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I've been stuck at home the past few days, my car decided to break down for the first time in it's life, the starter motor died and it seems I also have a fuel pump problem which is getting repaired soon, the starter motor is fixed so I'm mobile again as of late today.

Seeing I've been stuck at home time has been spent doing work around the house rather than anything exciting however today something unusual happened.  The big power lines that come from the windmills behind my house that power the surrounding area were shut down for about 2 hours with them diverting power from another area I guess as we didn't lose power but the lines were disconnected.  The reason for this is the old wooden power lines they have passing over the river are no longer suitable and they've upgraded to lines that span over the river rather than having a pole in the water.  I had a couple of hours around my property with no interference from the power lines nearby and I was stuck at home bored, a win win situation.  It's a pain in the rear in some ways as my outlook from the house now has big power lines in it that didn't exist before but these things happen.

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This is a photo of my back fence with a helicopter dragging the lines across the river which is behind the willow trees you see just below the helicopter.  All action down there at the moment with cranes and helicopters buzzing around all day long.  It was amazing to watch the helicopter flying along unwinding the wire between the poles.  The old power lines are to the left of the photo and there are about 15 windmills up on the hills you see in the background that power the area.  The little fence in the middle is to stop my dog getting in the back area as it used to have some pet sheep in there like all kiwi's have, they're now in the freezer.  🙂

This is a photo of the river, unfortunately according to history, and my attempt with my sluice there is no gold in it 😞

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This photo was taken around my neck of the woods and KiwiJW lives up in among those snow capped peaks up that way.  The other direction further south is the bottom of the country and has a cloud that never seems to leave and rains all the time, next stop, Antartica 🙂

I covered my entire back area with the Nox 800 and 11" coil in Park 1 with sensitivity 25 and all defaults and popped up two old 5 cent coins, pretty happy with that as I've hammered my yard over the past year with my detectors practicing how to use them but I've never been able to crank it up to 25 due to the power lines, usually sitting on about 21 sensitivity.  One is from 1998 and the other 1999 but they're very different colours from corrosion which is a bit odd.

I gave up on the Nox after finding no more and was going to go get the Gold Bug Pro as I'm enjoying using it lately with the Detech Ultimate coil, it is a really good combination on coins but as my last good find was the silver coin in my backyard using the Garrett Euroace I picked it up, that and the fact it still had batteries in it where the Gold Bug didn't.

The Gold Bug doesn't care about the power lines at all and I can run it in maximum sensitivity in my yard anyway so perhaps it was a good idea to use the Euroace as I usually have to run it 2 bars off maximum when near the power lines.

The power was still not running through the lines so the Euroace ran at maximum sensitivity with no false signals so I went over the area again, the area between the two fences you see in the photo but it extends 50 meters by 25 meters (164x82 feet). 

I got a signal I'd never noticed before with any other detector including the Nox I'd just used in this area.  It was repeatable and giving a pretty solid target identifiaction on the Euroace, only moving between 2 notches.

I dug and recovered a coin, about 35 cm's deep (13.7 inches) and thought wow, what's a semi modern 10 cent doing down that deep and threw it in my pocket and kept detecting.  Nothing else exciting turned up so I went to get the T2 to give it a turn but by the time I moved the batteries over from the Euroace to the T2 the power was back on so I didn't get to give it a chance.

When I came inside and cleaned up the coins I noticed the 10 cent coin wasn't all it appeared, it's an old 1967 One Shilling also having 10 written on it as it was produced in the year that NZ transitioned to decimal currency.  I've never seen one before, well before my time....

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This is the normal older style 10 cent I'd find, note it no longer has One Shilling written on it

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Here is a short video the reserve bank of NZ did in the year this coin was produced to inform people of the change over, it has my One Shilling/10 cent in it

Also a news story about the change-over

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/nz-adopts-decimal-currency

Sure, it's probably not the most valuable find but I'd never seen one before and it's the fact I was able to find it in a completely hunted out area because of a power outage, It's worth using power outages to your advantage if you ever encounter one.  Some research on the coin says this about it, " Over the years a few things have happened in this coin series. The coin catalog reports that many of the 1967-dated coins were melted in 2006, and this sends their price up a little bit over other dates. "  It's still of little value to them, but to me it's priceless, afterall I found it. 🙂

The Garrett Euroace with Nel Tornado coil proved again it's a deep detecting combination.  It's the second time now it's found a coin my other detectors have missed.  I don't know enough about the technical side of it but I think the low 8.25khz frequency and 12x13" Nel Tornado coil size is the secret to it's depth.  This is a review of the Nel Tornado on the Euroace which I tend to agree with pretty much everything he says, it's a great coil

https://www.detectorreviews.co.uk/nel-tornado-garrett-coil-review/

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Interesting looking coin with that butterfly. Too bad theres no gold in the river...i would be down there with my fly rod. I had to run the nox at a sens of about 17 the other day as i was in a metropolitan area cars everywhere and powerlines 20 feet away. My ctx does not suffer as badley from the emi but its not as effective in a high trash environment as the nox. Its great your discovering the different naunces with the different detectors. A guy with a Garret Ace found a 1854 silver quarter just the other day in an area that has been pounded to death with the ctx, xp deus and nox... you got me wondering what coil he was using lol

Strick

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Awesome find!

