Buyers need to beware there are a number of shapes and sizes of fake Nugget Finder and Coiltek GPX coils on the market at the moment out of China. The Commander coils have had fakes sitting on Chinese Auction sites for some time however more recently a large range of both Coiltek and Nugget Finder coils have become commonplace among sellers, from 8" to 25" they have them all. They've always had a few but lately the number of coils available has really skyrocketed. The Commanders have also the range of fakes available so really buying many second hand GPX coils now comes with a higher risk of fakes. People buying these coils from China likely are aware they're fake, if not they really should be, it's the people who buy them second hand off someone who bought one from China that I feel sorry for as they're the ones thinking they're getting a genuine coil, and paying the price for it too. If you're buying a second hand coil from someone, really try and get the purchase receipt to see it's genuine from a real dealer.
They're not being as bold with the advertising with the NF not putting the label on the photos but with the Coiltek they are, the likelihood is the Nugget Finder do have the label on them when you buy them or buyers that request them branded will get them that way, it's not like the Nugget Finder stickers would be a challenge for them to duplicate.
This poses quite an issue for those that buy second hand coils too, as you'll never know if you're getting a fake that someones bought from a Chinese auction site, found it to be terrible in performance and offloading it second hand for more than they paid for it when people are thinking it's a genuine coil so paying the normal second hand market price for it.
This stuff really annoys me so I like to make people aware of it when I stumble across it.
Some photos from the auction site
You'll note 50 orders of that coil from that seller, and all positive reviews, I'm not sure how that happens and I often question if the Auction site ratings are faked. See the stock levels, 950 pieces available, from just one seller of the many with them. Note all the different coils he's selling in the colour selection field, the bright blue ones are 8" Commanders, weirdly coloured, but other sellers have them in the standard colours. Also, to show what they're selling is what you get some of the buyers had put photos of their coil in their review, these are genuine reviews.
Note the guys fake GPX detector box in the background 🙂
A fake NF coil seller, he has various models too. This big sucker is a 25" mono.
They've even got stock of fake SDC coils.
And the VLF aftermarket manufacturers are also becoming targets, note below a fake Cors Strike coil (Nel Tornado) It's hard to know about the review system as the fake Nel doesn't have good reviews and only 2.5 star rating unlike the fake Coiltek with 5 star and 31 positive reviews.
So everyone needs to be very careful, not only buying second hand detectors which have many copies available especially First Texas, Whites and Minelab models but also when buying second hand coils, and if someone out there thinks maybe these coils work well, it's very unlikely, and you can bet they're not the quality of the originals too.
I have some places in the south where the soil is too bad to get very good depth. Any ideas?
By Gerry in Idaho
If you just purchased a gold detector are you most interested in the finding of any size of gold? Does the size of the gold have any effect on you or does it matter most if you go home with a few nuggets, no matter the size? Is it most important to be driving home from your prospecting trip and you have a few clinkers in your nugget holder? Or would you mind knowing you missed a few small pickers just to find a 1 grammer (a nugget). My asking this question comes to mind as of the last month and a half, I have seen more of my customers showing/sharing pics of Success with their GPX-6000 and many from Rye Patch and surrounding areas. Heck I have a few customers that are already over 100+ count. Nothing big, but they seem to be happy and to me that is what counts most.
What's most amazing to this long time 25+ yr detectorist of Rye Patch is the new PI technology of the GPX-6000 and how it's changing my mind and how I sell detectors. You see, I used to say if I wanted to find 10+ pieces of gold a day, I could easily do it with a VLF and small coil. Heck, I used to have many 25 to 30 and an occasional 40 piece day with said VLF. When I would run a PI, the last 10 yrs there at RP, a 10 nugget day is extremely rare, but I've done it. The SDC-2300 really opened some old patches and 10+ days came back. Then those went away and the GPZ-7000 came out. It certainly opened up the old patches again, but even 10 a day was really tough, but I did it more times than most can imagine. Now today, a 10 nugget day at RP with a SD/GP/GPX-5000 is almost failure. In fact I would not even try it. Even with a VLF at RP today, I think a 10 piece day is tough and I doubt but only a few can do it. Here is the catch though. If I did run a VLF to find 10 pickers, I'd have maybe a gram of gold at most = approx $50.
