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On 4/12/2021 at 6:52 AM, Northeast said:

I think I have missed that somewhere.  Has X-coils changed hands?   

From what i can make out there were 2 partners in the X-coils business. One decided to sell his share. I would be interested to know if they both had coil building experience (the original owners)

Reg Wilson (ex dealer wrote this)

I discovered that the Russian partnership competed with each other and he wanted me to be his dealer and to sell all Xcoils. This to me seemed a mad arrangement. Then the partner (Elnur) who had been supplying Dave sold his share and Dave got the chop and Simon got dealt out of the picture. The new partner (Alex) would appoint a new agent (you there Jonathon?) to compete against me, who at that stage was the remaining agent.
To add to the madness both Russian partners had websites supplying direct at retail. So I had to compete with them as well. 

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typo - probably more so dont judge me, lol - come last in English at school.
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Not sure where to post this but Steve can move it if necessary: I've been wandering central Victoria for the last two weeks with this proto 22" Z X Coil concentric and results are impressive, to

In reasonably homogeneous ground Normal is going to work OK, its when the ground becomes variable and constantly changing that the Normal timings will leave a lot of gold in the ground. I’ve tested th

Thanks Gerry. Back home now. I ended up with a couple of ounces more than I left with, so covered costs at least: Largest piece was this stained 22 grammer in noisy tertiary ironstone c

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15 hours ago, jrbeatty said:

I'll be looking for different targets with the 26"

The big loops were excellent at locating very large pieces (10 oz plus) at good depth (3/4 foot or more) I doubt they missed many, certainly not on the ground I've followed up on ever since. 

They were less sensitive to smaller pieces (ounce or less) at similar depth, and it's mainly these I will be targeting. The big CC's also punch deep but, due to the narrow field at depth, you need to be almost exactly over the target to hear it. The DOD (and monoloops) are far more forgiving in this respect.

Ok, hope the 26" turns out to be a winner. 

 

15 hours ago, jrbeatty said:

Out of interest, the last "Big Loop" I had experience with was used by John Hider Smith just before he retired from prospecting in the late 90's.

Can you shed some light on why John retired from prospecting? Did he just grow tired of it?

My old man used to be an abalone diver. He said it killed his love of diving that he had from an early age. I guess doing something day in - day out takes the joy out something after a while.

For me prospecting is my life. The bush is my retreat from the pressures of business and all the other things in life. Couldn't give a hoot about the financial gain but find the challenge of finding something so elusive stimulating. The joy of seeing Kangaroos, echidnas, lizard, deer, NOT SNAKES makes me love being out in the bush. Its actually the only time my mind is peaceful and doesn't have a million thoughts going on at once.

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7 hours ago, jasong said:

Roof "pendant", different beast than a pediment. :wink: We have a few similar places in Arizona.

Who owns X Coils now? Are they still Russian?

Pardon my spelling, Shouldn't type when tired, but that's when I have the time!

My most recent understanding is that my friend Ilya and Alex (who I don't know) now control X Coils and market separately through their respective websites:

Ilya's website: https://www.x-coils.net/

Alex's website: https://www.x-coils.com/

Of course this may have changed recently- 

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59 minutes ago, Jin said:

- - - To my surprise it was a loud response at ground level compared to the faint repeatable (easily missed) groan at the start.

And that demonstrates why air tests are useless. Goldfield soils block signals.

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30 minutes ago, Jin said:

Can you shed some light on why John retired from prospecting? Did he just grow tired of it?

Yep. Easy one. 

Once the big gold ran low in the 90's, John sold his gold and specialised equipment, took the money and ran - :)

Acting upon advice from friend Jim Stewart, he wisely invested it in tourist parks along Victoria's "Shipwreck coast"  I haven't seen him for a couple of years but looking forward to catching up with him eventually -

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I should make a note and say that the official response I posted about X-coils today was sent to me 15 minutes before I posted it.  It was not signed so I don't know who wrote it.  It came from X-coils.com

Mitchel

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9 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Within this big 'patch' one of my favorite indicators to slow and grid became what I now call 'mottled granite' more than quartz.  If I saw this orange tinged granite pieces or soil it gave me many nuggets there over a couple of year period of time

I made the exact same observation, and even better when those super hot rocks are around as well together with the granite you are mentioning. Especially near the Desert Queen claim, not far away from Coolgardie. With quartz I never got lucky there.  It is a most amazing landscape. Mostly sand, but then all of the sudden these extreme hot rocks show up which scream like beer cans, occasionally together with granite. This entire area gave me many small nuggets, but all <=0.1-0.2 g, unfortunately without exception! A big concentric, like the 22 X, could perhaps punch down to the Caliche in some places where more of the gold is supposed to be. Would love to try out.

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Here is what this area looks like. Caliche is a couple of feet down in some places but with small gold only, perhaps within reach of the 22X?

 

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10 minutes ago, Gold Catcher said:

Here is what this area looks like. Caliche is a couple of feet down in some places but with small gold only, perhaps within reach of the 22X?

 

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That’s much the same sort of ground I was detecting in yesterday in FNQ, with the occasional piece of quartz around (very few and far between). Managed two nice little bits. 
 

Still unsure of the X-Coils and not sure I could bring myself to risk the warranty on my machine, but going by their performance so far demonstrated, they’d probably be a good match for where I was.

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2 hours ago, Gold Catcher said:

 A big concentric, like the 22 X, could perhaps punch down to the Caliche in some places where more of the gold is supposed to be. Would love to try out.

GC: Only one way to find out!

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