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  1. 13 points
    I went to the WSPA Outing in the Dale district over Thursday through Sunday...I managed to find this 2.5 grain nugglet. I did have to stay on fairly level ground. fred
  2. 6 points
    As always, the conditions, environment, personal preference and budget dictate how a person is going to mesh with a detector. Being in this hobby for over 25 years and owning close to 50-60 different units over that time frame, there were certain units that gelled with me and others, no matter how well they worked or how much praise they got from other people, they just did not gel with me. It was either the ergonomics, the tones, the way the interface worked for set up. Numerous things. I am sure this is also how others feel. There are units that just don't mesh with them no matter how much they try to like them, how well the unit works or what others say. What good is a top of the line unit if the person does not like it at all and will only hunt with if for a few minutes ? Point is, there are a lot of things that are subjective when it comes to what unit a person likes to use. The worst thing an experienced hunter can do is trash another persons preference. Yes...they have that right. But is it really productive ? Does it really help that other hunter ? Especially a person just getting into the hobby. If a person only has $200 to spend, the number of units available to them are slim. Especially if they want a unit that will work for more than a week. Tesoro has several low cost units that WORK. They will last and prior to their wows, had an exceptional warranty. Owning several over the years, I have NEVER had to use that warranty. Whenever I have a new person curious about the hobby and they want to come out hunting with me (salt water beach hunting not included !), I always hand them a Tesoro. At this point it's the Mojave. Even if they want to take the trek to the beach, it works very well in the dry sand so a beach hunt is not out of the question...they just can't follow me into the wet salt sand and suds. Set it up just like the gent stated, discrimination just above iron, and tell them to dig everything that has a solid, repeatable beep. Simple. They would look at me with my E-Trac, Deus, V3i, F75, CZ's or whatever unit I had the fancy to use that day and want to know what all the advanced settings do and what the VDI display tells me and I tell them don't bother. Plus, I don't use VDI much. I am a tone hunter for the most part. Even single tone works for me. Since it's their first go round, the main objective is to have FUN and find stuff. ANY STUFF. A Tesoro will do that. And the newbie can hunt for hours without any fatigue...physically or mentally (meaning no multiple tones to confuse them). We want newbies to want to get out again, want to learn more, want to research, want to have a smile on their face when they find a really cool relic, old coin or a piece of gold or silver. Bottom line is, everyone is different. Everyone has their own preferences. Telling someone who only has a few hundred dollars to spend that wants to get into the hobby, don't bother unless they save more money and get a much more advanced unit, is selling this hobby short.
  3. 6 points
    Went back out sand fishing today. Ran Beach 2, Sens 22, Recovery 4 and hooked a BIG ONE! 23.6 Grams, 14K, ID a solid 24. Thought it was a quarter. Liking this new setting. Thanks to everyone.
  4. 5 points
    One bottle cap two boot tacks and a target I could never find. Sorry it’s as near as nothing you can get! Chuck
  5. 5 points
    Well well well, My Taskmaster in WA has sent me a little notice that explains why he knew every day that I wasn't working on the patch.... He has his own spy net!!!!! This picture shows my camper, quad ,and truck... the backhoe and dryblower should be in there too.... maybe even ME Wow, we tore up heck over there didnt we... see how small that was in relation tho--- Lots of gold left for this coming year!!!!!! Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwww..
  6. 4 points
    On the first day of nugget shooting my detector gave to me .... a whole bunch of nuggets which made me very haaaappppppppyyyyy. ps. It's true, my first day of nugget shooting provided me with 6 nuggets at just under 3 grams, my biggest haul to date, with KiwiJW's guidance.
