable to identify the raw gold. 
      For what it’s worth, Reed didn’t seem to have any concept of what the gold was worth. It was Reed who suggested $3.50 as the price, which seemed like a large sum of money to him. He did quickly learn about the mistake he had made and the jewelry paid him an additional $1000. After this, the search for more gold on the land began in earnest. They mostly looked during the summer, not just because they weren’t working on tilling the fields, but also because the creek was much drier, which made hunting for gold a more fruitful enterprise. 
      Reed eventually learned about the true value of what he had sold and entered into a partnership to extract the massive value from his land. Regional newspapers spread the news of the find and soon everyone was trying to get in on the bonanza. However, the Carolina Gold Rush was different from later gold rushes in that it wasn’t a free-for-all that anyone could get in on. Rather, the Carolina Gold Rush was primarily about small farmers investing in their own land to extract the riches that lay below the surface. It was also mostly a side project for the farmers who would go out hunting for gold after the growing season was over. 
      The North Carolina Gold Rush Begins in Earnest
      Gold was soon found in the surrounding counties of Mecklenburg, Montgomery, Rowan, Stanly, and Union. People poured into the region hoping to get a piece of land that would have the next big paying gold mine. One of these people was William Thornton, better known as the man who designed the United States Capitol building. He purchased 35,000 acres of land in the region forming the North Carolina Gold Mine Company whose investors included the former Governor of Maryland and a former Treasurer of the United States. 
      Prior to that, there were very few people in the region and it was primarily an underdeveloped backwater. There were fewer than 100 families in the region, primarily of Scots-Irish stock, but also some Germans. They were all farmers raising livestock and some foodstuffs. 
      The farmers were able to do this using a technique known as placer mining. This is where a stream is mined for gold in the manner of “panning for gold” using a variety of tools and technologies that were contemporary at the time. Panning for gold doesn’t have the efficiency of more modern techniques, but it was all that farmers were able to do and it served their purposes well enough. The gold extracted through this method is also low-hanging fruit, so by the 1820s, all the deposits that we’re able to be extracted through placer mining were exhausted. This led to the opening of the first lode mine shaft in 1825. There were also significant changes in mining technology around this time that allowed for a greater yield but largely meant that farmers could no longer perform the mining operations. 
      Cornish Miners Leave Their Mark on America
      The need for skilled miners meant that there was an influx of immigrants from England, primarily from the ceremonial county of Cornwall in the far southwest of England. The spread of news about the big gold strike was not limited to North Carolina or even the United States — it had spread to Europe as well. Copper mining and tin mining were the major projects there but by the early 19th Century there was no more copper and tin to be mined in the region, so those miners were looking for work around the same time that the Carolina Gold Rush started taking off. In addition to how they changed the population of the region, the influence of Cornish miners can be seen in the design of the ore mills, which are nearly identical to the ones in Cornwall. 
      They also taught their techniques to the local miners. The techniques that came from Cornwall spread throughout the entire Carolina terrane where they quickly became standard operating procedures in all mining in the region. This labor pool later is what made it possible for the California Gold Rush to happen. The labor supply was there to get gold out of the mines in an efficient way when Americans started finding gold out west. Unsurprisingly, it was typically single men who set out west to find their fortune while the married miners were content to stay in the Carolina region that had previously been so good to them. 
      The Carolina Gold Rush was largely put to bed by the fact that it wasn’t a free-for-all and because gold was discovered in Georgia in 1828. The locus of American gold fever thus moved a few hundred miles south, but the region where the Carolina Gold Rush first took place continued to be a powerhouse in terms of gold production in the United States. 
      Whatever Happened to John Reed?
      John Reed, Conrad’s father, of course, had his own mining operation, known as the Reed Gold Mine. He started with placer mining and a slave named Peter soon found a 28-pound gold nugget, the market value today of which would be closer to a million dollars than not. Underground mining began on the site in 1831. 
      John Reed was originally Johannes Reith, an illiterate Hessian soldier who saw action during the American Revolution underneath Colonel Friedrich von Purbeck. He later deserted the British with his arms and equipment somewhere outside of what is now Savannah, Georgia. He settled first in the lower part of North Carolina and later upper Mecklenburg County. He finally landed in Cabarrus County, where an ethnic German enclave had come together. This is where he anglicized his name and also where he struck gold.
      Reed died a very rich man thanks to the mine. Still, he lived a modest life, largely investing the money that he made back in the land and in the slaves to work it. He purchased an additional 2,000 acres of land in the area, retaining about half of it and flipping the other half. At a time when the average North Carolinian owned no slaves, Reed and his partners joined the upper crust of society by being part of the top 2 percent of all slave owners in the state. 
      Other North Carolina Farmers Get in on the Action
      Many of the landowners never profited from gold strikes at all but were able to make a handsome return on their land by selling it to speculators hoping for the next big motherlode of gold. Some kept the land, selling only the mineral rights to the land, which was a very low risk — they could continue to till the land while speculators took all of the risks for gold that might or might not even be there. 
      The first lode was found in Stanly County on the land of a man named Tobias Barringer. Union County’s Smart Mine (which was operational from 1835 to 1911) and the Howie Mine (which ran from 1840 to 1942). The Carolina Gold Rush peaked in the 1830s and 1840s when there were fully 56 mines operating in the state. Entire towns sprung up to support the workforce, which had ballooned to 25,000, as well as the industry related to extracting purer forms of gold from the raw ore. Up until 1829, North Carolina was the only state that was producing domestic gold for the purpose of minting coins for the United States. 
      Mining activity at the Reed Gold Mine decreased significantly during the American Civil War. The Confederacy badly needed both labor and resources and the Reed Gold Mine was taking too much of the former without providing enough of the latter to justify it continuing to be open. The last significant find through placer mining took place in 1896. Underground mining was discontinued on the site in 1912. But during the late 19th Century and until the mine was shuttered, it was one of the biggest producers of gold for the American treasury. The Charlotte Mint largely existed to process the gold from the Reed Mine and other mines like it in the area of the original Carolina Gold Rush. However, there was gold mined in North Carolina all the way up until 1971, the value of which is somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million. Most of this, however, was mined before 1900. When the preliminary excavations were being performed for the One First Union Center in 1988 and the NationsBank Corporate Center in 1992, trace amounts of gold were found, attesting to the incredible value of the gold in this region. 
      North Carolina Gold Mining Today
      These days anyone can go to the Reed Gold Mine. It’s a National Historic Site owned and operated by the North Carolina Department of Natural and Cultural Resources. There is a museum dedicated to the history of mining in North Carolina. Visitors can also go inside the gold mines, which have been reconstructed for visitation by the general public. 
      There is still a little bit of gold mining taking place in the state, but nothing compared to the glory days of the Carolina Gold Rush. Most of the hunt for gold today is about finding ways to extract it from volcanic rock. There are no active mines as such, but some people are still doing a little placer mining in the region, hoping to find a nugget or two that the Carolina Gold Rush and the resulting intensive mining in the region might have missed. All that said, it is estimated that only 2 percent of the gold in the region has actually been mined. 
      One of the most important lessons to learn for people who have never heard of the North Carolina Gold Rush is that there is gold to be found in a number of areas that are not necessarily thought of as being “gold-rich.” Indeed, one never knows where the might be gold, even underneath your land. But whatever you do, don’t sell your gold doorstop for a couple of hundred dollars, even if it is simply the first sign that you’re sitting on top of a total bonanza.
      The Carolina Gold Rush originally appeared on kellycodetectors.com.
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