New Minelab Manticore

[strick]

On the ctx steel bottle caps will read toward the top middle of the screen when in ferous coin mode...larger ferrous items will  be at the bottom...one of the best things about the ctx is its abilities to notch out bottle caps and other trash and still be able to find gold rings without fear of notching them out as well...this works at moderate depth and of course the deeper you go things go differently...minelab has taken a page out of the book on the fbs line with the manticore.

Strick

[cudamark]

2 hours ago, steveg said:

Hmm....

Thanks for providing this, Chase.  The numbers (0 to 9, and 0 to 14) are not an issue; the principle that I was describing stays the same, but...the issue is, WHERE DOES THE 99 IRON ID SEGMENTS THING COME IN, that Tom D. talked about (which is what you asked, earlier)?  

Guess we will have to wait for the manual, as you said...

The other thing I'm wondering about, as you said you also are, is -- what the meaning of the red underline is, under the CO number (that Minelab is calling a "Ferrous Indicator").

Hopefully we'll get to see a manual, sooner rather than later, but I bet we don't see it until very close to product release...

Steve

Yup, everything right now is sheer speculation until we can get it in our hands and turn "MentalMasterbation" into something real!😄

[Bayard]

I have been using an Etrac on a regular basis for over nine years and have found close to 500 silver coins with it.  I bought an Equinox 600 in February 2018, but rarely use it.  The Etrac is superior at finding deep silver coins in most circumstances with the Equinox only excelling at unmasking or finding nickels in Park 2.

I absolutely hate the ergonomics of the Equinox, and vastly prefer swinging my heavy Etrac or my rinky dink Vanquish 540.  I wouldn't even own the Vanquish 540 if the ergonomics of the Equinox were not so horrible.  The Equinox is almost impossible to use without the arm cuff strap because the detector is not properly balanced, and I have no interest in attaching a counterweight to it.

Just like the Equinox, I don't foresee the Manticore making me retire my Etrac, if for no other reason than because the ergonomic deficiency of the Equinox has not been remedied.  When a $199 Vanquish 340 has better ergonomics than the latest $1599 Minelab product, something is wrong.

[dsb]

No full manual and weird marketing points to pressure to get this in the buyers head now to stall buying other makes.   The manual isn't available due to software tweaking I'm thinking, the basic start up guide isn't affected.  Depending how anal  or conflicted the engineering team is will determine release date.  New Minelab releases crank up used classifieds everytime.

[scoopjohnb]

6 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

It seems many of us are trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip with our interpretation of what little has been revealed so far.  Along that vein 😁, on the graphics part of the screen, it appears as though there is a histogram of signals at the bottom of the image.  Or is that just the ferrous limit(s) for the lower part of the ferrous scale?  And while we're on that subject, why do both the upper part and lower part say 'more ferrous'?  Is the vertical scale not actually monotonic (going from low to high in one direction)?

FBS2 is VLF with a bit of PI for ferrous discrimination thrown in.

Multi IQ+ with 2D screen is VLF multi frequency. On a single frequency VLF iron ID’s at the bottom or the top of your conductive scale “Iron Wrap around”. They somehow managed to indicate that wrap-around effect in the +Ferrous and -Ferrous Y axis. That is how I think of it, without on hands experience and going on the bits of info gathered from the few videos I’ve seen.

[scoopjohnb]

45 minutes ago, Bayard said:

I have been using an Etrac on a regular basis for over nine years and have found close to 500 silver coins with it.  I bought an Equinox 600 in February 2018, but rarely use it.  The Etrac is superior at finding deep silver coins in most circumstances with the Equinox only excelling at unmasking or finding nickels in Park 2.

I absolutely hate the ergonomics of the Equinox, and vastly prefer swinging my heavy Etrac or my rinky dink Vanquish 540.  I wouldn't even own the Vanquish 540 if the ergonomics of the Equinox were not so horrible.  The Equinox is almost impossible to use without the arm cuff strap because the detector is not properly balanced, and I have no interest in attaching a counterweight to it.

Just like the Equinox, I don't foresee the Manticore making me retire my Etrac, if for no other reason than because the ergonomic deficiency of the Equinox has not been remedied.  When a $199 Vanquish 340 has better ergonomics than the latest $1599 Minelab product, something is wrong.

Manticore is different flavoured ice-cream: depth wise, seperation wise, performance wise. We probably won’t see huge differences between D 2 most reputable detectors.

It feels like a rushed marketing job now that several other competitors are in the same race.

[Chase Goldman]

1 hour ago, scoopjohnb said:

FBS2 is VLF with a bit of PI for ferrous discrimination thrown in.

????

[TedinVT]

2 hours ago, NAGANT said:

No full manual and weird marketing points to pressure to get this in the buyers head now to stall buying other makes.   The manual isn't available due to software tweaking I'm thinking, the basic start up guide isn't affected.  Depending how anal  or conflicted the engineering team is will determine release date.  New Minelab releases crank up used classifieds everytime.

You nailed it!

[Erik Oostra]

The Mongrel's search mode settings seem simple enough.. 

[Cal_Cobra]

20 hours ago, steveg said:

I liked that part of the video very much.  That was very FBS-like, in that the reason the wedge was not detected was because he adjusted the FERROUS discrimination.  If you noticed, the coin he swung over was mid 30s for its conductive ID, which was very similar to the "conductive" ID of the wedge (the conductive ID for the wedge ranged up as high as mid 30s also, see my picture, below).  On the Equinox, the only way to discriminate the wedge, if you wanted to (since there is only conductive information, and no "2-D" ability) would be to set disc up in the mid teens -- which discriminates NOT ONLY the wedge, but also a nickel (or the coin shown in the video).  BUT -- with 2-D (ferrous AND conductive) information available for each target, you can discriminate based on the FERROUS information, only, if you choose.  And in that way, while both targets ID in the mid 30s on the CONDUCTIVE side, the FERROUS ID of each target is much different.  So, proper setup of your discrimination -- with your discrimination based off of the FERROUS ID, means you can discriminate the wedge, but still detect a coin that, from the "conductive" perspective, would ID very similar to the wedge.  There's no way to discriminate the wedge from the coin, on an Equinox; on the Manticore however, just like on the CTX, E-Trac, or an Explorer, you can EASILY discriminate the wedge, and NOT a coin that has a similar conductive ID.

For anyone familiar with FBS, what I just said is very basic.  But, for those, like GB_Amateur, who are not familiar with FBS machines, hopefully this helps, in that this is a good illustration of what having 2D target information (FE as well as CO) allows you to do, in terms of setting up the machine.  

NOTE -- of COURSE the primary discriminator needs to be the one "between our ears," with audio being "where it's at," in terms of discerning targets.  We all know this.  But, all I am trying to illustrate is that having the ability to discriminate based on FE ID is a tool that is helpful, and it's a tool I really missed on the EQX...

Steve

 

Thanks Steve, that really is a game changer for the Equinox lineage isn't it.

I used an Etrace a decade ago for deep silver turn hunting, but never used it for relic hunting.  What's your opinion on how the 2D ability could help at 1800's sites infested with that rusty tin that comes in as conductive on every detector I've ever used at these sites, but I've never had a FBS/FBS2 detector there.  Tom_CA uses his Explorer2 there, and I believe he's had as many challenges with that stuff as I have with machines like the F75 LTD, Racers, Impact, MMK, EQX800, etc.