XP Deus 2 Vs Minelab Manticore

[Cal_Cobra]

With the exception of educational tips and tricks type videos to better learn the settings and the new graph and whatnot, I've decided not to watch any further Manticore versus the D2 (or anything else for that matter) "test" videos as the proof will be in the pudding, and out here Minelab SMF machines have an excellent proven track record going back to the Explorers, and the D1 ended up being popular with some relic hunters as well.

I have my Manticore order in, and when it comes out I'll test it myself, at my sites in my dirt.  Like dogodog said most of us have multiple machines, and for good reason.  I've always been of the opinion that all machines do things different, even coils, and as such they will all find things other machines may not.

My hunt partner see things differently, he's of the opinion that a single machine can do it all.  He's been using his Explorer2 since it was new and is so dialed into it that he just sticks with it at 99% of the sites we hunt, although he finally broke down and bought a Deus1 (sadly not too long before the D2 came out, doh!).  He does fine with his Exp2, but I like to try different machines, especially when you start to see diminishing returns from an existing detector. 

At a particular western frontier site I've enjoyed over the years that I started hunting with the F75 LTD which did okay in the beginning but it petered out.  Then I started taking the Makro Racer/Racer2/Multi Kruzer there and it really opened up, but after a few years started to die out again to the point that my hunt partner wouldn't even go with me anymore. 

The Equinox completely opened the site up for me landing a very rare $1 US gold coin, a seated dime & half dime cache (19 coins total), several semi-key date seated dimes that weren't part of the seated dime cache, Phoenix buttons, early military and civilian buttons, trade silver, and other period relics.   We'll see what the Manticore brings to the table at a "hunted out" site.  I look forward to it's increased depth as I've located several silver coins that were at the fringe depth of what the machines were capable of (and missed by Tom's Explorer2 🙂  So no doubt there are a few stragglers that my current detectors simply cannot locate, and there's no shortage of iron of all sorts and other stuff.  Nice thing about this particular site is that the ground is pretty tame as far as mineralization goes, no EMI, so it could be the perfect recipe for the Manticores extra depth capabilities. 

[longbow62]

How much faster is the D2 than the Equinox. My buddy swings one, and we've compared hundreds of targets. I don't know if he is using D2 to it's full potential, but I normally don't crank the Equinox recovery above 6. Most of the time it's on 4. We have yet to see a target both machines won't hit regarding separation. Separation can be achieved with different coil sizes so just how fast does a detector have or need to be. 

How much faster is the Manticore than the Equinox. Did I hear from an engineer it's faster?

Again I have a buddy that swings the D2. He has done extremely well with it. I know 40+ silvers so far. One thing I noticed he has the 9" coil and I waxed him pretty good on a site using the Nox with 11" where the coins are really deep. He also has trouble getting fooled by falsing iron. I don't have that problem at all with the Equinox, but it does require a time investment (prolonged investigation/circling) to weed out falsing iron which is a little time consuming sometimes. If the Manticore 2-D screen works as advertised weeding out iron combined with it's supposed depth improvement I think that is a big plus over the D2. 

[la torche]

20 hours ago, longbow62 said:

How much faster is the D2 than the Equinox. My buddy swings one, and we've compared hundreds of targets. I don't know if he is using D2 to it's full potential, but I normally don't crank the Equinox recovery above 6. Most of the time it's on 4. We have yet to see a target both machines won't hit regarding separation. Separation can be achieved with different coil sizes so just how fast does a detector have or need to be. 

How much faster is the Manticore than the Equinox. Did I hear from an engineer it's faster?

Again I have a buddy that swings the D2. He has done extremely well with it. I know 40+ silvers so far. One thing I noticed he has the 9" coil and I waxed him pretty good on a site using the Nox with 11" where the coins are really deep. He also has trouble getting fooled by falsing iron. I don't have that problem at all with the Equinox, but it does require a time investment (prolonged investigation/circling) to weed out falsing iron which is a little time consuming sometimes. If the Manticore 2-D screen works as advertised weeding out iron combined with it's supposed depth improvement I think that is a big plus over the D2. 

We will see the MTC in use with the 2-D screen, given that in deep detection it risks interpreting a good target as iron .... I imagine, but I could be wrong. is only speculative, as long as I haven't tried it. But if it behaves like other VLF detectors that's what is to be feared. Well, we will have to learn to manage it.

[dogodog]

On 10/9/2022 at 7:58 PM, longbow62 said:

How much faster is the Manticore than the Equinox. Did I hear from an engineer it's faster?

 

What is faster? How fast it hits another target? Or How fast it discriminates a target out of the equation? I judge it by the latter. From my experience, the faster a machine can eliminate a shit target the better it is. Too many machines just blur the responses. When I disc out I want just that, DISC. Separation is not speed to me. Run a Tesoro and you will see true speed in discrimination on multiple targets. The 800 which I run, Has major iron bias issues. If iron is within 3 inches of a silver target it will tone and ID as iron, Its disc cannot figure it out. I have a feeling the Manticore is going to be just another click bait detector.

[geof_junk]

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