New Minelab Manticore

[RoobyRoobyRoo]

9 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said:

C'mon Jen. We know your a looker. But there's gotta be more upstairs. What do you have against this machine or ML ? Seeing that you own a few already. Did they do you wrong ?

I never mentioned Minelab, I mentioned being at the point of diminishing returns on adding bells and whistles, Minelab or anyone else…. Physics are physics.

My feelings about Minelab are well know but in this case, I’m not being manufacturer specific.

[schoolofhardNox]

Did I hear on the video that the US price would be 1599 without tax??

[Chase Goldman]

33 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

It's funny, people have been saying that IB technology is at it's limits for a while now. I guess if you believe that, then no one will be creative enough to think outside the box.

Well, the raw depth thing is just physics and power - power is limited not by the power source but by ground reflection, especially in mineralized soils.  At practical power limits a near field EM wave at 5 khz (higher frequencies attenuate more) can only travel so far in the ground before it is attenuated to the degree that it cannot induce a detectable magnetic field in the target no matter how many fancy signal processing gymnastics you apply in the receive "circuit".  Many detectors can acquire a target at maximum depth, but what separates the best from the mediocre is ID reliability at depth.   In other words does Gokd ID as gold or iron at max detection depth.

But just because vlf raw detection depth is at its limits, that doesn't mean there are not innovations in detector tech.

The latest advances in detector tech performance have been improving recovery speed (mitigating masking - which is tge thing hiding most reachable targets now, not the amount of dirt between the target and coil), iron handling (SMF enabled biasing to mitigate falsing), filtering (disc and notch), ground/salt handling (SMF) and utilizing signal processing horsepower to leverage the advantages of SMF to improve target ID accuracy at depth and to reduce EMI.  The other innovations improve usability - multiple available modes, improved detector indications (target trace) and user interface, wireless audio, and improved ergonomics.

Maltivort should improve target ID accuracy at depth (improving effective depth if not raw depth) over Nox and bring significant Multi-IQ advantages (speed/iron handling) vs. CTX.  Is it going to be a good detector? Most certainly. 

Is it breaking new ground?  Only in the sense that it is likely merging the best features and performance attributes of Nox and CTX while adding a few additional, welcome bells and whistles.

[Chase Goldman]

4 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

Did I hear on the video that the US price would be 1599 without tax??

Yes.

[GB_Amateur]

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Looks like we got the Multi-IQ eTrac/CTX variant we have been clamoring after for 4 years,...

I hope you're right, but IMO it's too early to include that.  On the British video I thought I heard a response that the CTX is still better in some way; don't remember the specifics.  (Personally I hate companies protecting old products by underbuilding new ones....)

Right now we have some mostly wishy washy marketing mumbo jumbo with few details on the actual specifications.  And people are trusting that Minelab, the innovation leader for 2 or 3 decades, is going to continue that trend.  I will say the Ferrous+Conductive two-component readout is the one thing I've seen that has my attention.  But concluding it's as good as the CTX3030 in that aspect...???

I hope Detectival (only 2 weeks from now?) will produce more specifics and less flag waving.  The jury is out AFAIC, but I'm a Doubting Thomas by nature.

[Erik Oostra]

The more I hear, the more I'm liking The Beast.. It seems it punches deeper than the Equinox and CTX because more power is provided to the coil.. If its battery performance is the same as the Equinox (or even if it's worse it will still be a lot better than the Deus II), then it's a real contender.. This together with the fact that Minelab has build this thing from the ground up makes me hopeful that they're on to something that'll surpass what came before and live up to the marketing hype.. Which is something XP and Nokta failed to do, they just copied.. If The Beast does meet expectations in the field, I'll sell my Deus II to get my hands on one.. I just hope that Minelab will forgive my temporary desertion to the XP camp and welcome me back to the flock.. 😬     

[schoolofhardNox]

7 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Yes.

That is well below what I thought it would be.

 

[King-Of-Bling]

11 minutes ago, Jennifer said:

I never mentioned Minelab, I mentioned being at the point of diminishing returns on adding bells and whistles, Minelab or anyone else…. Physics are physics.

My feelings about Minelab are well know but in this case, I’m not being manufacturer specific.

Ok. I don't come on here all that much , so I don't know your feelings about ML. But to a certain extent , you are right. But there are small little bumps in improvements across all brands I think. And I'm following this one after getting rid of 3 Nox's , for 3 different reasons. I been hunting So.Cal beaches for decades and have used quite a few detectors. Primarily old Whites PI's. This new machine has some vast improvements over the prior Nox which I do believe they should have stood behind better on its faults. But here we are. I hunt many beaches that the Nox fails on. Maybe this will be a vast improvement to be able to handle heavy black mineralized sand and EMI. This is the biggie. But in a sick way , I hope it doesn't. Because then I will have to deal with new hunters who may not give up so easily. Lol

[Dan(NM)]

More images of the Beast.

[Chase Goldman]

7 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

That is well below what I thought it would be.

 

Definitely worth it with the M8 coil if it were going head to head with Deus 2 because the weight advantage of Deus 2 (a lot of what you are paying for) would be reduced.