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Chase,

I'll look forward to your impressions once you have a bit more experience with it in the square nails.

It's interesting that you are experimenting with higher iron bias; I may have to do a bit of testing with that as well, in my square-nail-infested PA church yard, that I expect to be hunting this week.  For sure, though, I'm going to try single frequency, 20 kHz and maybe 40 kHz, to see if I can make those square nails sound more like nails, and less like deep silver.

Steve

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1 minute ago, steveg said:

Chase,

I'll look forward to your impressions once you have a bit more experience with it in the square nails.

It's interesting that you are experimenting with higher iron bias; I may have to do a bit of testing with that as well, in my square-nail-infested PA church yard, that I expect to be hunting this week.  For sure, though, I'm going to try single frequency, 20 kHz and maybe 40 kHz, to see if I can make those square nails sound more like nails, and less like deep silver.

Steve

Yes, people really are afraid to dive into high IB settings. I think ML botched IB on the first go around with FE.  F2 is really effective with minimal down side from my experience.  F2 takes advantage of what Multi IQ brings to the table and should be exploited.

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IMO the key to running the 6" coil in iron trash is up the iron bias to F2-6. I've been hunting real trashy ghost towns with the 6" coil lately and have done quite well. iron bias at 6 will pretty much take care of most bottle caps and flat tin. The audio gets real ratty on those. The Equinox is one of the few detectors out there that will give a fairly accurate ID on an item co-located to iron. It doesn't unmask as well as the Deus. But you will dig less trash with it when set up correctly. You do need to play with recovery speed and sensitivity based on site conditions as well.

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With F2 6 your separation goes down. Yes it does run a lot smoother but you will miss some targets. F2 0 is best but if all the iron falsing is driving you crazy turn it up to 6.

It would be nice to see a video comparison of F2 6 and single frequency in iron trash.

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44 minutes ago, Rick N. MI said:

With F2 6 your separation goes down. Yes it does run a lot smoother but you will miss some targets. F2 0 is best but if all the iron falsing is driving you crazy turn it up to 6.

It would be nice to see a video comparison of F2 6 and single frequency in iron trash.

Yes your separation does go down. But everything is a compromises. The Deus does better in older iron like square nails, not so good in bottle cap and flat tin strewn areas. The audio can be learned though and that type of junk passed over, takes some practice. The Equinox on the other hand doesn't handle square nails as well but is much better in flat tin and bottle caps (with the right settings). So the question is...are you going to put up with all the noise, which results in audio fatigue and before you know it your head is in a fog and your no longer hearing the good signals. Or do you use the right machine/settings for the site? Yea you may miss some stuff but not as much as if your head is no longer in the game.

I just got back from a 3 day trip to Nevada hunting ghost towns and Military camps. The sites ranged in date from the late 1860's to the 1940's. We hunted 10 hours a day for 3 days straight and believe me you will get audio fatigue hunting that much. I took 4 machines, the Deus, ORX, Equinox 800 and Nokta Makro Simplex. Used all 4 of them depending on the site, found good stuff with all of them as well.

Like Hugh said, people are afraid to dive into high iron bias settings. But from my experience the tradeoff isn't as bad as people think.

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1 hour ago, Rick N. MI said:

With F2 6 your separation goes down. Yes it does run a lot smoother but you will miss some targets. F2 0 is best but if all the iron falsing is driving you crazy turn it up to 6.

It would be nice to see a video comparison of F2 6 and single frequency in iron trash.

Which single freq would you like to see compared Multi in iron and trash?

I might do a video.

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3 hours ago, Rick N. MI said:

With F2 6 your separation goes down. Yes it does run a lot smoother but you will miss some targets. F2 0 is best but if all the iron falsing is driving you crazy turn it up to 6.

At least in my experience. Sweep speed control combined with recovery will dictate separation. Those two items alone should be able to over come any IB setting.  

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Here is one of Tnsharpshooter's video I just watched showing a dime and nail. 5 khz performed the best. I wonder why 15 & 20 khz didn't work well. Generally in iron you want a higher freq. So maybe for an iron test 4 khz would work best. It's strange taking 4 khz in iron. I think you need to try all the single frequencies now.

 

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4 hours ago, abenson said:

So the question is...are you going to put up with all the noise, which results in audio fatigue and before you know it your head is in a fog and your no longer hearing the good signals. Or do you use the right machine/settings for the site? Yea you may miss some stuff but not as much as if your head is no longer in the game.

Yes, yes, yes this!  Sometimes I feel like I am the only one preaching this.  Don't fear iron bias.  We tend to freak out on corner cases - the "silent" roll of silver quarters because I am in Multi, the one dime just a tad too close and masked by the now-non falsing square nail because I cranked IB.  Instead of the 30 bent square nails I am now not digging because they no longer false high.  But unlike disc, IB doesn't silence the ferrous target, it just makes it less iffy.  You can still hear it and decide if you want to dig it because you are hearing a non-ferrous blip or whatever.  Turn on the target & sweep, hit it with single frequency if you want and then make a dig decision.

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