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5 minutes ago, Flowdog said:

Hi Dave,

I was hoping you would engage in a problem-solving dialogue. As a new detectorist I have found the collective knowledge of this board helpful and its members forthcoming, courteous and understanding. One of the many reasons I like detecting is its a puzzle needing a solution. Perhaps your encounter in tough salt water conditions has an Equinox solution that if solved, could propel your detecting experiences to a higher level than you have attained thus far?

Just a thought.

Curtis

I have been salt water beach hunting for over 20 years. I have used A sovereign XS, XS2a, Elite, GT, Fisher CZ-21, Garrett beach hunter AT-4,  Minelab Excal. I have tested several whites machines as well, but never owned one.  I am always open to helpful hints! 😉

Dave 

  

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Thanks for replying about the machines, It's strange your experience with the Equinox on the beach was so different to mine, in saying that you've used a completely different set of detectors to me and have a lot more experience beach hunting.  I found the Equinox suited me well and I had very little troubles at all, I guess like soils, all sand is different around the world in what it's made up of.

The BBS/FBS machines are a different ball game I guess but you would think the Equinox would behave a lot better on the beach in regard to EMI than some of which you mentioned, especially older units like the AT-4, maybe there is just a lot more EMI around than there was 10 to 20 years ago, even one year ago 🙂

Seeing you're not in favor with the Equinox, what detect are you going to be using now?  I doubt you'll have a hard time selling the Nox so that's a good start 🙂

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2 hours ago, midalake said:

I have been salt water beach hunting for over 20 years. I have used A sovereign XS, XS2a, Elite, GT, Fisher CZ-21, Garrett beach hunter AT-4,  Minelab Excal. I have tested several whites machines as well, but never owned one.  I am always open to helpful hints! 😉

Dave 

  

Dave,

I think I could make a pretty strong case that you are really not all that open to helpful hints. 😉 But that is beside the point and just poking a little fun.

Not knowing how much run time you do have on Equinox (I know I was not singing its praises after my first few outings with it) or what you were specifically hoping to for it to bring to the table over the other machines you mentioned above,  it is hard to ascertain if the issues you are having stem from inexperince with Equinox after one and a half extended Mexican beach trips or a possible defective machine (the need to use different sensitivities on wet sand vs. in surf is hard to analyze without knowing the specific beach environmental characteristics and yes cell phones are going to be a problem if you are forced to detect when and where the beachgoers are also swarming, something I tend to avoid, but have still not experienced the issues you have even with crowds).

Regardless, I think the answer you are looking for is plain as day and you know what it is.  Cut your losses, stop being frustrated, and simply chalk Equinox up to being a fail for your situation.  No one here is going to give you any advice that is magically going to recover your Equinox grade.  You are either feeling it or not.  And if not, then no sense banging your head against the wall.  Grab whichever machine you still own that out performs that C+ Equinox and enjoy beach hunting again.  You deserve it.  Sell Equinox and the rest of the dust collectors and use the bucks towards your next plane ticket down south.   I believe that approach is a win, win for everyone involved.  Maybe a less annoying machine will come down the pike soon and you can give that one a go.  Life is too short to stay annoyed because of a metal detector. HH.

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11 hours ago, phrunt said:

Seeing you're not in favor with the Equinox, what detect are you going to be using now?  I doubt you'll have a hard time selling the Nox so that's a good start 🙂

I am not totally discounting the Nox, but it will not go to the low trough with me often. I can see it doing well after a large wave event, high wet sand line where I can cover lots of sand. However that is a limited use. 

The EMI is concerning for me. I have talked to many detectorists on this beach every year. One thing never talked about was the EMI over...……..there.  I have never had a conversation about EMI on this beach until now.  I just want some people using the Nox to look closer and do some testing when the waves are moving lots of water. 

Dave

 

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8 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

it is hard to ascertain if the issues you are having stem from inexperince with Equinox after one and a half extended Mexican beach trips or a possible defective machine (the need to use different sensitivities on wet sand vs. in surf is hard to analyze without knowing the specific beach environmental characteristics and yes cell phones are going to be a problem if you are forced to detect when and where the beachgoers are also swarming, something I tend to avoid, but have still not experienced the issues you have even with crowds).

Hi Chase

I was there for over three months and detected 4 days a week for 3-4 hrs a trip. One thing I do like [which is local] The Equinox completely ignores the 1,2 and 5 peso Mexican coins, they ring in at -6 -7. This is an advantage in the wet sand as I can cover much more beach than I would otherwise. This is high season and any given day many hundreds use the beach.  But I really encourage beach hunters with forceful waves to check their targets when water is moving up and down that slope. The amount of targets that disappeared was just short of unbelievable. But just as fast to reappear once the water had drained out. Thanks to all who put tips on here. I can tell from my years behind a detector that the Nox is most likely a beast on land.

Dave

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You are going to have to decide if filtering out the nuisance coinage is worth all the other headaches you have articulated. You seem to be really frustrated, annoyed, and disappointed by the Nox ever since the headphone adapter debacle and continuing on through the latest excursion where having to simply adjust sensitivity on the fly drives you nuts.  I say give your blood pressure a break and try another detector that doesn't have a single F on it's report card much less the 3 F's Equinox scored for you.  I wouldn't stand for such poor performance and neither should you.  Dump it, is my advice.  Not a good fit for the one thing you want to use it for.

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Hi Dave,

I am not even going to try to give any hints (not being a beach hunter, you have already said you don't want to hear anything I have to say). I am going to make a general statement which is that default Beach 2 is by far the most chatty of the Park, Field and Beach modes in my high EMI detecting areas.

Like Steve and Chase, my remaining productive detecting time due to my age is too short for me to even consider using much less owning a detector that doesn't suit me for the majority of my detecting scenarios. If I can't trust it or if it has as many shortcomings as you have described, it's gone..............

Jeff

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Well said Steve.   I’ve been pretty happy with what the machine has put in my treasure chest.   The machine isn’t perfect....but most water machines there are things I’d love to improve.   I’ve never used PPing... I like AM....though I wished it was like the Xcal.    Conditions can make the difference with any machine....I’m in the Gulf and she works good

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My spin is this:  with a single frequency machine there's more of a tendency to be noisy in fast salt.  With  the EQ--targets are more in the background.  There's also a "bittyness" to the audio when it's not handling well.  Ive done okay with it in B2  2 tone with the NF tone at 25 and if  its making noise the TB jacked up to above zero.  Also I've been testing an "undertune" prog that keeps the GB way down at -9.  Seems to make targets stand out a little better.  Its no CTX thats for sure.   In ground where a pulse would be noisy no VFL gets off scott free--there's always a price to be paid whether you notice it or not.  Certainly not thrilled about a machine for the water that can't be heard  underwater...  cjc

 

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Clive - can you clarify a couple things - by NF tone at 25, are you talking volume or pitch? And how far above zero are you typically having to set the non-ferrous (NF) tone break (TB) under noisy conditions and what is your "do not go above" max TB setting?

Finally, what were you driving atvwith that last comment (i.e., "can't be heard...").

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