Calabash Digger Impressed With Manticore On Gold

[palzynski]

5 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

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As far as matching the D2 on coins, isn’t the D2 supposed to be good on coins? Would not matching the D2 be a good thing?  ....

 

Yes it would be a good thing but ML states 50% more power so it is logical that we expect something different from the Mcore .  And it is ML that has started this perfo topic ( or more exactly their marketing ) , not the users or even the youtubers ...  

 

 

[PSPR]

4 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Yes it would be a good thing but ML states 50% more power so it is logical that we expect something different from the Mcore .  And it is ML that has started this perfo topic ( or more exactly their marketing ) , not the users or even the youtubers ...  

The Manticore 50% power boost to the coil is supposed to give it just  little more depth and also better TID at depth.  That is yet to be determined by testing by users as their aren't a lot of users yet.

 

[Steve Herschbach]

12 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Yes it would be a good thing but ML states 50% more power so it is logical that we expect something different from the Mcore .  And it is ML that has started this perfo topic ( or more exactly their marketing ) , not the users or even the youtubers ...  

They "started it?" They are in the business of selling detectors! 50% more power is meaningless if it does not translate into more depth in the ground. In the worst ground, upping the transmit power will simply overload the coil while eating more batteries. And give you more depth compared to what? An Apex? Sure. The Deus 2 just came out, and Minelab had no idea what they were up against until very recently. It would be XP who would be the fools if they could not at least match the Equinox, maybe improve on it by a small amount.

It is very hard for me to impress on people how good the Equinox is. That is the machine that made the leap in performance, and even Minelab will struggle to improve on it. So my expectation is for no more than the Deus 2 and Manticore to be roughly equivalent, with each having a little edge here or a little edge there.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nobody needs to hype the buying public. They hype themselves, and all you have to do is give them the tiniest push, the tintiest hint that something maybe might kinda sorta be a little bit better, and people fall all over themselves, reading things into the smallest clues. It's because people have to talk themselves into buying things - and they are happy to do just that. I spent my entire life in sales, and the psychology of it fascinates me to this day.

[phrunt]

The Manticore was a given for me, I absolutely love the CTX, and the same the Nox, brilliant detectors so a bit of a mash up between the two is perfect, Target trace is one of my favourite things about the CTX as I'm a cherry picker, I have to be due to where I hunt, I can't dig 1000's of holes and I feel guilty even digging a few, they're OK with me doing it but I don't like going overboard with holes.  The more information I can have to dig or not dig in this field type situation the better.   I generally just don't like digging holes in lawns so the less is better.  At the beach I would not care just like prospecting, then holes are fine.

I also like how good the Nox is for gold prospecting, especially in my mild soil, so having a detector I have full confidence in for both coins and gold is fantastic, the Nox was almost there but missing being a super cherry picker like the CTX, now with the more target ID's and Target trace it sounds like it will be a perfect general purpose detector so I don't need to use as many detectors, especially when going away for a trip I prefer to just take a GPZ and one VLF not a bunch of them and it's sounding like the Manticore will fit that role perfectly.

[okara gold]

3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

It is very hard for me to impress on people how good the Equinox is.

You sure don't have to convince me Steve. I just found this 18K, 1.9 gram earring in the salt water yesterday with the Nox. It was under the sand in about 2 feet of water and had a nice solid 1-3 ID number.

The Nox has treated me better than I ever expected over the years. 

My order is in for the Manticore and even if it is a bit better than the Nox, I'll be pleased.

[OhioHunter]

I might be the odd one out here but I am not impressed with the manticore at all. The way the vdi is all over the place, down averaging, up averaging red line no red line. Small dot, big dot, big smear small smear etc etc.

[phrunt]

1 minute ago, OhioHunter said:

I might be the odd one out here but I am not impressed with the manticore at all. The way the vdi is all over the place, down averaging, up averaging red line no red line. Small dot, big dot, big smear small smear etc etc.

You've gathered this information from a small number of videos in soils likely different to yours, it will be at least as good as the Nox, but likely better.   It's great there are options though, you can buy yourself a Legend of Deus 2.

[midalake]

31 minutes ago, OhioHunter said:

I might be the odd one out here but I am not impressed with the manticore at all. The way the vdi is all over the place, down averaging, up averaging red line no red line. Small dot, big dot, big smear small smear etc etc.

You should come to the beaches I hunt in the wet sand with black sand. VDI's all over the place. Doesn't matter if it is a Tarsacci, D2 or Equinox. 

[mn90403]

2 hours ago, phrunt said:

You've gathered this information from a small number of videos in soils likely different to yours, it will be at least as good as the Nox, but likely better.   It's great there are options though, you can buy yourself a Legend of Deus 2.

How likely is it that Minelab would put out a new high-end detector that is not better than others in its Tool Box already?  If you are on the team or head up the engineering to get the new detector released, what do you have to show everyone internally to get that done.  You need better performance, ergonomics and/or sales.  Sales can be niche marketing and a value proposition.

Most of us still own multiple detectors when we get a new one.  We are going to test the new one against our other detectors and the sites.  If the old one still beats the new one then we made a mistake.  We are going to tell everyone it is not worth it.  I like my CTX but I still use my 800 much more.  Could I find much of what I find now if I was still using the CTX on the beach ... probably.  I have a couple of other beach detectors that fall into this same category.  How many of us have gone back to our old detectors recently?  It happens.  I made a Fisher mistake for instance.  Only detector I've ever sold.

Now if you are Steve, you get a new detector and you sell the ones you don't use.  We are all considering thinning our herd ... except Simon.  haha  You have to be able to compare.

[phrunt]

6 minutes ago, mn90403 said:

Now if you are Steve, you get a new detector and you sell the ones you don't use.  We are all considering thinning our herd ... except Simon.  haha  You have to be able to compare.

Baby steps, I have gotten rid of a QED and my GPX 4500.  I was quite happy to get rid of the QED, It pained me to get rid of the 4500 but it was sitting there getting old with capacitors in there that I just don't trust and would suck to have to replace them when they're painted to I'd have to paint strip them to see what they are, and a battery that's not going to last forever never being used although at over 10 years old it still held 8.1 volts at full charge and lasted a full day no problems, pure quality. It's now on the North Island spending its days detecting the black sand beaches.

I have a 5000 to take it's place anyway which after some time I prefer.  

I am confident the Manticore is much better than the Nox, not only in build quality but in performance, maybe not much when it comes to depth but any improvement in Target identification is a big bonus for me, I'm the ultimate cherry picker, unless I know it's good I don't dig as I dig in parkland that I don't like digging holes in.   It's my unwritten rule I try and leave the place better than I found it by removing surface rubbish if any as a way of paying back for letting me dig some good stuff.

I'll know as soon as I can get one, Ive paid for mine, yet I have no known ETA after being told I'd have it Friday last week then Minelab dropped a bomb today saying they have no estimated ETA for their arrival in NZ now.