  7. 4 points
    I can loan you a 25 inch Nugget Finder mono coil. At one meter deep you should have no problem. You will probably pick up a train in China. JW
  8. 3 points
    This may seem hilarious but I want to use my detector to find a locomotive or two. In the 1920's some trains were buried nearby as a bit of a stop bank for the river to help with flooding as they no longer had a use for the trains when they decommissioned the train lines and their scrap metal value at the time was next to nothing. A team of guys are finding the trains to restore them to put them on display in the town. It seems from the surface currently the ones that have been found are about a meter down when you first encounter the metal but that could obviously vary, that's just ones they found using a digger exploring. I have a limited supply of detectors but I think possibly my GPX 4500 using the biggest coil I can get my hands on might be the best choice of detector? I can detect my car from almost what feels like about 2 meters in the air using the GPX and 14x9 Evo Mono and a train has a whole lot more metal than my car. I also have the Equinox with 12x15" coil, the T2 with 15" Teknetics coil and Garrett Euroace which is quite low frequency at 8.25khz with the 12x13" Nel Tornado coil and I have the 12x15" DD Commander coil for my GPX. Here is the ones they've found already And the Newspaper story on it https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109051796/trains-unearthed-in-southland-for-the-first-time-in-nine-decades Does it seem feasible I would be able to help them find more using the GPX or any other detector? It's been mentioned I maybe able to help them but I wasn't sure. Also, if the GPX is the best, is there settings on it that would be best to find bigger deep targets, I have it setup to find small gold. Thanks 🙂
  9. 3 points
    On the first day of nugget shooting my detector gave to me.....a hand full of shotgun pellets & a sting from a bloody honey bee. JW
  10. 3 points
    Mike makes some good points about misinformation, but (IMO) he unfortunately contributes to that misinformation in the end when he trashes air tests, nail board tests, and in ground test beds. They have their place when properly interpreted. The problem lies in misinterpretation, particularly when someone (apparently some YouTube video creators) steer you in a direction based upon their own biased interpretation. Same is true with detectors, as Mike and others here already have emphasized. Any detector with knobs/buttons can be set up incorrectly and end up looking like crap. Use it in the wrong environment, ditto. I personnaly avoid the detector comparison videos because the chance they are unbiased (that includes unintentionally biased) is pretty tiny. Oh, and based upon Mike's comments on the video (and also on some past reports on this forum) I'm going to look into getting a used Tesoro. 😁
  11. 3 points
    Actually this is not about an economy model cost savings measure on ML's part but is sort of the way the detector design community is headed as they move heavier into digital signal processing. It is not even clear to me that the CTX 3030 flagship detector has true all metal mode (as opposed to simply a zero discrimination pattern). I do not own a CTX, just went through the manual in detail, so I am sure a CTX expert will set me straight. But I can tell you with certainty, the Deus @ $1500 does not have a true all metal mode (Gold Field mode being the closest approximation). Point is, this is not about saving cost. It is about the the detector designers favoring digital signal processing over transmitting the raw unfiltered signal. All metal mode is not something you will automatically find on many high end detectors. So the OP's statements like, "When I pay $650.00 for a machine I expect it to have that option on it -period. Their is no excuse why it does not" that imply the lack of a true all metal mode is an Equinox oversight or that all high end detectors have this feature, is not consistent with many high end detector designs of recent years (though true metal is still a feature on a number of recently released detectors). Though I do understand why you like it, Maltfoto, my point was there are ways you can use the Equinox zero disc mode to your advantage without losing a lot of capability vs. true all metal and, as I discuss below, the 800 would have been more suited to your feature preferences and detecting style. The move in the detector community away from including All Metal Mode or at least the marketeer's imprecise use of technical terms that have kind of blurred the line between Zero Disc mode and (true) All Metal Mode is addressed in Steve's excellent Detector Mixed Modes Guide. This will better illustrate whey you will not find all metal mode on all detectors, even high end detectors, and also how it can be mitigated through mixed modes or intelligent application of available features on detectors which do not incorporate the feature. Regarding Equinox. Gold Mode available only on the 800 is probably the closest thing to a mixed mode. It invokes most features of true all metal mode through its use of VCO pitch like audio and true audio threshold for target acquisition and target ID at depth using the discrimination circuit. Though still not precisely true all metal, this weak signal mode is also the mode that is the ideal mode to test small gold target performance versus the Fishers. Again, it seems for the type of detecting Maltfoto prefers, the 800 would have been the better choice. Regardless, I think the 600 is a great complimentary detector that, despite its shortcomings, does still have advantages over the Fishers in some, if not most, scenarios. So hanging on to it and learning more about how to get more out of it with experience would be a great move by Maltfoto, if getting an 800 is out of the question. Thanks again to Maltfoto for kicking off a great discussion.
  12. 3 points
    You might get Minelabs find of the month again. JW
  13. 3 points
    I've been a member of the Ringfinders for about 7 years. Get a call for lost "Bling" about once every month or so. I've never charged anyone a cent whether or not I find the lost item. I just tell them to "Pay it forward" if they get a chance. It's been a lot of fun, especially if you find the lost item which is about 50% of the time. Over the years I've had 4 calls from women who threw their rings out the window of moving cars after arguments with their Spouses. Was lucky to find one of them. Makes me wonder how many other rings are out there besides our roads thru out the U.S. Being a member of Ringfinders has also opened the doors to other metal detecting opportunities as some people will give you permission to further hunt their properties.
  14. 3 points
    Got a little variety just not a whole lot of anything. Still using pk1, 5 tones, recovery 7, iron bias 3. I did switch over to field 2 when I dug the bullets but I have it set up the same as pk1.
