New Minelab Manticore

[palzynski]

53 minutes ago, PimentoUK said:

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Also, real ground is compact, which is hard to replicate in a box. 
 

Yes and no , the first 10 or 15cms of ground of a plowed field are not compact at all because they have been moved by the plow and they are a mix of air , ground and sometimes straw , especially when the weather is dry like this summer ..

I agree that the soil can be much more compact in a wood or a forest . But I noticed that on my boxes too the ground  is more compact than what it was a few years ago , but for some reason it did not change the detector performances on the boxes...

 

[PimentoUK]

Ploughed land is indeed difficult, for several reasons. And it's difficult to reproduce, so it's not surprising that no-one talks about depth in such ground.
Depth tests are mostly relevant to flat, undisturbed ground; public parks; pasture farmland; woodland; grazing land. But these are where targets can be, and often are, deep. And the deep targets are potentially the desireable ones.

[steveg]

A bit late, but wanted to thank everyone who chimed into answer some of my questions about PI vs. VLF, time domain and frequency domain, etc.

I am on a vacation now, and so little time to post, but I've been reading all replies and I greatly appreciate the time taken to help further my understanding...

A sincere thank you!

Steve

[UtahRich]

Sorry if i may have missed this in an earlier post, could the 50% increase in power be related to increasing the percentage of a low frequency waveform to the manticore SMF mix?  I know my Deus1 drew battery power at higher rates as i changed to lower frequencies. If minelab is using a new lower frequency and has changed the recipe of frequencies,to go after higher conductors with the new manticore, wouldn't this account for a higher current draw and thus allow Minelab to make this claim?

Just throwing this out there. 

Rich - 

[TedinVT]

7 hours ago, grasshopper said:

Sorry if i may have missed this in an earlier post, could the 50% increase in power be related to increasing the percentage of a low frequency waveform to the manticore SMF mix?  I know my Deus1 drew battery power at higher rates as i changed to lower frequencies. If minelab is using a new lower frequency and has changed the recipe of frequencies,to go after higher conductors with the new manticore, wouldn't this account for a higher current draw and thus allow Minelab to make this claim?

Just throwing this out there. 

Rich - 

Interesting thought, Rich.  You can bet someone with a spectrum analyzer and time to kill will be looking at that.  The first month or two after commercial release will be filled with reports and we'll all (in the north) have some fun winter reading and watching.

[CoinShooter1]

Quick run down on all the features and settings:

 

 

[Nuke em]

I think i will steer clear of the Manticore. I don't think it's going to be as good as the price is going to be. Also, how much is dug at 50 cm? Not a lot. 

But the big issue i have is that the battery lasts only around 9 hours normal use and if you use the light, vibration and any boosts then it could be as low as 7 hours? Thats what i have been hearing. And the battery takes 7 hours to charge! Not good enough by far. I hit the beaches for way longer than that. And land digs can be longer than that during the longer days of the year.

Has Minelab not learned anything about battery tech since the abortion of a battery pack they put in the Explorer all those years ago? Look at the RNB. 

The arm cup looks less bulk than the Nox one and unless it's made of something else might break like i have seen the Nox one's break. 

The coil lugs are going to be on the stem, am i the only cynic? that the only reason that they have done that is to save them money when replacing broken parts in warranties and not saving us money after warranties have run out? The lugs still look thin. Maybe the cynic in me thinking ooh squeeze every last gram out of the weight we can!

All carbon fibre stem. Looks good but expensive to replace if that breaks. I think using that in the sea doing beach hunting will put an awful lot of stress on the stem. I noticed that on the Nox even with the aftermarket stems. The Legend is rock solid in the oggin. This whole thing about going lightweight may be starting to go too far. 

I have read that it has 99 Co numbers, that's good but why 99 Fe numbers? And they don't show on the screen. 

The Nox suffered from EMI issues when i used it on the beaches i go to and even on many digs too. The only way to solve it was to go single freq! And the Minelab ad was?? all that gumpf about making single freqs obsolete. On a video seeing the Manticore it seemed to be like the Nox, unstable?

All this for £1799 UK. 

People find plenty with cheaper machines and hoards get found with cheap Garretts etc. Beaches are getting harder now cashless is here or almost and paying for your new toy might be a lot harder. 

And with times getting harder out there due to bills and economic woes maybe Minelab brought this out a little late?

Anyway even though here in the UK we pay VAT on almost everything £1799 is a bit steep. The Deus can be bought for £1260 with discount and the Legend Pro for £710. 

I'm not seeing that much other than looks that make me think the Manticore is worth buying. I have learned from past mistakes that first impressions are best ignored. 

Maybe if Minelab ignored the shareholder's bonus!

Still love my E.Trac though.

 

 

[midalake]

4 hours ago, Nuke em said:

Has Minelab not learned anything about battery tech since the abortion of a battery pack they put in the Explorer all those years ago? Look at the RNB. 

I think minelab has learned. The Manticore has TWICE the battery capacity. [that 50% more power to the coil thing] I think the question is how much weight do you want to carry?  Personally, I do not have enough gas in the tank to hunt a beach for 7 hours. 
 

4 hours ago, Nuke em said:

The arm cup looks less bulk than the Nox one and unless it's made of something else might break like i have seen the Nox one's break

The cuff the looks WAY sturdier to me? 

4 hours ago, Nuke em said:

All carbon fibre stem. Looks good but expensive to replace if that breaks. I think using that in the sea doing beach hunting will put an awful lot of stress on the stem. I noticed that on the Nox even with the aftermarket stems.

I have beach hunted for 25 years in the worst conditions that the Pacific Ocean can dish out. I have NEVER broken a lower carbon fiber stem or coil attachment yoke. 

4 hours ago, Nuke em said:

The Nox suffered from EMI issues when i used it on the beaches i go to and even on many digs too.

Yes, the Equinox suffered from EMI. Minelab has put a lot of effort into the EMI on the Manticore. Time will tell but I doubt it will be worse. With having a maximum sensitivity setting of 35 I am sure EMI will be found at some setting. 

Just bringing this up as talking points!  I will not go out and buy one. A friend of mine has already stepped up to the plate. He will probably get his before many in the United States.[he always does] I should be able to do a salt beach comparison [watch for it]      

[steveg]

12 hours ago, midalake said:

I have beach hunted for 25 years in the worst conditions that the Pacific Ocean can dish out. I have NEVER broken a lower carbon fiber stem or coil attachment yoke. 

 

To add to this, I've never had a one of my shaft users report a broken shaft while ocean detecting, and I have LOTS of dedicated beach hunters using my shafts in the surf...

Carbon fiber -- given its strength-to-weight ratio and the fact that it won't rust/corrode/deteriorate -- should be among the very BEST materials to use, for a shaft -- whether dry land hunting, OR beach/surf hunting...

Steve

[GB_Amateur]

With respect to Dan Fogelberg:

The beer was empty, and our tongues were tired;
And running out of things to say...

Minelab's Manticore European Tour ends tomorrow with the grand finale at England's Detectival.  I think I've watched all the Youtube videos that have included Mark Lawrie.  I'm impressed that they sent an engineer who had major contributions to this detector and on top of it, is a detectorist himself.  (How often does either of those happen?)

Some questions I've seen in this thread have actually been answered by Lawrie in at least one of the videos.  Some of the complaints (even recent ones) are inconsistent with what Lawrie has said.  We may get a few more tidbits from this weekend but the real meat that now remains to be devoured will likely only come from impartial (after the Deus 2 pre-release brouhaha, do I need to emphasize that word?  ) field tests, but even then it's dependent upon the actual field....

We still have a few months before they become available.  Good times ahead, I hope.