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Beautiful country!  Nice coin find too.

HH,
Cal

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10 hours ago, strick said:

Interesting looking coin with that butterfly.

😀:laugh:

It's not a butterfly, although I can see how you think it is, it does look like one now that you mention it, it's a Maori carved head or 'koruru'.

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I find it very interesting how deep the Ace detectors are and they do appear to love silver coins.  You should try find out what coil he was using, I am guessing the Tornado, it seems the popular combination for the Aces, especially in the UK.

The river behind me has trout and salmon, it and others nearby are considered some of the best fly rivers in the world.  My towns main tourism attraction is for fly fishers.

Next time I find a deep target like that using the Euroace I am going to try mess around a bit with the Equinox to see if I can get it, lowering the recovery speed and changing out of Park 1.  I am sure the Nox can hit on them but maybe not in default Park 1 settings.  The Ace had the advantage of the bigger coil too.

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Hi Simon… thanks for the quality photos that so aptly illustrate the accompanying text, and congratulations on the interesting coin recovery too!!! WTG!!! :cool:

With the outstanding silver coin detection depth referred to above, and of course this transitional coin find, the Garrett Euroace equipped with the Nel Tornado coil seems to work quite well in your soils. I think we can attribute that result primarily to your mild ferromagnetic soil minerals, and generally that the Euroace is specifically designed as a coin hunter. The 8.25 kHz operating frequency is advantageous for electromagnetic field (EMF) soil mineral penetration compared to mid-to-high operating frequency VLF units.

I haven’t checked but if memory serves, the Euroace has a fixed ground balance compensation point but I stand to be corrected on that point. In more severe soils, a fixed ground balance compensation point would certainly hinder detection of deeper targets. This is because we need to be able to adjust and maintain the GB compensation point precisely when operating over more elevated magnetic susceptible iron minerals. There is little or no GB adjustment latitude when detecting over severe ferromagnetic minerals compared to mild soil minerals.

The 12”X 13” Tornado coil would certainly add detection depth compared to the stock coil when used over such mild ground. In the tough ferromagnetic substrates where we prospect for silver, a larger coil on a prospecting-capable VLF unit would not add any significant detection depth. This is precisely why we employ PI units with larger coils to access deeper targets where minimal amounts of ferrous trash permit their advantageous use.

On a different note, a continual theme on the various forums is about the value of our finds. You’ve mentioned above about the minimal monetary value of the transitional coin recently found with your Euroace. You pointed out  that it has value to you for other reasons. 

The coins in the photo below have very little monetary value, and that is true of most of the coins that I find. But coin hunting at the picnic grove was fun, and certainly better than hanging around the house,  and there was a feeling of accomplishment because each was found through my own efforts. I think that is what matters most to me, regardless whether our interest in coins is historical, monetary, or aesthetical.......................Jim.

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9 hours ago, phrunt said:

😀:laugh:

It's not a butterfly, although I can see how you think it is, it does look like one now that you mention it, it's a Maori carved head or 'koruru'.

Next time I find a deep target like that using the Euroace I am going to try mess around a bit with the Equinox to see if I can get it, lowering the recovery speed and changing out of Park 1.  I am sure the Nox can hit on them but maybe not in default Park 1 settings.  The Ace had the advantage of the bigger coil too.

LOL I saw the face too and thought maybe it had a double meaning...guess I'm still confused  after finding that sun god thingy..try Field 2, Iron bias 0, recovery speed 5,  manual ground balance and run the sens as high as you can..

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4 hours ago, Jim Hemmingway said:

Hi Simon… thanks for the quality photos that so aptly illustrate the accompanying text, and congratulations on the interesting coin recovery too!!! WTG!!! :cool:

With the outstanding silver coin detection depth referred to above, and of course this transitional coin find, the Garrett Euroace equipped with the Nel Tornado coil seems to work quite well in your soils. I think we can attribute that result primarily to your mild ferromagnetic soil minerals, and generally that the Euroace is specifically designed as a coin hunter. The 8.25 kHz operating frequency is advantageous for electromagnetic field (EMF) soil mineral penetration compared to mid-to-high operating frequency VLF units.

Hi Jim, glad to see you posting again, I hope your computer troubles are resolved.

You're right about the Ace, it's a fixed ground balance unit and seems to really like our mild soils, I'm sure if in a different environment the results would be very different.  It might well be why the Ace detectors are quite popular in Europe due to their mild soils also.  They were so popular there Garrett made a special European version of the Ace, The Euroace setup for European coinage.

I have noticed on my T2 if I forget to ground balance it when I use it on coins the Target ID's are very off, after a ground balance they become much better.  This clearly shows me how much better a unit runs balanced to the soil type.  I guess the balance the Euroace is set to is just about right for the soil type here.

I was contemplating not even doing a post about those finds, they were nothing overly special to anybody but myself, however the idea of the post was to show the advantages of situations where EMI is normally present and taking advantage of a small window of time when EMI was gone. 

I am very happy with the Nel Tornado, It's results are similar to the Detech Ultimate, I'd like to compare the two coils on the same detector but that's not going to happen, I don't intend to buy anymore coils for the Ace or the Gold Bug as they're not my primary detectors.

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Land like that I would have to drag my flyrod along with the detector! Makes me feel like a seagull at a dump with the areas I poke through 😞

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