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16 hours ago, Dubious said:

Well, then, we need a detector with multiple frequencies, that uses 3 of them at a time, that can cover everything from deep silver to the smallest gold :)

As for dividing the power, I had (apparently mistakenly) thought that the Equinox overcame the problem by transmitting bursts of sine waves at each frequency, each burst after the other.  That is, five time slices, one for each frequency, so each burst of sine waves could be at full power, with the sequence repeating. But maybe this "sequential" approach wouldn't give the same multi-frequency effect.

So another development will be the dual "Core" multifrequency metal detector?

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8 hours ago, EL NINO77 said:

So another development will be the dual multifrequency metal detector?

I think the Equinox is the dual multifrequency metal detector.  It has 5 available frequencies, and apparently transmits in 2 of them at a time, determined by the mode selected.  If you meant hybrid--multifrequency VLF together with PI or something else--well, anything is possible and there are rumors of things coming, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting.

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11 hours ago, phrunt said:

I would say the Nox is selling VERY well... this is Codan (Minelab's) share price, note the massive rise from January/February when the Nox came out.  It can't be attributed to anything other than the Nox, they haven't released anything else new and nothing else changed.

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The dip there in November was pretty much ASX (Australian share market) wide.  Anyone who had faith in the Equinox and was investing in shares in Minelab did very well out of the release of the Equinox.

Quite a run up, all right.  But the gold machines (and whatever is happening in the gold fields) probably also had something to do with it, as a lot of Minelab's profit lies there.  Although I might prefer it to be an American company, I have to give Minelab credit for pushing the envelope with its VLF/PI machines, even though some models (those lacking real competition) appear outrageously overpriced.

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Unfortunately the market that sets the price, people are willing to pay it or else they wouldn't be selling and the price would be reduced. 

Minelab must be comfortable with the sales volumes.  It's the lack of competition holding the price so high. If they had a genuine competitor things would change, however unlikely that may be. Fingers Crossed 🤞

It also sorts out the serious prospectors from us occasional weekenders, people like Kiwijw who are out every chance they can get often a fair few times a week swing a GPZ, people like me who go prospecting occasionally mostly on weekends swing a GPX or a VLF 🙂

If it was your job and you were out every day of the week swinging a detector, you would be comfortable paying the price of a GPZ for the results, a lot of jobs require an investment, like a Taxi driver, they need to get a car. 

I used to think it was way overpriced, I've seen it in action plenty of times now, I'm comfortable with the price 🙂

 

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Regards Dual Core.......Did you know that the Fisher Goldbug Pro/F19/G2/G2+ has two (2) processors?    There is so much going on in the background that we as users never see.

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss First Texas with Carl and Dave Johnson et. al. On board. Carl did help bring the V3i, a 3 frequency machine, to market, and while I do not find it to be as stable across multiple environments as my Equinox, it is still my go to for most inland hunting. There are tasks the V3i is better at too. It is the best discriminator I've ever used in mild to moderate soil because of its tools and it's 3 frequencies. I find it's VDI to be unusually accurate. Of course I've dedicated a lot of time to that machine, but it's been worth it. And that 13" ultimate Detech brings the V3i to life in a way that no stock coils do, remarkably so. Dave did bring the CZs to market, which have stood the test of time. The F75 is a single frequency machine that operates like a multi in many ways. Still one of the very best machines out there.

Additionally, It is not common knowledge that Whites would be a lot further in the game if they hadn't stifled their engineers to a point where they felt the need to exit and/or go elsewhere. I have no doubt that the day is coming when First Texas is sitting in the catbird seat because of people like Carl. The things they were working on over there at Whites when everyone left, the world may never see from Whites now. The company gave away more than many companies accomplish. 

I agree with Carl in some respects and I agree with Steve in some. Though it is the performance that makes the machine, and I'm a happy Equinox owner, I don't care for the marketing tactics. They are disingenuous, as are many others,' and many units are sold based on marketing alone. I have spent a lot of time on social media and various forums to see people say they picked a particular machine solely on the basis of the number of frequencies it claims to run. In fact, this even affects Minelab purchase decisions as many people who own FBS products will not buy an Equinox saying things like "there's no way a 5 frequency machine can do better than a 28 frequency machine." If they understood the technical truth of the matter sooner they'd find that neither of them are either of that, and that the Equinox does actually have strengths that the even the CTX lacks. So my position would be that, yes most, if not all marketing departments use hyperbole, mislead, etc., it is important for there to be a rebuttal of those tactics by competitors when it comes to specific claims or implied claims that are being used for purchase decisions.

A little bit of knowledge is dangerous and that's what the vast majority of us have. Enough to be mislead, until we arrive at a point Steve has, where you say there's more to this than meets the eye without a full time career in it. I'll just stick to informed purchase decisions and what works. Learning not only are some machines not running as many as we've been misled to believe, but that it's also not a frequency numbers game to begin with is part of an informed purchase decision. Don't look at the numbers, but how people are saying it works. I do however think that going forward it's important for consumers understand that. If something better than the Equinox comes along running less than 5 frequencies or less than 28 in the case of marketing of FBS, many people will be cheating themselves going by specs that aren't easily understood until the real world checks in. Often unless there's a revolutionary difference it never does for some people until they read a thread like this and begin to question what they thought they knew. I've done a lot of research not only on metal detector technology, but the history behind companies and engineers. I've always found Carl himself to want to be accurate, honest and helpful. I don't think he's motivated solely by self promotion or promotion of FTP. 

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Cipher,

I agree 100% with your comment on using the Detech 13 Ultimate on the V3i. Using that coil and running the Deep Silver program and sweeping slow, can sniiff out deep silver extremely well. Just gotta listen for that high tone peep ! 

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I've had the V3i for a few years now, and just recently acquired the Ultimate 13. Prior to that I was experimenting with all the in house coils. I didn't want to run coils larger than those in its menu selection. More of a neurosis of mine. But people were praising it. I suspected hyperbole until I actually got my hands on one. I was impressed enough before. This coil has completely transformed my V3i. I don't want to take it off. I doubt I ever will. 

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yes 13 "coils have the deepest ID ...

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On 12/4/2018 at 9:54 PM, ☠ Cipher said:

So my position would be that, yes most, if not all marketing departments use hyperbole, mislead, etc., it is important for there to be a rebuttal of those tactics by competitors when it comes to specific claims or implied claims that are being used for purchase decisions.

I really like your entire post Cipher and I do agree with you.

How to fight manufacturers confusing and misleading? It takes educating the masses, and good luck with that, since we have a tiny voice and the manufacturers a HUGE voice. And it never ends. Latest Garrett catalog, hot off the press, bottom of page 29:

"Pulse induction metal detectors are also commonly referred to as multiple frequency detectors."

That is Garrett, an old line respected manufacturer, saying pulse induction detectors are commonly referred to as multiple frequency detectors. What utter nonsense. This is only being said to confuse, and to give the impression that yes, Garrett does multifrequency. Except they don't.

Manufacturers all need to be careful casting stones when it come to making confusing and misleading claims.

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