New Minelab Manticore

[canslawhero]

6 hours ago, PSPR said:

I think most here with a new D2 would probably do the same.  You can't just go around dropping $1600 every time a new detector comes on the market.  If I had bought a D2 I wouldn't be in the market for a Manticore right now either.  But I do think giving silly names to detectors you have no intention of buying is a bit childish.  Should we call the Deus II the Dump2?  LOL  (Just messing with ya)

this is similar to my situation with my current motorcycle (Honda CB500X) purchased March, 2021. I always want  (salivate over) various new ones that come out! but it just isn't practical especially here in Canada (various egregious dealer fees, very high insurance fees and Canada even charges 13% tax on used motorcycles, pretty bad.... but dang the new ones are very nice, lol.

[Jeff McClendon]

6 hours ago, PSPR said:

That's interesting.  One would have to experiment with it to see if it has value.  Since the oval isn't always an oval it could provided some very useful ID info.  Funny that nobody ever talks about this.  I didn't even know the Deus II had this feature.

So does the original Deus. 
 

Chase and I own the Equinox, Legend and Deus 2. We know how good they really are. We aren’t likely to snap at you for taking a jovial swing at any of them. Others on this forum might however especially some Deus 2 high powered owners or people who are going nuts waiting for their beastie. So get ready to duck if you disparage Deus 2 or the Mantis.  

[Cal_Cobra]

11 hours ago, PSPR said:

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but the battery life of the Manticore on the Minelab website specs has been changed from 9 hours to 10 hours.  I guess 9 hours sounded too short.  I doubt there has been any physical change to the detector reflecting that change.

There may or may not be a physical change, but they may have optimized code to realize this change. 

[Cal_Cobra]

10 hours ago, rled2005 said:

50 tones are a bit too much for me. It’s like a hot rod rumbling as it idles, then when you get a target, it’s like the hot rod engine revs up. For me, it’s distracting. I like to silent search until I get a target.

I have detecting friends that are hard core Minelab users and they've been very successful on the FBS machines in full tones, especially when sifting through trash and locating deep turf silver other machines walked over.  When I got the Equinox I was coming from three and four tone detectors, but forced myself to use full tones.  It took a while, but it really helped to sniff out deep silver and relics at sites others have missed.  Would those same targets be heard in the lower tone modes?  Perhaps, but once your ears muscle memory reconciles what the full tones convey, I feel there's enough extra intel that make the struggle worth mastering.

[Cal_Cobra]

9 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Theoretically, if you are discriminating ferrous and have the machine properly ground balanced, then even in 50 tones it will still be silent until you get a target.

Absolutely correct.

[deathray]

5 hours ago, Cal_Cobra said:

I have detecting friends that are hard core Minelab users and they've been very successful on the FBS machines in full tones, especially when sifting through trash and locating deep turf silver other machines walked over.  When I got the Equinox I was coming from three and four tone detectors, but forced myself to use full tones.  It took a while, but it really helped to sniff out deep silver and relics at sites others have missed.  Would those same targets be heard in the lower tone modes?  Perhaps, but once your ears muscle memory reconciles what the full tones convey, I feel there's enough extra intel that make the struggle worth mastering.

I come from the bbs/ fascia background, so I run my deus that way...no disc, full tones. Always feel like I'm ' missing something',, when I run a detector in 2 or 3 tones. 

[deathray]

Dang spellcheck...FBS, not Fascia, lol

[PSPR]

8 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

So does the original Deus. 
 

Chase and I own the Equinox, Legend and Deus 2. We know how good they really are. We aren’t likely to snap at you for taking a jovial swing at any of them. Others on this forum might however especially some Deus 2 high powered owners or people who are going nuts waiting for their beastie. So get ready to duck if you disparage Deus 2 or the Mantis.  

LOL.  Did you see my post where I ordered a Legend (The Lagard? Just Kidding) while I'm waiting for my Manti (Or is it the Mongoose now)?  I've been reading about your park hauls with it!!  I ordered the Pro Pack so I would have a machine with a small coil incase I find a place to search where I would need it.  I'll see how it goes.

I think you are in the Denver area.  I should send you the coordinates for that silver dime spill I found 40 years ago that I left some there.  Its probably gone by now though.

[steveg]

7 hours ago, Cal_Cobra said:

I have detecting friends that are hard core Minelab users and they've been very successful on the FBS machines in full tones, especially when sifting through trash and locating deep turf silver other machines walked over.  When I got the Equinox I was coming from three and four tone detectors, but forced myself to use full tones.  It took a while, but it really helped to sniff out deep silver and relics at sites others have missed.  Would those same targets be heard in the lower tone modes?  Perhaps, but once your ears muscle memory reconciles what the full tones convey, I feel there's enough extra intel that make the struggle worth mastering.

Couldn't agree more. 

Steve

[GB_Amateur]

13 hours ago, JCR said:

Would that not be the Solstice?

(Veering OT here, but there has been XP Deus 2 discussion so maybe that makes going off on a tangent regarding the new ML detector's name OK.  😁)

You mean my tongue in cheek mention of needing the backlight from Autumnal Equinox until Vernal Equinox?  No.  Poles and equator are unique in having very different daylight vs. time-of-year than typical mid-latitudes (for example).  Summer solstice is max daylight everywere in the hemisphere.  Winter solstice is minimum everywhere in the appropriate hemisphere.  Equator has same amount of daylight every day of the year.  The poles have the weirdest solar path in the sky since it's always parallel to the horizon!  On the Summer Solstice the sun starts in the north at midnight and makes a complete lap always staying ~23.5 degrees (Earth's axis tilt with respect to its orbit) above the horizon.  The next day it does another lap, but about 1/4 of a degree lower.  On the Autumnal Equinox it's worked its way down to the horizon*.  It continues to descend further below the horizon by about 1/4 of degree until the Winter Solstice when it reaches its lowest orbit and then slowly, day by day, makes its return to the horizon on the Vernal Equinox and then on back up to max on the Summer Solstice.

*Because of the refraction of the earth's atmosphere, the sun will appear a bit above the horizon whenever it's geometrically right on the horizon, regardless of where you are on the earth's surface.  Also, each of these four special conditions (two Equinoxes and two Solstices) only lasts an instant, not an entire day.  So at the pole the Sun is only technically at its maximum altitude for that instant and is working its way towards max pre- and away from it post- Summer Solstice (instant).

I'll finish with a question to get back on topic:  why didn't Minelab call this new detector the 'Solstice'?  I'm sure no one would have ridiculed them for that....  🤔  (But they still would have been stealing the name from an automaker, this time the now defunct Pontiac.)