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On 11/30/2018 at 2:25 AM, Cal_Cobra said:

To be honest, even if given a MX Sport for free, the likely hood that I'd ever use it is about zero.  Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a fine detector in its own right, but already having the EQ800 and Makro Multi Kruzer, it simply brings nothing to the table that these two fine detectors don't already have covered. 

Sadly I think that's the reality for many, if not all single frequency VLF machines out there at the moment.  

Come on White's, you can do better, give us an updated V3i in a MX Sport like waterproof lightweight housing and you'll have a BIG hit on your hands.  

White's does offer absolutely fantastic customer service.  While Minelab is improving and Makro is already very good, White's is simply far and away the best in the industry and the gold standard for customer service.  This is coming from someone who has used most makes and have experience with each.     

But I agree that they really need to come out with an updated V3i.  They were really onto something great with that detector and they just need to take it over the finish line and make it into a near perfect flagship with just a few improvements. 

They don't have to make it super light weight either.  If they can keep the weight down to around 3.5 lbs or so, that would be perfectly OK so long as the balance was good.  I actually found my CTX to be easier to hunt with for long periods than my equinox because the balance was so much better on the CTX.  (I'm 6'4" and I've heard that the equinox balances ok for shorter guys, but certainly not for me.)  One idea for future detector design I've had is to put the battery under the arm cuff and make it so it can be slid forwards or backwards a couple inches to aid in finding a good balance.  This would not only accommodate for height differences, but would also allow adjustment for different size coils to keep the proper balance point.  As long as weight is kept reasonable, balance is actually more important for the ability to endure long hunts.  

Put the new V3i in a modified MX Sport enclosure, add aptx low latency wirelesss headphone capability, update the processor, improve the ground balancing system, keep the color analysis screens (Spectragraph rocks!), simplify the controls some, and I bet White's would soon regain dominance of the flagship market.  

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Whites needs a makeover for sure. Their latest detector, the Goldmaster 24k still has a big box under the arm cuff. That is  unacceptable with today’s technology if they want to continue to compete.

Bryan

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At least that big box gives it balance, something that drives me nuts with detectors, although now the Nox with 12x15" is much more stable thanks to the coil.  I mostly use the 6" coil on it though so it means laying it on its side is the best way to sit it down, any other way and it falls over on our rocky hilly ground.  I found that big box under the 24k's arm cuff a bit of a good feature.  Obviously everyones terrain is different and just improving the arm cuff stand on the Nox would probably solve that problem without the extra weight associated with the big box under my arm ?

 

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With the Goldmaster 24k, I believe the box under the arm cuff just houses the AA batteries.  That's a reasonable way to do it, IMHO, for a machine that is not waterproof.  The alternative would be to have the S-shaft hollow and thick enough at that point to incorporate a battery holder inside, with separate legs underneath for stability (like the Minelab Etrac and others). For a much more unsightly hanging box, look at the Minelab GPX 5000.  It seems to sell all right in spite of it ?

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AA batteries are old school too.

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I actually prefer AA or some other replaceable battery.  It's easy to carry spares in case they run down in the field. And you can also use rechargeable types, so no real downside. With built-in lithium ion batteries, you risk trouble with airlines, and you can't carry spares (yes, I know, there are power packs you can carry, to recharge in the field, but a hassle).

Note that Minelab's state-of-the-art SDC2300 uses ordinary C cells.

I suppose everything is moving to sealed li-ion batteries because of size/weight factors, but there are definitely cons...

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Just imagine that SDC2300 in a super light waterproof housing with changeable coils and built in rechargeable battery.  It just doesn’t seem “state of the art” in its current configuration to me, besides it’s ability to fold up.

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58 minutes ago, Dubious said:

With the Goldmaster 24k, I believe the box under the arm cuff just houses the AA batteries.  That's a reasonable way to do it, IMHO, for a machine that is not waterproof.  The alternative would be to have the S-shaft hollow and thick enough at that point to incorporate a battery holder inside, with separate legs underneath for stability (like the Minelab Etrac and others). For a much more unsightly hanging box, look at the Minelab GPX 5000.  It seems to sell all right in spite of it ?

Yep, the GPX looks like a small tank, but that box actually sits better on the ground than the Equinox. It's footprint is measured in feet :laugh:. With all the different machines out there, you would think that someone would make a better detector stand that you could just clip on. 

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I’m starting to look like a real downer here and I don’t want to be that guy.

Im just saying I don’t think the future is big clunky boxes filled with AA or worse yet C cells.  Look at the power that resides in our smart phones.  I have seen the light with the Equinox and it’s design.. It will take quite a jump in performance to get me to lay down money for a detector that is all wired up, clunky and heavy.. We have the technology to to do better then that.  

Bryan

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On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 12:45 AM, Ridge Runner said:

Both the MX Sport and the Equinox 800 are waterproof and that’s about where the two are alike ends.

 Now if we want to put the detectors that have the option to run in different frequencies then how would you place them in price? I speaking about the ones that have other frequencies but still run only one at a time .

 Now remember the Equinox is at the top with a price of 899.00 and a true multi frequency.

  Would you want to slip it in between the Sport and the Equinox in price? Maybe we could lower the price of the Sport and place the ones we’ve been talking about in it’s spot..

 Just thinking out loud but everyone has their own opinion.

 Chuck 

 

Given the choice I would still pick the Equinox. If I was new to the hobby and did not pick Garrett, then I would probably pick White's,  but only if the price was lower. I'm not sure that machine can compete between the Equinox and the Deus and still sell enough of them to remain profitable. But an odd thought just came to me...We all think that this is Minelab's top of the line unit. What if.... it is their entry level machine and they are holding back with releasing their mid and high end units in the $1500 - $3000 range respectively?? What would that do to the MX Sport and AT Pro units sales? I still think the MX Sport has potential, but with a price closer to the Equinox 600.

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