Now here is what I'm seeing. The folks who go out there with the new technology PI GPX-6000 is literally tearing it up. Many customers are having their best Success in numbers that they have ever had at Rye Patch. Quite a few of them have had 10+ nugget days, but they never had a 10+ day with their GPZ-7000? No they are not finding the 1 or 2 gram nuggets of old, but they are certainly finding $100 and some even more each day. Heck I'm even getting customers who have yet to take my training going down and finding a few pieces with their GPX-6000 and that was unheard of in times past.
The GPX-6000 right now is the #1 producer for gold at Rye Patch and all other previous patches. The GPX-6000 will be doing the same thing this winter is Arizona at all the worked patches and there will be many happy customers. Will there be GPZ-7000's out there in the field, most certainly, but their numbers will not be up even close to what the 6000's will be. Can I find gold at RP right now with a GPZ-7000, YES and I have done it for the last 7 yrs. Each fall I go down and find an ounce of nuggets with a 7. Each year it has gotten harder and harder and last Fall it actually took a couple extra days, but I hit my 1 ounce mark. There lies the problem, it has been out for 7 yrs and for 7 years all the old patches have been covered again and again with a GPZ-7000. From Rye Patch to AZ all the known nugget producing areas have been flogged and if you want to have Success, you better step over to new technology if you want best chance of Success or you can keep swinging the 7 and possibly get lucky for a 1 grammer or 2.
As a dealer who sells detectors, I feel Success no matter the size of nuggets is best for my customers, especially the new ones just getting involved.
BTW, If anyone is interested, I know of a couple used GPZ-7000s at nice prices (less than the cost of a GPX-6000), just email me for details.
So I ask you again. Going home with any nuggets possible to show Success or 1 nugget of a gram or don't care as you got to go prospecting and the gold is just a bonus? There's a twist.
Looking to hear your answers and I know Australia will be different perspective, which is totally acceptable.
By Erik Oostra
There’s a lot of posts on this forum of prospectors complaining that gold is getting harder to find.. It’s not just that their favourite patches have run dry but also that the size of nuggets found is getting smaller.. This has made me wonder if beach hunters are catching up in the amount of gold recovered each year? If their posts are anything to go by, the amount of gold jewellery found on popular beaches is pretty mind boggling..
I realise that the purity of gold in its natural form is higher but often when it’s made into jewellery it becomes more valuable, especially when a piece of jewellery also has gemstones in it (like diamonds, rubies or sapphires).. So I guess this question is twofold: which of these two groups recovers the most gold by weight? And which group can make the most profit from their finds?
By Erik Oostra
A recent post offering advice to newbies has inspired me to put in my own two cents worth.. My advice to those wanting to take up metal detecting is: Don’t! You’ll be far better off trying another hobby like banging your head against a brick wall, pulling out your hair in sheer frustration, or crying yourself to sleep at night..
Of course I’m only joking but any newbie has to prepare for the never-ending toil of digging junk, lots of it.. If you can handle this without having a nervous breakdown or flinging your detector out to sea, you’ll be amply rewarded when you finally hear that magic sound telling you there’s buried treasure below your feet.. A hard-won experience like no other! Metal detecting truly is a game where dogged determination and persistence will eventually pay off..
The only problem is that when you finally get to this stage, all you’ll ever think and dream about is metal detecting.. Your marriage will fail and your kids will starve but none of this matters as long as you can get a few more swings in.. In metal detecting there’s no such thing as an unhealthy obsession.. A house filled to the brim with all the latest detectors that you’ll never use is not weird at all.. Just rest assured that there’s many others just like you!