Calabash Borrows A Ml Manticore Then Gets Into The Iron Without A Magnet.. Help Needed

[Chase Goldman]

2 hours ago, Digalicious said:

What about the sites in which you go into All Metal mode, and it's a "machine gun" of targets? The point being, there is no clean ground to ground balance on. It only takes a minute or two to clear a small area and ground balance over that. Plus, you'll get a much more accurate ground balance than using a fixed ground balance or tracking.

A lot of times Nox all metal mode is simply reacting to the mineral content in the ground (ground noise) not actual ferrous targets mimicking machine gun ferrous, precisely because you are not ground balanced.  This behavior in all metal mode (more accurately zero disc mode - there's a difference) is the clue that you do need to GB.  The way to determine if you have a target of sufficient mass to throw off GB is to put the detector into pinpoint mode.  If you are not picking up a pinpointed target you should be good to go to GB at that spot.

[Digalicious]

22 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

A lot of times Nox all metal mode is simply reacting to the mineral content in the ground (ground noise) not actual ferrous targets mimicking machine gun ferrous, precisely because you are not ground balanced.  This behavior in all metal mode (more accurately zero disc mode - there's a difference) is the clue that you do need to GB.  The way to determine if you have a target of sufficient mass to throw off GB is to put the detector into pinpoint mode.  If you are not picking up a pinpointed target you should be good to go to GB at that spot.

Yes, more accurately zero disc mode.

Regardless though, my point is to take a minute, clear a small spot by whatever means, and do a manual ground balance. 

[GB_Amateur]

1 hour ago, cobill said:

In his video he said " he doesn't ground balance his detector". I'm sorry, but this is the basics of detector 101, it's in the manual of every detector ever made for coin and relic hunting...I just don't understand his logic

Well, not quite.  From the Manticore Instruction Manual (p. 55):

That's similar to what was said in the Equinox 800/600 Instruction Manual.  I think these detectors take advantage of multifrequency signals to eliminate the ground if the mineralization isn't too bad.  The key is to determine when mineralization is such that auto or tracking ground balance will help.  And then there's the issue of properly using those two tools....

 

[King-Of-Bling]

2 hours ago, cobill said:

In his video he said " he doesn't ground balance his detector". I'm sorry, but this is the basics of detector 101, it's in the manual of every detector ever made for coin and relic hunting...I just don't understand his logic⁉️

Because there is none.

[King-Of-Bling]

8 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

I'm sure he doesn't like any comments that are not complimentary towards his opinion 😄

CalaWoke !

[Chase Goldman]

49 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said:

9 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

I'm sure he doesn't like any comments that are not complimentary towards his opinion 😄

CalaWoke !

Let's keep the commentary focused on issues related to the detector and/or critiquing how it's operated and away from criticism of the detectorist himself.  Just spirals into a personality bash session pile on and is really not forum behavior DP wants to encourage.

[D&P-OR]

9 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

I'm sure he doesn't like any comments that are not complimentary towards his opinion 😄

He's proven that (over & over)!

[longbow62]

I just do what works best for me. So take with a grain of salt. I always ground balance the Equinox no matter how mild the soil. Now of course I do believe the milder the ground the less important it is. If you ground balance in Park1 and you get a single digit number then that's pretty close to 0.

In my mind at least a proper ground balance gives you the best I.D. at depth. A lot of Equinox users used to say back when the detector was new they just kept it on zero. I'm not sure how many still do that. I'm sure 0 might work fine, but maybe not at it's absolute optimum. So especially on deep targets I want it ground balanced. I have on occasion forgotten to ground balance and could tell things didn't seem right. I then do a ground balance and things seem to work much better. Anyway I'll continue to ground balance no matter what the manual says.  

Oh and by the way I have very few places where in Park1 I get single digits or low teens. Most places Park1 is in the 20's to upper 30's. That's a pretty good ways from 0.

[cobill]

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

Well, not quite.  From the Manticore Instruction Manual (p. 55):

That's similar to what was said in the Equinox 800/600 Instruction Manual.  I think these detectors take advantage of multifrequency signals to eliminate the ground if the mineralization isn't too bad.  The key is to determine when mineralization is such that auto or tracking ground balance will help.  And then there's the issue of properly using those two tools....

 

GB, 

 On Tom D's site he recommended that CD try to manually adjust his Manticore's GB to reduce the iron falsing. My  recommendation: Tom D. spent alot of time working with ML on the Manticore development & testing, which took 3 years, CD should give it a try, what's he got to lose! 😂

 Thanks, I learned something new today.

[palzynski]

7 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Well, not quite.  From the Manticore Instruction Manual (p. 55):

That's similar to what was said in the Equinox 800/600 Instruction Manual.  I think these detectors take advantage of multifrequency signals to eliminate the ground if the mineralization isn't too bad.  The key is to determine when mineralization is such that auto or tracking ground balance will help.  And then there's the issue of properly using those two tools....

 

I agree I never GB and I always use the default GB setting . I have done a few comparison tests on my bed tests between default GB and after doing the GB. There is a slight improvement when doing the GB ( a  little more depth ) , but so small that it is not worth doing it for me .  I have done this test with several detectors : XP Goldmaxx , ML Equinox , XP Deus1 , Deus2 .

I hunt on low to medium mineralized soils btw . Of course on highly mineralized soils it is an other story and GB is absolutely required ...