Thinking about pulling the trigger on a pair of these Quest headphones. They say they can be used in the rain which is huge for me as I mostly beach hunt in all weather. They are made specifically to pair with the Equinox. Can anyone share any first hand experience with the build/sound quality?
I just received my Pelso headphones and really like them! The thing I noticed was that there was no right or left designated on the ear pieces as all other headphones have. Does it matter which way I wear them on the Nox? I didn't know if the signal / target would be affected by this. I did figure out which ear is which by plugging the Pelso's into my phone and watching a YouTube video that has audio to determine right and left channel. The cord on the Pelso's would have to be worn on the left, which is the right channel. This makes the cord on the opposite of where I would like it for connection purposes. Any thoughts?
By Chase Goldman
Came across an interesting article regarding Qualcomm's latest incarnation of it APTX BT audio codec called "APTX Adaptive". The technology from a purely technical standpoint is simply amazing. Instead of fixed bitrate modes (e.g., APTX - Classic, APTX-HD, APTX-LL), APTX-Adaptive evaluates and scales the best bit rate based on the situation and adjusts on the fly, including incorporating low latency by default. Cool right? However, diving into the specifics, it appears there may be a few gotchas. Notably, the low latency capabilities of APTX adaptive are not quite as good as APTX-LL and backwards compatibility - from the article:
Regarding low latency:
"[APTX Adaptive's] Algorithm latency is also down to less than 2ms at 48kHz, with a system round trip falling somewhere between 50 and 80ms depending on the implementation. This isn’t quite as fast as Low Latency’s sub 40ms speed but should be virtually imperceivable. Other codecs can reach over 200ms latency, and even the old aptX clocked in at around 150ms."
Regarding backwards compatibility:
"Speaking of latency, aptX Low Latency is being retired after the launch of Adaptive, which has some implications for backward compatibility. When connecting to Low Latency devices, Adaptive will default back to aptX Classic. In other instances, aptX Adaptive simply matches the capabilities and bitrate of the Classic or HD-capable device, so product transition should be seamless."
What does all this mean for ML detectors and the folks who own them?
Well there are gaps in the article's explanation of APTX Adaptive's implementation, but the key takeaway is the statement that APTX-LL is being retired. What this practically means is that 3rd party headphone companies will gradually shift to implementing APTX Adaptive and releasing phones with that tech while phones with APTX-LL will be harder to come by as the APTX-LL phones are retired from manufacturers' product lines. 3rd party APTX-LL compatible headsets are already a relatively rare breed. This will just eventually exacerbate that situation.
All the existing APTX-LL compatible gear will still continue to work with both APTX-LL and APTX Adaptive phones, but at some point, the APTX-LL phones will wear out, break or get lost and getting a 3rd party, direct APTX-LL replacent will be hard if your favorite phones are no longer manufactured. ML will support breakage of their ML branded APTX-LL under warranty and I suspect, ML will continue to stock their marked up phones for post warranty purchase, for the foreseeable future to support their active detector product lines using APTX-LL wireless.
It appears APTX Adaptive phones should work with the ML APTX LL detectors, the big question mark is whether their latency will default to APTX Classic birate AND latency at 150 ms (compared to APTX-LL's 40 ms latency) is not entirely clear in the article [this would be noticeable and bad] or will simply use APTX Adaptive's 50-80 ms latency and APTX Classic's birate which would be OK, but not quite as good as APTX-LL. What is also not clear is whether full APTX Adaptive backwards compatibility requires the new Qualcomm chip on the transmitter (in this case the detector) which would be a non-starter for ML, a firmware upgrade to the existing BT chip in the detector, or nothing at all needs to be done. I suspect the latter, but I am just guessing.
Overall, this is the flip side of hitching your wagon to a pseudo industry standard compatible technology where you have less control over future obsolescence (but a better and more economical selection of third party hardware) vs. using your own, less universally compatible proprietary hardware/software. ML makes their proprietary solutions such as Wi Stream wireless audio even more cumbersome by not providing universal compatibility across their own detector lines. Manufacturer-specific proprietary tech is one thing, making it detector specific is a whole other level of suck. I was encouraged to see ML going solely with APTX-LL wireless audio on the GPX 6000.
