Deus 2 Vs Nokta/Makro Legend

[Guest Tnsharpshooter]

Deus 2 is consuming lots of oxygen.  Will consume even more with little more time.  May be little oxygen left for consumption.  If you get my drift.

[mn90403]

I haven't read all of this thread or most of the others.  My question is ... do I detect in areas where all of this really makes any difference?

I use an 800 on a tide beach with a 15 inch coil.  I dig most things.  I think the 17" CTX is its equal most of the time.  Will any 11" coil be worth my time?

I don't think so.

Mitchel

[Chase Goldman]

15 minutes ago, mn90403 said:

I haven't read all of this thread or most of the others.  My question is ... do I detect in areas where all of this really makes any difference?

I use an 800 on a tide beach with a 15 inch coil.  I dig most things.  I think the 17" CTX is its equal most of the time.  Will any 11" coil be worth my time?

I don't think so.

Mitchel

Performance wise, probably not, though the chain demo was impressive.  XP does make a coverage coil larger than the 11".  I think the only difference is 1.5 lbs less wear and tear on your swing arm.

[palzynski]

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Performance wise, probably not, though the chain demo was impressive.  XP does make a coverage coil larger than the 11".  I think the only difference is 1.5 lbs less wear and tear on your swing arm.

Exactly the Deus2 outperforms the competition regarding the weight/detection cumfort. Equinox 1.26kg , Legend 1,4kg ? , Deus2 0.75kg .  And the D2 seems to be excellent in the iron trash too . Adding to this the IP68 protection ... At least 3 good reasons to have a D2 ...

The only downside I see for the D2 is the lack of a small coil like the Deus1 11X6 elliptical HF . But as XP has already the mold it wont be long before they release one for the D2 ...

 

[phrunt]

Nokta did release an update on Facebook where Dilek come on explaining the tardiness of the Legend, it's the testers which are requesting changes with it, but the changes aren't to do with the detector working well, it works perfectly as they expected it would according to Dilek, the changes are just little things with software that they wanted adjusted but not related to performance.  So now it's not being shipped in December, or very unlikely to be and will maybe be January, or who knows when.  I wonder why the testers took so long to give this feedback.

There are no videos of it being used due to Nokta not allowing them to put them up, meanwhile Deus videos all over the place and people are impressed with the Deus videos and wanting one and even ordering it from the video results, the Legend is missing out on publicity.

The way I figure it if these tweaks are "minor" and the detector works perfectly why not ship it, that's why it has USB updating is it not, for little software tweaks and changes.  There is no way in the world they'd want to delay it for little user interface changes and let Deus take all the glory, first to the post often wins, especially with sales.  It's just not ready which is fine, if it's not ready that's how it is.

She did say the manual will be coming very soon, but also had the same maybe.

I've decided on a Deus, I've already got an Equinox, I want something different.

[Guest calabash digger]

WOW PHRUNT! That post says a whole lot about the legend...Really they  should have named it the Titanic.....🤔 Read between the lines...

[Guest calabash digger]

5 hours ago, mn90403 said:

I haven't read all of this thread or most of the others.  My question is ... do I detect in areas where all of this really makes any difference?

I use an 800 on a tide beach with a 15 inch coil.  I dig most things.  I think the 17" CTX is its equal most of the time.  Will any 11" coil be worth my time?

I don't think so.

Mitchel

The weight alone is worth switching. There will be a big coil coming. Look at the release video.

[strick]

9 hours ago, mn90403 said:

I haven't read all of this thread or most of the others.  My question is ... do I detect in areas where all of this really makes any difference?

I use an 800 on a tide beach with a 15 inch coil.  I dig most things.  I think the 17" CTX is its equal most of the time.  Will any 11" coil be worth my time?

I don't think so.

Mitchel

when you start putting 11" or larger coils on the Deus it becomes very Nose heavy...the ergonomics are perfect for the 9 inch coil...I sold one of my early deus's with the 11 inch coil due to this reason...with the 9 inch coils or smaller it's one of the nicest detectors to swing...I'll most likely be getting one however my reasons are not for beach use...If you got into some good erosion with targets everywhere it would be a detector to grab for sure. 

strick 

[Steve Herschbach]

I’ll stay with smaller coils with Deus, and use other machines for large coils.

phrunt said:

”Nokta did release an update on Facebook where Dilek come on explaining the tardiness of the Legend, it's the testers which are requesting changes with it, but the changes aren't to do with the detector working well, it works perfectly as they expected it would according to Dilek, the changes are just little things with software that they wanted adjusted but not related to performance.  So now it's not being shipped in December, or very unlikely to be and will maybe be January, or who knows when.  I wonder why the testers took so long to give this feedback.”

Despite all the time in development, this does feel rushed. XP obviously have their ducks better in a row in this release. It makes me wonder if Nokta got wind of the XP release, and moved their date up to try and beat them to the punch.

The marketing pitch is also very different, with NM specifically going after competitors, and in effect saying “look, we made an Equinox also, and for far less money.” The sales pitch is mainly about being inexpensive.

XP is taking a higher road in two ways. First, no mention really of the competition, just focused on their detector and it’s features. I like that. Tell me what you have, forget the other guy. And they are doing it with a detailed manual, and a flood of videos. Legend has no manual yet? That alone tells you it’s still “in progress” along with the delay due to changes still being made, while D2 is shipping now. How long has it been since we saw a new detector that was basically ready to ship right after it was announced? Seems forever.

And price. It’s a funny thing. People hate to spend money, but we also tend to think we are getting what we pay for. A low price is nice, but it can also constrain a design. Even if that’s not true, low price still tends to say “cheap” in peoples minds, and that’s not necessarily good. XP charging what they are for the Deus II actually makes me more interested in it, not less. I have a Equinox and so pitching me a lower price knockoff is not working. That’s aimed more at new people buying a first detector, not me. I want the best, and am willing to pay for it.

I’m not trying to give Nokta a hard time here. It’s just that marketing is my thing, and I like analyzing it. It just is what it is. In this case, it seems to me that XP, probably just though some luck in timing, really stole the wind from the Legends sails. Both the style and execution of the release also appeals more to me, and obviously to others. Now, keep in mind that this forum is a pretty elite crowd. The end result in the general retail market might be different, as the vast number of detectors actually sold are lower price models, and Nokta stands to put a huge dent in that with Legend. But with the higher end crowd, I expect it to skew heavily to Deus II, as XP is doing things in a way that appeals more to that crowd. I for one really appreciate the tech heavy manual and Gary’s videos.

[mh9162013]

26 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

XP charging what they are for the Deus II actually makes me more interested in it, not less.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm the exact opposite.

For the Deus II's MSRP, there's almost no way I'd consider using it given how and where I currently hunt. Even if I somehow won the lottery, I probably wouldn't buy it. Or if found some naive seller who was letting a Deus II go for $200, I wouldn't keep it; I'd flip it.

Once a machine breaks the $1,000 barrier, it's really hard for me to justify buying it unless I have a really special (and profitable) application for it.

This is just me, though.