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World Bored With High Frequency Detectors?

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I think you're right Steve, and I also think if you have any one of them already you don't need another one.  They all seem so similar in performance so it's more about what other features you like in a detector which makes you decide which one of the current lineup you want and the major buzz was with the Equinox being an excellent all rounder.  I feel in my personal experience it's just as good as my Gold Monster at finding Gold, possibly better, and I have no doubt it will be better when it gets its smaller coil and you get the added benefit on a machine that can be used for all purposes, and does very well at it.

So my opinion is all those folks who dived in and got an Equinox don't really need to rush out and buy any of these new Gold machines.  The Nox finds absolutely tiny gold, and really, any smaller it's not worth finding with a detector, you may as well spend $15 and buy a plastic gold pan. 

Some of these new Gold detectors just timed their release badly, which is unfortunate as I have no doubt they would be excellent machines, if Whites released their new Gold detector a few years ago, people would be in a rush to get one.

 

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Large deep nuggets excepted does anyone in the US really need anything other than an 800?  7K for a Zed and nearly 4k for the SDC.

It seems the Nox finds the bits just as well and for peanuts in comparison.

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I can't comment on USA's soils but in NZ soils the Nox gets the small stuff extremely well, but in these sub half a gram nuggets we have been hitting on here the Nox doesn't go overly deep on them compared to a PI with my ability level on the Nox and the default Gold 1 settings and sensitivity maxed out at 25. Someone better at using it may do much better at depth on it. I shouldn't just target the Nox in this, my VLF's in general are the same.  Since using my GPX 4500 and the 14x9 Evo coil I've started to get them a lot deeper than I ever expected to, if they're under 2" or so they scream out so loud as if they're a shotgun shell or touching the coil, 6" they sound like they are near the surface.  It's taking a bit of getting used to as every target sounds a lot bigger than it is but that means it's obviously punching very deep.  The problem I have now is if I sweep the coil close to my feet its picking up my pick hanging on my belt which has a fibreglass handle and the magnet is on top of the pick end not the handle hanging low.  This is particularly challenging when detecting walking uphill as I have to take my pick off my belt and carry it out wide away from the detectors reach.   I have detected bits of metal down 2+ inches about a 1/4 of the size of shotgun pellet with the Evo. 

PI's and the Zed will always have a place, and that is extreme depth and obviously mineralized ground that seems out of reach for VLF's in my experience.  This is just my personal experience so don't take it as gospel but others with more experience may chime in.

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Both I and my wife have used every model of the White's Goldmaster beginning in 1990 and currently using the GMT. The type of gold were after, a high frequency detector is absolute must. Their isn't a PI detector currently made that will find the gold specimens that we find. We have always been able to dial the GMT in for optimum performance.

The new GMK isn't available yet for the general public and I'm holding any comments to see if the new technology equals, surpasses any the high frequency detectors that are current available including the GMT.

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1 hour ago, phrunt said:

They all seem so similar in performance so it's more about what other features you like in a detector which makes you decide which one of the current lineup you want.... snip

I agree Simon - great observation.

Many gold prospectors use a detector for prospecting and nothing else. That being the case it can make sense to have dedicated machines that focus on that one task. The vast majority of people however want to use a detector for more than one thing and so crossover models tend to be far more popular.

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What we need  (imo)is a.  LIGHT WEIGHT , AFFORDABLE  pi( ATX, 2300 performace)   in a light wt box). Detector Pro made a very lite wt. Pi with all the electronics and battery in the head phones. It was not good for nugget hunting but was a good water proof beach hunter that sold for around $800. Whites tried with the TDI but was a bit short in depth.  JMO.

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Because I dislike having stuff I sold my ctx when I got the 800. Now I have two detectors that fulfill my detecting needs; the equinox 800 and the Zed 7000....

I only need a small gold coil for the 800 to be happy-er!

fred

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4 hours ago, fredmason said:

I only need a small gold coil for the 800 to be happy-er!

Ha Ha :laugh::laugh:....Will we ever be happy-er Fred? I Love the er. ?

I only need a small elliptical coil for the Zed to be happy-er! :biggrin:

Simon: Good post. See what a bit of experience & time out in the field with your different detectors does to you. You are coming to grips with it & well noting the differences now in each machines abilities on size of gold & depth. ? Repetition is the mother of skill.

Good luck out there

JW :smile:

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Hey Steve:

Back in the day we told a number of folks that there was room in the market for a higher frequency VLF oriented toward gold prospecting. The older units were good, but we all knew there have been design improvements in VLF since the GB2, GMT and Eureka Gold were first developed (not huge changes but small worthwhile ones none the less).
I dont know how many of those folks were listening to us or just saw the same thing in the market that we did, but hey, we were proven right and now there are an overabundance of 30 kHz nugget detectors on the market.

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