I just hope ML they did their homework and asked some pointed questions of Qualcomm before Adaptive was announce and before committing to APTX-LL for the GPX 6000 regarding future backward compatibility as Qualcomm evolved the APTX tech and got the right answers that put the questions I posed above to bed as non-issues... We'll see.
By Chase Goldman
With the release of the GPX 6000 along with the Vanquish and Equinox, thought I would provide an updated summary of several known compatible Bluetooth APTX-LL headphones of various types, features, and price points for consideration thanks to other forum members (e.g., F350 Platinum) here who have played guinea pig and purchased/verified compatibility and performance:
Avantree solid all around BT APTX-LL phones, over the ear type:
If you want some decent light weight BT APTX-LL phones withe great "Soundblaster" quality audio, try these Creative phones on for size - occasionally they run flash sales on these and they can be had cheaper (note they are light but "on the ear" style which some may not like especially for long detecting sessions:
Decent over the ear BT APTX-LL phones as a less expensive alternative to the Avantrees above:
If you are interested in earbud style phones these two pairs of phones are comfortable, sweat resistant, and have great audio (I like the Glazata N9 neckband style, less stress on the interconnecting wire, but the Pawws are at an unbeatable price):
The following are a unique "convertible" torus neckband style that can be switched into local wearable "speaker" mode (the closeup soundstage sounds great even with "quiet" tones and is less annoying to others around you than running the speaker on your detector) or you can switch them into earbud mode for private listening too. Note that these are not water resistant. Cool but pricey.
If you are detecting near surf or in windy conditions the following BT APTX-LL phones are pricey (though the Pawws are 50% off right now) but have great audio PLUS active noise cancellation (so you can really hear faint audio tones) though they are not designed to get wet:
Finally, these Quest detecting phones are purpose built for the Equinox (but compatible with any BT APTX-LL transmitter such as those built into the Vanquish 540 or GPX 6000) and are weather/water resistant (but not submersible) and pretty rugged for dirty, wet conditions, also with great BT APTX-LL audio:
Wireless is definitely the way to go with as long as you are not doing submerged water hunting, which necessitates waterproof wired phones.
Pair the above with any of a number of diminutive BT APTX-LL transmitters or receiver/transmitters (e.g., https://www.amazon.com/TROND-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Headphones-Simultaneously/dp/B01B4W40VC/ref=sr_1_3?crid=32YIIDCD94VQX&dchild=1&keywords=trond+aptx+low+latency+transmitter&qid=1626913077&sprefix=Trond+aptx%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-3) and you have a cost effective wireless audio solution for any detector that uses a standard or mini headphone jack.
HTH and Good Luck. Feel free to post any additional rekko's in the thread.
By Ridge Runner
I’ve been wanting to use the pig tail that comes with my Tarsacci but at the same time I wanted the new Sun Ray Pro Gold headphones to go with it. I just like being able to unplug from my Tarsacci anytime I want. The headphones have a universal plug that the 1/4” screws down over the 1/8” making it two plugs in one so to say. It also has a volume control for each ear that helps me a lot being the hearing in my right ear is not as good as the other.
If you’re wondering why it’s called a pig tail because it’s short like one.
One important thing you need to do is anchor the pig tail down to the shaft so not to be pulling directly on it . If you don’t it’s going to take a beating and not last long at all.
You can see in the picture below how I fixed that .The last picture as you can see is with the headphones plugged in.
PS The headphones came from Rob’s detectors .
I’m having huge interference from the Quest using it with both XP models .Changing frequency doesn’t help .It is quiet with the Nox .Any help is welcomed .
Also here in Canada having good success with G’s Sonar programme on the Deus ,though one needs to be vigilant with crown caps as they ring high tone .Pull tabs barely make high tone so are mostly recognizable , at least for me in my conditions .