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XP Orx For Gold Nugget Detecting?

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OK, let's talk XP ORX. This is an offshoot of the XP DEUS that is set up more specifically for gold prospectors, though it does still retain some basic coin, jewelry, and relic features. Everything nugget hunting has been moved front and center, with other features pushed to the background. The XP Orx features the two new high frequency (HF) coils as one of the two options at time of purchase - either the 9.5" x 5" HF coil or 9" round HF coil. The new X35 coils offer three lower frequency coil options compatible with the Orx. The older black low frequency (LF) coils are not compatible with the Orx.

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XP ORX metal detector for gold prospecting and more

The Orx like the Deus is a selectable frequency detector. You can choose from one of several frequencies depending on the coil you are using. The frequency is dependent on the coil. The ORX high frequency coils give you a choice of three operating frequencies which cover most detection needs. The optional X35 coils have five frequency options. All primary frequencies have numerous offsets available to help alleviate electrical interference, but these shifts are so small as to make no performance difference. Ignore the statements about 21 frequencies and 35 frequencies as marketing games. The round 9’’ coil runs at 15 kHz, 30 kHz and 50 kHz. The elliptical coil has a higher top end frequency 15 kHz, 30 kHz and 80 kHz. The optional X35 coils run at a lower range of 4 kHz, 8 kHz, 12 kHz, 17 kHz and 25 kHz.

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XP ORX coil options and specifications

For those familiar with the XP Deus there are some key differences. The rod / shaft assembly has been remade out of injection molded plastic, eliminating the aluminum and rubber grip. This both lowers the cost of the rod assembly as one of the more expensive parts of the Orx to manufacture plus reduces the weight even more. The Deus is the lightest high end detector made and this shaves even more grams. The Orx rod and coil only weighs 770 grams or 1.7 lbs if you put the controller in your pocket.

Another big difference is in the wireless headphones. All controls have been removed except power and volume. This means that unlike the Deus you must have the controller with you if you want to make any tuning changes at all. Other wireless headphones options are not listed in the accessory list in the ORX User Guide (see image at bottom of this post) and so I can only conclude that the other XP wireless headphone options are not compatible with the Orx.

I have used the Deus HF elliptical coil and there is no reason to think the performance of this coil is any different using the Orx controller instead of the Deus controller. The coil itself is the detector after all and the coils are the same whether used on a Deus or an Orx. The only difference is in how the functionality is accessed and what features are available.

The Orx controller as has been noted earlier is set up for gold prospectors first and foremost. Click images for larger versions....

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XP Orx controller and basic functions

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XP Orx basic screen functions displayed

The Orx does not display target id information until a target is found. Then a pop-up screen appears, showing the target id number and a variable "iron probability" meter.

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XP ORX target id and iron probability meter

The long story short is I have used the XP Deus with elliptical high frequency coil and I believe performance here will be identical. And as far as I am concerned the Deus HF coils are right up there with the best high frequency gold prospecting options out there. I am not a hair splitter, so from my perspective there are quite a few good detectors in this category. Rather than try and determine what finds gold better than the others I tend to focus more on big picture aspects to determine the machine I prefer over others. Things like weight or how waterproof a detector is can sort things out fast, and personal preference issues like feel on arm and how the audio sounds make a big difference to me.

This is just my opinion but the appeal of the XP Orx is the very lightweight and very compact design. There is no other option as light on the arm except perhaps the for the Fisher Gold Bug 2 if you hip mount the control box. Then you are attached to the rod assembly by the coil cable. Not a huge deal, but the Orx being wireless gets rid of the possibility of that cable hanging up in brush.

On the other hand the Orx is priced a little high compared to the other gold prospecting competition. This is not a problem per se as long as you get all the features you need or want. However, if it was I and I wanted to make this detector to compete as a gold prospector I would have made sure the Orx could lay claim to being at least as good at gold prospecting as the Deus and it would be best if the Orx actually could be said to be the better gold prospecting option compared to the Deus at least.

Yet when you dig in it seems XP limited not just the coin hunting features but also some prospecting features. The big standout is no ground tracking on the Orx. Now I am not a huge fan of ground tracking but when you need it you tend to really need it, and for XP to leave tracking off the Orx when it is included on the Deus seems like a particularly poor choice since this is a detector intended for dealing with extreme ground conditions. Tracking comes at a cost normally, but it can be a huge aid in highly variable ground. I can live without it, but given the cost of the Orx as compared to the competition this feature should be included.

The other items I am not sure of is ferrous handling. The ferrous tone break appears to be preset and not adjustable on the Orx though you can change the pitch of the ferrous tone. Instead of an adjustable tone break XP appears to be relying more on the iron probability meter for making decisions regarding whether to dig ferrous or not. I may be missing something but I don't think at this time that you get to choose where the dividing line is on what reports audibly as ferrous and what reports audibly as non-ferrous. Consider the jury out here on this question until more information is found. Most people don't care about it anyway, and it may that the Orx reliance on adjusting the IAR (Iron Amplitude Rejection) serves well enough that adjusting the breakpoint is not required.

I am not really making any determinations here but I am just trying to lay out some details in hope it will help people make their own decisions. I have plenty of detectors that will detect small gold as well as the Deus or Orx so for me personally the thing that keeps me coming back to the XP machines is the crazy compact and lightweight design. Yet in looking over the features and price I personally lean more towards the Deus instead of the Orx. It seems to me XP is being stingy with features given the price and for just a little more money a Deus can eliminate questions about whether those features would be missed or not. If I had to buy right now I would be more inclined to get a Deus with 9" X35 coil. The top end frequency there of 27 kHz should do just fine on small gold and I would get features missing in the Orx. If I really needed extra high frequency hots I could add a high frequency coil as an option later.

