New Minelab Manticore

[F350Platinum]

7 minutes ago, mn90403 said:

I have always turned up the low tones (ferrous) on the Equinox presets so that I can hear those deep targets that started out as ferrous. 

Hope to God you West Coast boys are right, onea these days those nails that come up -5 a foot or more down on the beach will be a ring. 😀 Until then I curse every nail I dig. 

[mn90403]

1 minute ago, F350Platinum said:

Hope to God you West Coast boys are right, onea these days those nails that come up -5 a foot or more down on the beach will be a ring. 😀 Until then I curse every nail I dig. 

We are right often enough to dig everything on our beaches and we even like it when it gets deeper than 6 inches.  I notice this happens here with nickels also but it is more jumpy.

[Steve Herschbach]

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Bingo about the deeper statement.  

Mandymoore is definitely going to improve on the Nox, perhaps with more than just bells and whistles.  The CTX/eTrac FeCo type target ID and Target Trace will improve the ability to ID deeper than the Nox and 2D disc patterns coupled with Multi-iQ+'s speed (vs. FBS2) will defintely improve performance to a degree.  But is it actually "deeper" in terms of raw depth vs. any other VLF out there?  Who knows?  Frankly, more depth from my perspective is overrated, I will take the more accurate ID at depth and, hopefully, further improved ground and ferrous handling which aligns well with my objective, to pick out treasure from trash and avoid digging deep plugs and simply praying for a good outcome.

People always read more into stuff than is realistic. But on the other hand, you can 100% expect performance improvements over the Equinox. It may be a little or a lot. With the state of the art being what it is, I'd expect a little. But it will be there, and it will be real. Anyone who thought Equinox had good performance, this will be better. Everyone will argue over how much better, but better is better. It's actually that simple. People will upgrade from Equinox to Manticore, and I bet very few go back.

[mn90403]

3 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

people will upgrade from Equinox to Manticore, and I bet very few go back.

What do you think they can do to improve nugget hunting?  You obviously told them everything they need to know when you were working on the Equinox.  I hope they referred to it in this development.

On another note ... does this mean there will no longer be any Equinox updates?  haha

[kac]

Is it better at elevating targets out of the ground like the Vanquish ads had?

[Steve Herschbach]

44 minutes ago, mn90403 said:

What do you think they can do to improve nugget hunting?  You obviously told them everything they need to know when you were working on the Equinox.  I hope they referred to it in this development.

On another note ... does this mean there will no longer be any Equinox updates?  haha

I don’t think the Manticore is aimed at prospectors at all. I’ll be more interested in a Multi-IQ replacement for the Gold Monster one of these days. For gold prospecting, an obvious personal interest, I’m content to stick with my Equinox. And will. That said, any high end detector made these days can serve pretty well for gold nugget prospecting. It’s not like the old days when multipurpose machines were useless for the task, and I am sure the Manticore will do fine, if anyone gets one, and wants to look for nuggets with it.

I don’t expect any more Equinox updates. Not saying they can’t happen, but the train has moved on, and the Nox is far in the rear view mirror now.

[☠ Cipher]

In terms of the 50% increase in power, I don’t read into that as resulting in a truly substantial, rather than minor or incremental, increase in depth over equinox. In the words of Dave Johnson “Getting extra depth out of a VLF, multifrequency, or PI machine is very difficult, because these machines follow an inverse 6th power law relationship between signal voltage and depth. If everything else is maintained equal, doubling the depth requires 64 times as much signal. If this is done by increasing transmitter power, doubling depth requires 4,096 times as much battery drain. That’s the basic reason why depth increases come so slowly in this industry.” We also have to consider that some of that extra power will be sucked up by the new dynamic screen. That aside, from what I’ve seen so far this looks like what I’ve been hoping for from Minelab. I’m all in and can’t wait to get my hands on it. Glad I saved my pennies. 

[Steve Herschbach]

25 minutes ago, ☠ Cipher said:

In terms of the 50% increase in power, I don’t read into that as resulting in a truly substantial, rather than minor or incremental, increase in depth over equinox. In the words of Dave Johnson “Getting extra depth out of a VLF, multifrequency, or PI machine is very difficult, because these machines follow an inverse 6th power law relationship between signal voltage and depth. If everything else is maintained equal, doubling the depth requires 64 times as much signal. If this is done by increasing transmitter power, doubling depth requires 4,096 times as much battery drain. That’s the basic reason why depth increases come so slowly in this industry.” We also have to consider that some of that extra power will be sucked up by the new dynamic screen. That aside, from what I’ve seen so far this looks like what I’ve been hoping for from Minelab. I’m all in and can’t wait to get my hands on it. Glad I saved my pennies. 

They said 50% increase over “traditional detectors.” That could mean a $149 Bounty Hunter detector. You guys really need to wise up to marketing tricks. 

In real terms they are simply talking about an increase in transmit power over the Equinox. However, that only works in milder ground. Those in the know understand that Equinox incorporates the ability to lower the transmit power to deal with harsh beach scenarios. Otherwise more power simply overloads the detector with ground feedback. So I would expect larger gains in low mineral places like Florida or deep turf, less or no gain in highly mineralized soils, like the west coast beaches in particular. Tom D will no doubt be loving all over this for Florida. People in high mineral areas will wonder what all the fuss is about by comparison.

[☠ Cipher]

10 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

They said 50% increase over “traditional detectors.” That could mean a $149 Bounty Hunter detector. You guys really need to wise up to marketing tricks. 

Either way, Mark Laurie has also definitely stated that it is pushing more power than the Equinox as well. I just don’t expect that to make a significant difference whether it’s 5% or 50% because of the inverse 6th power law, unless they’ve also made significant strides in EMI and ground mitigation. 

[phrunt]

Yay! Gold Modes and depth increases in mild ground 😛

It just keeps getting better.