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It looks like you are comparing Apex MSRPs to Vanquish MAPs.  Ebay is always a quick and reliable way to find MAP's.  From what I can tell from there, the two fully loaded models are the same price.  The difference being that 'fully loaded' includes two coils for the Vanquish vs. one for the Apex.

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Vanquish 540 with V12 coil $369

Garrett Apex with Viper coil $424

Garrett Apex with Z-Lynk headphones $492

Vanquish 540 Pro Pack (adds second coil and wireless headphones) $499

Detector to detector the $369 Vanquish 540 is $55 less expensive than the Garrett Apex. Keep in mind the Apex has built in rechargeable batteries for the price. The basic 540 comes with four AA batteries. The Pro Pack includes four rechargeable AA batteries and a charger.

All Vanquish models have the same “engine” under the hood, so the less expensive Vanquish models will do just as well as the 540 if outfitted with the same coil. The Vanquish 340 with 5x8 coil is $199, and the Vanquish 440 with 7x10 coil is $279

Coil to coil, the Garrett Apex (6x11 coil) at $424 matches well with the Vanquish 440 (7x10 coil) at $279. The Vanquish 540 has a larger 8x12 coil and so gets a depth edge with the larger coil.

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I find in normal detecting scenarios for coins the Vanquish basically replicates the performance of the Equinox, so what you're seeing there in your mild soil test garden is exactly that, the Vanquish performing similar to the Equinox.  It's a shame you couldn't crank it's sensitivity right up on the day as that top notch sensitivity is amazing for depth but I guess you didn't need to, it destroyed the Apex anyway.  It is a shame you didn't use jewellery mode, I don't know why but for me it's the secret weapon of the Vanquish, I understand you picked Relic mode as you were trying to get depth, you didn't need to do that, it has the depth anyway but at least the modes on the Vanquish mean something, they're not just disc patterns 🙂

Something that people might be missing too is the Apex has a 2 year warranty, the Vanquish has a 3 year warranty, an extra year is pretty good.

Something that hit me in your rant at the end was about how some young kid with pocket money they've worked for a year for mowing lawns or something or elderly person using their social security money might be buying one of these detectors which is a big financial hit to them and there are undoubtedly Garrett "people" over promoting their products indicating they're far better than they actually are, and they get away with it as the people are unlikely to ever personally see the difference so they believe what they see. 

It is disappointing that this takes place so often with metal detectors  It's not Garrett directly saying their gear is fantastic, it's the people that are in some way associated with them by free gear or whatever it is.  I don't see Nokta, XP or Minelab doing these artificial promotions all over Youtube and social media like Garrett appears to be involved with, the guys in their fancy Garrett hats and T-shirts with their free Apex saying how great it is, they probably even have Garrett underwear!

I think Garrett were a little bit careful with the marketing of the Apex, I am sure during development they were constantly comparing it to the Vanquish, they knew what they were releasing so they kept their claims about it to a minimum instead letting the "promoters" be the deceptive fall guys doing the marketing.  I even watched an Aussie promoter in his Garrett hat doing a very dodgy video about it with silver coins in Queensland near the beach that was posted on the forum, you could see right through him and his marketing.

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Maybe the acquisition of the Whites IP will goose Garrett into developing/releasing something compelling.

They have improved on some elements of the ergonomics and desirable features (frequency selection, form factor, wireless, rechargeable batteries) over the stale AT series with the APEX design.  Now they need to work on performance, especially recovery speed, tones, and ID at depth and utilize more sophisticated signal processing to really take advantage of what Multi has to offer.  They can use their leverage, production infrastructure, and market share to potentially make it more affordable than the imports.

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17 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Maybe the acquisition of the Whites IP will goose Garrett into developing/releasing something compelling.

Well, they went from having an AT Gold to now having one of if not the best gold prospecting VLF detectors on the market in both a land and waterproof version so I hope they continue with it and even develop it further with some of their technologies like their wireless audio.  I hope they keep the TRX as it complements the Carrot being more sensitive to small targets but as Geotech said it's difficult to manufacturer so they may dump it.

Difficult gear to make has to cut into profitability.

I think the reason the aftermarket guys never bothered to make Gold Bug 2 coils was how difficult they are to make, they look like fireworks going off in them, it couldn't be cheap to manufacturer, thanks to strick for the X-rays.

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Maybe White's older multi frequency patents if they exist will help them with the AT Multi frequency replacement.  I want Garrett to succeed.

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1 hour ago, phrunt said:

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and there are undoubtedly Garrett "people" over promoting their products indicating they're far better than they actually are, and they get away with it as the people are unlikely to ever personally see the difference so they believe what they see. 

It is disappointing that this takes place so often with metal detectors  It's not Garrett directly saying their gear is fantastic, it's the people that are in some way associated with them by free gear or whatever it is.  I don't see Nokta, XP or Minelab doing these artificial promotions all over Youtube and social media like Garrett appears to be involved with, the guys in their fancy Garrett hats and T-shirts with their free Apex saying how great it is, they probably even have Garrett underwear!

I think Garrett were a little bit careful with the marketing of the Apex, I am sure during development they were constantly comparing it to the Vanquish, they knew what they were releasing so they kept their claims about it to a minimum instead letting the "promoters" be the deceptive fall guys doing the marketing.  I even watched an Aussie promoter in his Garrett hat doing a very dodgy video about it with silver coins in Queensland near the beach that was posted on the forum, you could see right through him and his marketing.

Yes it is never a good idea to hide the reality. It wont be long before the Apex new users realize that the machine is not the fantastic machine promoted in the videos . This is already the case over here in France , my seller told me that he already has a lot of negative feedbacks on it . Probably because European users often detect in high iron trashed areas where it is the most difficult for the detectors  .

Garrett should spend more time on the product itself than on the marketing , I think that they released the Apex too early,  they should have done more testing , this by experienced unbiased users .. I hope  that they will quickly improve the perfos of the Apex ; audio , tones , etc ... with a software update.  Wait and see ..

Concerning the comparison with the Vanquish yes on mild clean soils the Vanquish is better than the Apex. However the Vanquish is not a perfect detector especially on high iron trashed areas where I find it difficult to use compared to a Deus/Orx or F75/T2 for example.

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Yea if you watch the Apex introduction video by Garrett it states the Aoex is the pinnacle of affordable metal detection. That it has fast recovery speed and excellent detection depth. These kind of statements are what mislead buyers and the testers play right along with the hype instead of giving a unbiased review. Obviously users are finding the Apex doesn't live up to Garrett's claims. I have no issue with it being a mid-priced detector but it also should be marketed that way as there are quite a few lower priced detectors that perform better. Garrett should have stuck with marketing the improved looks and modern features and left the other stuff out IMO.

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