More to the point, XP is saying this is a lower price option to the Deus. Technically that is true of most Deus models, but as of V5 XP has added enough capability to the WS4 module that the $799 Deus Starter Package actually offers the Orx competition at an even lower price. In that regard XP sort of shot themselves in the foot by upgrading the WS4.

Anyway, that's just a few thoughts from me on the Orx versus the Deus. I won't even attempt to get into the Orx versus all the competition other than to offer this chart below giving a big picture comparison. Given that the Orx is aimed at gold prospectors, and given how there is almost no mention of the detector on the prospecting forums I am very curious to hear people's thoughts on this model. Is XP doing the right thing here for prospectors? Or is it a swing and miss? Opinions?

XP ORX Information Page

XP ORX User Guide

Over 30 khz (LF) gold prospecting metal detectors 1/2019
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Here is the accessory list I mentioned above, plus the Factory Program list and specifications details. Click for larger views.

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XP ORX Factory Programs Chart

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XP ORX Accessory List

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XP ORX Detailed Specifications

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4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

More to the point, XP is saying this is a lower price option to the Deus. Technically that is true of most Deus models, but as of V5 XP has added enough capability to the WS4 module that the $799 Deus Starter Package actually offers the Orx competition at an even lower price. In that regard XP sort of shot themselves in the foot by upgrading the WS4.

That is pretty much my thinking.  I sold my XP last year but I had both HF coils and spent a fair amount of time using it as a gold detector.  My biggest complaint was I really wished it could have had a smaller elliptical coil option.  If the ORX was $200 cheaper I might be tempted to purchase one.  But even at that price it would probably be third on my list of possibilities.

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16 minutes ago, aufarmer said:

My biggest complaint was I really wished it could have had a smaller elliptical coil option.

That is an excellent point. Usually a hot VLF is for people after tiny gold, and not only are small coils a little hotter, but they fit into tight areas and actually get closer to the gold. Using my list above here are the smallest coils sizes for each model:

Nokta/Makro Gold Racer = 4" x 7.5" DD

White's Goldmaster 24K = 6" round concentric

Fisher Gold Bug 2 = 3.5" x 6.5" concentric

White's GMT = 4" x 6" DD

Nokta/Makro Gold Kruzer = 4" x 7.5" DD

Minelab Gold Monster 1000 = 5" round DD

Nokta AU Gold Finder = 4" x 7.5" DD

XP ORX = 5.5" x 9.5" DD

Optional coil pricing is also a factor. Any spare coil for the ORX will run around $400 while the other detectors feature "dumb coils" that sell for $150 - $250

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First time I ever saw gold prospectors stuck for a lack of words. I guess the lack of response is a response however. Not a mention of this machine on any of the other gold prospecting forums. If XP intends to sell this to gold prospectors they have some work to do it appears.

World Bored With High Frequency Detectors?

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2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I guess the lack of response is a response however.

That’s a good point. 

Not all, but many on here, have got themselves an Equinox in whatever configuration. 

5 seperate frequencies and Multi IQ across 3 different sized coils - so many options in 1 unit.  

Unfortunately for other manufacturers I’m barely even reading the specs of new VLFs. 

I dare say many others are the same. 

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I was going to mention that the EQ 800 was missing Steve from your list of over 30khz gold prospecting detectors. Northeast twisted my "arm" in now saying it. We really are very spoilt now for choices in the high frequency gold detector market & hence, is the world bored with high frequency detectors?

On another note. I went out for my first detect of 2019 yesterday, our saturday. It was stinkin hot, the grass was long but drying out, but still a pain for getting the coil down close to the ground. I took my main machine....the mighty Zed & the EQ 800, GB2 & the Gold Monster. I kid myself thinking I will give each high frequency VLF its own little turn. Trouble is once I grab one of them I just tend to stick with that one. Reason being.....I find them all so close in performance.....more so that when I am mainly using the mighty Zed the VLF's are just my pinpointers. Yesterday when I grabbed a VLF to pinpoint a Zed target I chose the GB2. Mainly because it was the only VLF that had the coil cable connected to the control box & it was just a matter of turning it on & I was in business straight away. It then dawned on me that the GB2 is instantly going as soon as you turn the on/off volume knob on. You don't have to wait for it to wined up like you do with the GM or the EQ 800. I know it is only a second or two & something pretty trivial but despite technology & these latest high frequency VLF's of today, I still find myself drawn to the GB2. I find it so simple & deadly & I love its bulletproof little coil & no nonsense controls. Like I said earlier, I find them all so close in performance that it really doesn't seem to matter which one I use.

My last detect of 2018 & l used the EQ 800 with 6" coil as my pinpointer for a Zed dig & it did the same job just as well as the GM & GB2 would have. In fact once I had it in my hands I went for a bit of a wander & found numerous small bits of gold with it. I didn't end up doing that post but will now.

Sorry to digress from your original thread. I know I can be a bastard for doing that but I get on a roll & away I go. Someone mentioned the world being bored with high frequency detectors :biggrin: & I jumped on that bandwagon with how spoilt we are for choice & how close they all are in performance. I will bugger off now.

Good luck out there

JW :smile:

PS: I found three small bits yesterday. Better than starting the year with a skunk. ?

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The Equinox is not marketed and sold primarily as a gold prospecting detector which is why I did not include it on the chart.

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54 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Equinox is not marketed and sold primarily as a gold prospecting detector which is why I did not include it on the chart.

Yes....I thought that would be the case & fair enough. ?

I can't believe you sold your Zed....& now Northeast as well. What have you started? :laugh: Of course you will have your valid reasons. I won't be selling mine anytime soon. 

JW :smile:

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XP ORX Testing Australia Comparision between the ORX and Gold Bug 2

 

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