New Minelab Manticore

[dsb]

No cracks on mine (NOX) and finally had it underwater briefly, whew!   Minelab could get a lot of us off the fence by releasing some well produced vid's. Give it to their detectorists and show some hunts with screen shots and dig results.  Not a big production cost, people put these out every day.  Tweaking software i understand but get some well produced content out.  Everything so far is a jumbled up mess.  Had enough of 5 people blabbing while answering livestreamers questions.   

[Jeff McClendon]

9 minutes ago, NAGANT said:

No cracks on mine (NOX) and finally had it underwater briefly, whew!   Minelab could get a lot of us off the fence by releasing some well produced vid's. Give it to their detectorists and show some hunts with screen shots and dig results.  Not a big production cost, people put these out every day.  Tweaking software i understand but get some well produced content out.  Everything so far is a jumbled up mess.  Had enough of 5 people blabbing while answering livestreamers questions.   

Even a preliminary manual would be nice for sure. Translating a pre-release manual into dozens of languages and then having a long list of addendums before the actual manual is released......not Minelab's style. Since that has not happened yet, for me that means there is more going on than some software tweaks as far as the Manticore being production ready for release on a large scale. 

 

[phrunt]

2 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Debbie said "...this is not to diminish that there was (sic) leakage problems with the Equinox, but overall for the amount we made and sold it was less than point zero one percent."  Rob then tried to get her to say how many were sold but she was consistent with ML policy of not revealing those kinds of sales figures.  However, let's play with the numbers:

0.01% is 0.0001.  For every million sold (multiply 0.0001 times 1,000,000), that corresponds to 100 units.  Let's give her (them?) the benefit of the doubt that this is based on the number of detectors returned for warranty repair/replacement.  Does that seem consistent with the failure rate we've heard about?

I get tired of manipulation of numbers Minelab do, %'s and star charts that Minelab are now famous for that are highly deceptive,  they say what they can get away with saying.   They use such things to deceive people for marketing purposes.   They give so little information what they're saying leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation in their favour or they just use them to make a product look better than it really is. 

The Nox is a leaker! the numbers she's given there are false.  We all have either had one leak or have a friend or two that has.  It's easy for them to say it's next to no Noxes have leaked, but I would say personal experiences of people that we all know prove otherwise.  A more realistic answer that I would have believed would have been because only 5% of people use their Nox in water, and only 20% of those people get a leak the number of leaking Noxes isn't exceptionally high compared to the number sold.  If every Nox owner was a water hunter they'd be leaking like sieves.  If they released the Excalibur with the Nox leaking issues imagine the outcry, people buy that for the water, if it had the same failure rate as the Nox in water they'd have to do a recall.

[GB_Amateur]

18 minutes ago, phrunt said:

A more realistic answer that I would have believed would have been because only 5% of people use their Nox in water, and only 20% of those people get a leak the number of leaking Noxes isn't exceptionally high compared to the number sold.

Multiplying those two numbers is still 1% or 100 times what she said.  Now, maybe 1% (or equivalently 0.01) is what she meant and got the two things mixed up (in ML's favor)....

[Cal_Cobra]

5 hours ago, strick said:

A lot because I wont be using the Nox that much any more. 🤣 

Seriously with the enhanced target ID screen those that have ran the Etrac and the CTX previously realize the value of this...what those machines lacked...speed, ergonomics and light weight are now in the new machine...I'm on the list as well..

strick

You almost sound excited about the Manticore 🤔 

I have my order in, #1 on the dealers list 😁 

We should get together and test them out at the springs if that's possible?  Ground's fairly tame, don't believe I've ever encountered EMI out there, so that extra depth, no matter how minimal, could come in handy 👍

[strick]

4 hours ago, Cal_Cobra said:

You almost sound excited about the Manticore 🤔 

I have my order in, #1 on the dealers list 😁 

We should get together and test them out at the springs if that's possible?  Ground's fairly tame, don't believe I've ever encountered EMI out there, so that extra depth, no matter how minimal, could come in handy 👍

 Yes I could still get us out there I have not been there in a long time probably eight months or more...last time found a v nickel right on top of the ground! After the big deluge of rain we had last winter...of course I have other spots as well lol 

Strick

[longbow62]

I guess I'm a contrarian. I'm not one to take the popular position without some thinking about it first. On the leaking issue. What's Minelab to do? As long as the Equinox is sold in it's present form and branding it's a potential warranty claim. I mean Minelab still claims a 10ft. depth rating. I have heard the most common detector on the beach is the Equinox. Minelab must still have confidence in it's waterproofing or they would change a few things and just rebrand it as a land only detector. Then they would only have to worry about units with serial numbers before the change.

I don't deny units leaked. I have know idea the percentage. I do know the internet can greatly blow things far out of proportion to what the reality actually is. Again they are still selling them as waterproof to 10ft. despite all you hear about leaking. It kinda makes no sense for them to that if in fact that many are actually leaking.      

[phrunt]

5 minutes ago, longbow62 said:

I don't deny units leaked. I have know idea the percentage. I do know the internet can greatly blow things far out of proportion to what the reality actually is. Again they are still selling them as waterproof to 10ft. despite all you hear about leaking. It kinda makes no sense for them to that if in fact that many are actually leaking.      

They sold the GPX 6000 for over a year with a speaker/EMI problem, just kept pumping them out. They sold the coils with weak ears for the CTX for a decade then used the same ears on the Nox, I'm at a loss why.   I guess producing a new product and changing production costs far more than replacing detectors and coils.  Let's face it they probably spend $100 to make a Nox in Malaysia if that, cheaper to swap out faulty ones than redesign it and all the costs associated with that.  Maybe that's why they put up the price of the Nox, to cover replacing it if need be without eating into their existing profits 🙂

 

[steveg]

On 10/9/2022 at 5:19 PM, longbow62 said:

Well for one thing if the 2-d screen works as advertised falsing iron targets should become obvious without circling targets. 

I wouldn't count on that.  My experience with the CTX says that if you have a nail that is a mix of iron tones, and also a bunch of high-tone "falses" that somewhat mimic a coin-type target. you will get a trace for both of those tonal indications.  In other words, the target trace would be such that it would look kind of like there are two targets under your coil -- iron target, and coin-type target.  Reason being, if the ID algorithms are "fooled" into giving you a coin-like high-tone, then (at least with the CTX) the target trace algorithm is likewise fooled.  I don't think you can expect to be hearing both high tones and iron tones, but ONLY see an iron trace on the 2D screen.

Unless they have some real magic going on with the Manticore that STOPS the nails from high-tone falsing, then I would expect any high-tone falses to "trace" on the target trace screen along the "good target" line (in addition to the trace in the iron range consistent with the iron tones that would be occurring due to it being an iron target).

Steve

[rled2005]

I’m waiting for the holographic version which gives us a 3D view from all sides of what’s underground. A HoloManticoreGram version.  🤣