  15. 3 points
    I have always respected you and have tried to keep the drama down to a minimum here...but its hard for me to do sometimes...😀
  16. 3 points
    The rest of the trip was nice though clouds kept threatening to move in. They would clear out however and the sun would appear again. With time running out I got back to detecting with the GPZ 7000 plus a little bit here and there with the Equinox. All in all I was only averaging about eight nuggets a lazy day of detecting, getting about 1/4 ounce a day average. Hand stacked rocks and bedrock - nugget detecting heaven! I have mentioned I have never found a nugget weighing even a half ounce at Gold Hill, though they are mentioned in the old records, and I know of some found more recently by others. I really thought I had one this trip however. I was in a bedrock gut leading into a mined pit that was producing nuggets. I got a deep signal in a bedrock pocket right in the bottom of the little gully. Whatever it was was wedged down in deep and tight, and when I first laid hands on it I thought "Aha!" but it was not to be. I found the largest copper nugget I ever found though there is very little copper exposed on the surface. I will treat it with acid later and post a photo someday, but for now here is what it looked like fresh out of the ground. Large copper nugget - should have been gold! The last couple days of this great trip were dedicated to some serious camp cleanup and so this adventure finally came to a close. My detecting had exceeded expectations. I am certain I could have found more gold had I worked more single-mindedly at the task, but the fact is this trip was a near perfect balance of relaxation and finding gold. I finished up with just a hair over 3 ounces of nice chunky gold. Three ounces chunky gold found by Steve with GPZ 7000 The Equinox 800 had proven itself to be an excellent tiny gold sniper on this trip. It was the GPZ 7000 that made the day however, literally making it feel like cheating compared to what the other guys were able to do. Dudley and George both got gold but it was the GPZ that impressed us all. I have long known how powerful the machine is, but this is the first time I have run it on ground I know very well. It was amazing at how easy it was for me to do well just one more time at Chisana and Bonanza Creek. Dudley had been hoping to find a couple nice pendant nugget for his daughters but the dredge kept finding smaller gold. I gave Dudley what I considered to be the best pendant nugget I found at 5 grams and traded a second 3.5 gram nugget for some fine gold he got dredging. Pendant nuggets 5 grams and 3.5 grams Again, just a fabulous trip. Thank you George and Dudley for the invite and a great time. I have learned never to say never, so I don't know if I will ever return to Chisana and Gold Hill again or not. I am grateful I got this last trip in however as it ended my decades of visits to the hill on a somewhat brighter note than the last time. I hope you all enjoyed this trip down memory lane and a rare look at places and times in Alaska that few will ever see or experience. I am very lucky to have been born where and when I was. I have seen Alaska transition from true frontier to modern civilization in my lifetime and this is just a small part of what I have experienced. There are many people in this tale who have not been mentioned at all out of respect for privacy issues. My thanks to all of them. Thanks again for riding along on this long thread! One last look at Gold Hill below.... Steve Herschbach 2018 Herschbach Enterprises Gold Hill at Chisana, Alaska
  17. 2 points
    Finally an English Language video xpmetaldetector Published on Dec 5, 2018 The ORX is the latest addition from XP metal detectors. It is a very simple to operate machine while still maintaining the XP Deus DNA such as Fast wireless connectivity, choice of detecting programs, and compatibility with the MI-6 pinpointer. The ORX has the new WSA wireless headphones and the S Lite telescopic stem that folds away into a small rucksack and deploys in seconds.
  18. 2 points
    I'm starting to worry my season may be over. This snow just wont quite leave the ground. Last Sunday was going to be warm enough for a water hunt, then the thunder lightening started happening. oof. I normally would have hung the waders up by now, but water detecting has been the only prospect for some coil time. We could use El Niño this year for sure. Now what? Wait? Maybe get a calendar and start crossing the days off with a big red marker? Write poems about the melancholy despot clinging to my treasure with its cool minty grip?
  19. 2 points
  20. 2 points
    Or read on this great forum.
  21. 2 points
    See the following links. http://forums.whiteselectronics.com/archive/index.php/t-71720.html?s=5fda398530e8ccfb77f5a14f4a4bdc89 http://forums.whiteselectronics.com/archive/index.php/t-71601.html
  22. 2 points
    Phrunt, You would refuse notoriety? But why? You could be called in for all the major projects! You could start your own Discovery Channel show. Watch out world ... I think you must already have the show written. Mitchel
  23. 2 points
    WTG Fred. That one cleaned up pretty good. It was a good time sharing a few stories from the past and hearing Jim McCulloch's stories for the first time. What a treat that was. I was out there watching. I didn't see much 'wobble!' The second morning I was there you were way off half a mile up this hill so you're getting your legs back. You were just maintaining that nice pace. The nuggets can feel Fred chasing them again. Mitchel
  24. 2 points
    4" x 18" DD coil for my V3 would be very nice. Doesn't have to be figure 8. Just a normal DD would be fine. Doesn't even have to work at all three frequencies. Even if it only worked on 7.5 would be ok with me. HH Mike
  25. 2 points
    Head to head shootout of the 9 inch coils...Steve if this causes to much drama I understand.
