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I went back to the above field today , this time with my Vanquish 540  to compare the Apex with the Vanquish . Actually I had also  a little trouble in this field with the Vanquish because of the high iron trash level .

The Vanquish is noisy on the irons ,however it is very accurate when on a target. The Apex filters a little better the irons but it is not accurate on the targets . So finally I prefer the Vanquish because at least I have nice sounds on targets... 🙂

However I think that Garrett could certainly improve the Apex by modifying the digital signal processing,making it softer , a little faster and more accurate. Perhaps they read this forum I hope so ...

 

 

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I had one on loan for a few minutes and decided to run it in my test garden .Here are the results.....  

We have grounds that have been pounded to death too. Most of the parks have been reworked over the years so if there are deep coins they are too deep for any detector as drainage systems have been put

This is what I am always puzzled by, people who say they'd use something sub-par when they have the option to use something FAR better.  Sure for day or two for experimenting or a bit of fun or for a

1 hour ago, phrunt said:

I'd love to know from people who have bought it what was behind the decision to buy it, was it more curiosity to see how it goes or was it some other reason.   I'm sure it sells well, good marketing and a nice looking package at a reasonable price from a well established and known brand means sales especially to new detector users.

I like to try different metal detectors and money really isn't an issue, I pretty much buy what I want (Well to a point, I think longer when the price goes above a few thousand). If I don't like it I sell it. My reason for buying the Apex was simply to see what Garret could do with multi frequency. I was hoping they would give Minelab some competition and in some respects they have. But Garrett isn't close enough performance wise for me to consider keeping it. Like I said I just can see myself pulling up to one of my relic sites and thinking to myself, let me pull out the Apex instead of the Equinox and see how much stuff I can leave foir the next guy.  I will say I really like the Garrett Ace Apex looks, feel and weight. But in the end performance is going to beat out looks every time for me.

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  • Steve Herschbach changed the title to Testing The Garrett Apex In My Test Garden

I think we've already established the Apex has the look of a Porsche with the engine of a VW Beetle. 🙂

Maybe in a year, two or three if they come out with the Garrett AT SuperDooper Max Multi they'll have improved on their attempt at multi frequency to a point where it's competitive and at the moment with the Apex they've made a mediocre upper end entry level VLF that works better than some of their other models on the beach.  A good start, better than First Texas has done so far when it comes to a modern day multi freaker.

They could shut up the critics with a firmware update 1.1 that improves things, that would be impressive.

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11 hours ago, Lucky2bGorgeous said:

Watched this Entertaining Video twice.    Apex Tuning was not correct.  

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I AM a Garrett Dealer FYI.    No Mention of the Weight, Balance or Feel which is very important, almost like trying a good pair of shoes.   Nothing to do with the Tuning of course but the Apex design along with Garretts Acquisition of White's Electronics patents or intellectual property.... its coming together like a Great Wine Paring.

What do you mean by "Apex tuning was not correct " ?

From my standpoint ,I confirm Calabash digger results ,  I have tested mine during 10hours in the field  (inland only / no beach hunting )  using the factory settings and trying to change freq , mode , sens etc but found no miracle setting up to now...  As I already said I dont like the Apex audio whatever the setting . 😒

Moreover I had strong interferences 3 times during these tests ( EMI ? ) , I had to stop detecting and go elsewhere because the machine was unusable .. Never had such a pb with other detectors at the same locations ..

Concerning the weight and balance yes you are right the Apex is a light machine at 1,17kg and I have appreciated the thin control box which is very nice and simple to use. The 11X 6 coil is a very good coil with an important ground coverage and quite accurate I like it 🙂

However the most important thing on a detector is the electronics and I think that Garrett has to improve the Apex electronics/software if they want to compete with the MLs Equinox , Vanquish and even monofreqs like the XPs and the FTs G2 , T2 etc ...

 

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phurnt as I understand it they would have have to be shipped back to the factory for a update.....So from where I live to Texas would be about 40 bucks one way...So 80.00 bucks in shipping on a $400 dollar detector to update it. Unless you could do it on a computer....???

Hmmmm

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    I appreciate everyone who did testing on the Apex! I don't remember ML's first attempt at multi! If anyone can make a comparison between that unit and the Apex, maybe that would be a closer comparison! In any case i would say it's a process each company will have to jump through to get to ML's level! But they to still have there own issues with the Nox to iron out, that other companies have mastered!👍👍

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1 hour ago, Joe D. said:

    I appreciate everyone who did testing on the Apex! I don't remember ML's first attempt at multi! If anyone can make a comparison between that unit and the Apex, maybe that would be a closer comparison! In any case i would say it's a process each company will have to jump through to get to ML's level! But they to still have there own issues with the Nox to iron out, that other companies have mastered!👍👍

ML has started the 1st multifreq with the sovereign it was in 1996 or 1997 I think , more than 20 years ago ... They were slow machines but already very efficient at the beach and still used now btw. Then came the Explorer that I used from 2001 to 2005 for inland detecting, and later other machines like the Etrac , CTX etc  . The explorer had already the fluted tones that are typical of even the recent MLs multifreqs like the Equinox or the Vanquish.

So comparing the old Explorer to the brand new Apex I still prefer the "old" Explorer audio.  On the other hand the Apex is  lighter than the Explorer. But ML has significantly improved their detectors weights by the time and of course improved their electronics which is much faster and efficient than what it was at the beginnning of the 2000s... 

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Joe dont take this wrong way but I dont follow the logic that because its their first attempt at a Multi they get a free pass.  A $400.00 detector that is sub par in performance against the other two in the price range. Deus put together a group of guys years ago and Minelab also and look at what they have done. The Deus group was new to detector development.....they set the bar...

Could you tell us about the issues with the Equinox other companies have mastered... Build quality? Leaking?

 

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Forgot about the Sovereign. I was thinking it started with the Quattro. Probably don't want to start comparing the Apex to the older Minelab lineup. Might look even worse. Even if they can fix the audio and separation issues, it is still just an average detector. Probably need to test it against the Ace 400.

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