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4 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Both the ML80 and the CB have been replaced with brand new ones by ML without any discussion ...

I too have had perfect warranty service from Minelab on my vast array of warranty claims, other than the inconvenience I have little to complain about, their service agent in NZ is fantastic.  It'd still be better not to need warranty claims all the time 🙂

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On 11/20/2021 at 9:23 AM, RobNC said:

Well I can tell you that in my area there is at least 1 moron who leaves pits and never fills the holes they dig. For a long time I wondered who was doing it but found out for sure who it was. The guy lied about it, blaming it on some other random individual when it was he who was carrying a regular variety garden shovel and digging the holes that day! To see more idiots like that out and destroying grass giving us all a bad name is not something I would want.

When you start talking about lower detector prices causing a flood of new people, I don't think they need to buy a Nokta to be an idiot. They have plenty of options available today already that are much cheaper. An idiot leaving craters around is an idiot, whether he/she is swinging a $50 detector or a $5,000 detector. The idea that expensive detectors can only be afforded by the "elite detector professionals" is also a bunch of garbage. Stupidity and crater diggers have no dollar value, they are found at every level!

Good lord this brought back some smiles and tears ! Just because 1 has money doesn't make them smart. Flashed back to my blackjack days. Took me years to finally make it to high limit where I had some killer runs and some suicidal losses. About 25 years ago , I'm at the Bellagio sitting at a $500 minimum table by myself , up about 13k from my $5k buy in. There were empty tables all around me. When this guy sits down with a 25k buy in. Well...in about 10 minutes we were both tapped out. I wanted to strangle him ! But it was his play that irked me the most. I thought nobody would ever sit at a 500 table and not know what they were doing. Maybe he was a shill , a cooler , didn't care , my stupidity , idk. But this really opened my eyes on life and $. Anyways , shortly thereafter I pretty much gave up the game. Seldom ever play it. Sorry to rant away , but it is relatable. 

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On 11/20/2021 at 9:58 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

This is a battle I’m going to sit out. I’m content with Equinox as my secondary detector, and plan to spend nearly all my detecting hours in 2022 running my GPX 6000 as my primary detector. If at some point a consensus arises that any of these new detectors might have anything I need versus the Equinox, then maybe I’ll pull the trigger on one. Frankly, the only thing I could wish for is better ability to separate ferrous from non-ferrous in highly mineralized ground.

The Deus II has my eye the most, given it’s possibility of putting the best of Deus and Equinox in a single package, and one that is more ergonomic than the Equinox. Many people including myself have opined that having both a Deus and an Equinox is really a perfect solution, each filling gaps where the other is weak. The Legend seems more like a step sideways, whereas the Deus 2 is possibly a step up. If enough people think the Deus 2 can match Multi-IQ, then I’ll take a closer look. An upgrade that allows use of a 6x10 coil would help seal the deal.

I am very interested in this battle .  To be honest I am hoping the Deus will be a one and done detector for me. I will have the Deus 2 and Legend in head to heads as soon as I can get my hands on them. I know everyone wants to see them so I will do preset programs head to heads first till I learn whats up with both machines and how to get the most from both.

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4 hours ago, calabash digger said:

I am very interested in this battle .  To be honest I am hoping the Deus will be a one and done detector for me. I will have the Deus 2 and Legend in head to heads as soon as I can get my hands on them. I know everyone wants to see them so I will do preset programs head to heads first till I learn whats up with both machines and how to get the most from both.

Have fun. I’ve got a Deus 2 on the way so the battle is already done and over as far as I’m concerned, but I’m sure you’ll get the views you are looking for. I’m glad you are feeling well and feisty again! :smile:

I’m quite happy with my Equinox. I understand all the leakage issues that have left you wanting, but mine rarely goes underwater, and so that problem is not bugging me as it is you. But I see why you really need something you can rely on more for underwater use.

The Legend seems too similar to really get my interest, just more of the same. Say what you want about XP, but they forge their own path and have their own unique design philosophy. I’m not particularly fond of the Equinox straight shaft design, and the Legend being the same is not a plus. I prefer S rods on machines under 4 lbs. straight shafts in machines over 4 lbs. Long story short it’s the rod design as much as anything that tips the scales for me, and has me going XP instead of NM. Sometimes it’s the simple things that make the difference.

I also don't mind the extra possibility of better waterproof integrity, and I'll bet on a 60 foot design versus as 10 foot design when it comes to that. The bone phones may be a real winner there also, for people who struggle with regular underwater headphone volume levels, as I have. Long story short it's not really a contest at all for me.

We already know that Equinox and Deus complement each other well. I’d love for the Deus 2 to replace both, but in my case the lack of very small and very large coils means I don’t see the Deus 2 actually replacing my Equinox. It will replace my Tarsacci for sure though, which I will be putting up for sale very soon. So for me this is more about Deus 2 replacing Tarsacci as my current “alternative in play” detector than anything else. But when I go gold prospecting, I'm still likely to grab my mini-Equinox with 6" round coil, and if I am headed to the UK to field hunt, I'm still likely to use my steveg balanced Equinox with 15x12 coil. So I'm just not sure where the Deus 2 is going to fit in, other than up at Tahoe in the water.

That's how I sort out machines. I have one I really use (Equinox), then get some alternative (Tarsacci, now Deus 2), and let the dust settle for about a year. Quickie tests don't work too well for me - I need time and use to reveal what's up with some machines. After about a year, I am either using a detector, or it sits while the other gets grabbed. I'm not grabbing Tarsacci anymore, so may as well sell it. A year from now, will I be grabbing Deus 2 or not? Time will tell.

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For the water hunters, the IP rating of the Deus 2 and Legend are IP68, however the Legend is only rated at 10 feet (the same as the Equinox) and the Deus 2 is rated at 60 feet.

To get an IP68 rating, a device only has to be dustproof and be able to keep water out to a depth of 4.92 feet for 30 minutes. An IP68 ratng does not guarantee a device to be dive worthy.

That might be the problem with some Noxes flooding and possibly the Legend following suit as well. An IP68 rated device might be good to 10 feet, but for how long? Is it possible many detectorists stay in water longer than 30 minutes? How long and how deep do detector companies test their machines in fresh water and salt water?

The Deus 2, on the other hand, far exceeds the 10 foot rating and directly addresses the pressure problem as well. The Deus 2 is a much higher end machine, IMHO, than the Legend and probably even the Equinox in many respects, and that may be reflected in the substantial price differential.

Still, as I look at the Deus 2 as a real contender, I will keep my Nox since I feel real comfortable with it after a few years. Learning a new machine is not a priority for me, so I'll bide my time, saving up all my Zincolns, while waiting for the first round to play out and see what else is coming into the ring. 😎

 

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On 11/20/2021 at 10:47 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

I’ll wait for a consensus to develop in maybe 6 months minimum after the machines hit users,...

3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Took, what, 2 days?  Steve, I give your views and opinions a lot of credibility but I will never again accept something like you said in the first sentence above.  :biggrin:  You've stated previously on multiple occasions (and shown that classic image) that you defintely reside in the early adopter tail.

Hope I'm not picking on you.  Some of us here feel like we know you enough to kid you and you won't take offense.

Bottom line is that your evaluation reports are among the few that I read with great interest.  Your history of owning every detector (supported in the USA) made in the last 30+ years that has a chance of being a contender combined with your early adoption style means we will get at least one reliable review early on.

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