  26. 2 points
    Thanks!!! 🙂 25" is damn huge, that'll do the job nicely. We'll see what happens, seems like a fun mission, although If I find one I'll refuse to get my mug in the paper!
  27. 2 points
    Thanks Tim. It's a little rough but had good details. I'm still going to old schools and churches for the most part. The bullets were about a half mile from an old fort. There were some finds that did come from some old foundations we hunted.
  28. 2 points
    The decision makers at Whites really finally need to jump into the 21st century and give us a machine that can be updated, waterproof as a matter of course, wireless headphones as a matter of course, create wireless coils with a wired option (like others do with headphones, because wired is still the only solution in and under water, but with wireless coils you can upgrade hardware via coil change with coils that are tuned to their specific applications), create an app so that people can choose to use either a remote or phone to control their coil. Create a V4 or V5 that addresses the V3i shortcomings. It's still my favorite machine, but it needs improving to stay competitive. Keep the spectrograph, Polar Plot, etc., but also add an imaging program like Target Trace. Integrating with cell phone applications would be awesome. Open a metal detecting app market for developers. This worked wonders for cell phones. Look at all that's available now as people were given a platform to display their coding talents. This could work for metal detectors with optional cell phone control. Create a pinpointer that communicates with the host machines and adapts their disc settings. Add a small LCD to pinpointer. Do these things, or others will, or already are working on it.
  29. 2 points
    Whether Tesoro or any other brand, I've always found objective air tests, test gardens and nail boards to be instructive and predictive. It is no accident that the machines that do the best in this regard also tend to be the best in the field. There are exceptions. I won't get into those here because they don't include Tesoro's. I've always found testing of Tesoro's to be predictive and instructive in general hunting. The key is you have to either conduct them yourself and/or follow someone who wants to and knows how to conduct them objectively. They have gotten a bad name from people who get the results they want or don't know how to conduct them. You'll find that a lot on YouTube, so it's easy to write them off and throw everyone into a testing basket of deplorables. Personally, I like the performance of Tesoros. They will do as well as anything else out there in mild to moderate mineralization and in heavy trash. I no longer own Tesoro for the same reason I don't own any First Texas Machines (other than Carl's new pinpointer). They aren't multifrequency, and in Tesoro's case they don't have the kind of disc tools that you can only get from digital machines.
  30. 2 points
    Simply amazing . . . What an incredible series of adventures you've had Steve, and I love the pictures you've added which only contribute to the richness of your stories. There are a lot of little tips sprinkled throughout, ones that are worth noting for later recall. I loved what you wrote, and you have a nice, relaxed writing style that is very comfortable to read. My hat is off to you for the excellent job you've done while reliving your memories. Thanks again, and all the best, Lanny P.S. I'll have to come back later to add likes as I'm out of "likes" again for the day. (That just lets me know how much good suff there is on this site to like!)
  31. 2 points
    Such a cool story! I agree that you should check out trying to find a culvert buried under a road, which shouldn't be a problem, and that will let you know about which coil works the best for a large, deep target. If it's only a meter down, I imagine your machine should shout back at you with a strong response. On a different note, I remember speaking to a WWII veteran. He told me how after WWII was over, they dug huge trenches and pits by wartime runways and pushed planes into them, then set them on fire. However, he also told me of one pit where they just pushed the planes in and didn't burn them. Now, wouldn't that be something to find? All the best, Lanny
  32. 2 points
    In case somebody has missed it: Now that's impressive.. great work, thank you!
  33. 2 points
    In the forums/social media shakeup, those that stay in the forum game will reap the rewards. Forums that stay focused on organizing information, and filtering trolls without becoming draconian about their rules will survive and grow. This is one of those. Forums like Findmall, TreasureNet, etc will die out with the old timers due to their own silliness, draconian style, and focus on the bottom line rather than the hobby itself. I like the combo myself. I like coming here for serious business (research, fruitful, engaging,conversation) and organization, and I like the freedom of social media. The endless scrolling of social media is the reason good forums will continue to exist in the short term, until social media learns to provide methods to organize. Serious troll free engagement is the reason some will always survive.
  34. 2 points
    Bedrock Tips:How many of you have had the chance to work virgin bedrock? By virgin, I mean that the bedrock has been exposed by modern mining. In other words, the bedrock has not seen the light of day since the gold was originally deposited on it or in it eons ago. Moreover, a chance like this is a rather rare opportunity because it requires prior connections with the miners in order to have access to this bedrock. After all, it's very expensive to remove the stubborn overburden to expose the mother rock. Furthermore, some miners are very sensitive about allowing anyone access to their virgin bedrock for any reason at all, if ever. It's a bit of a loaded request, even if you already have a personal relationship with the miners. So, if there's no prior relationship, the chances are slim to none for access, and even if you do have a relationship, the answer could still be no. You have to be ready for any eventuality.However, if and when you do get the opportunity to work such bedrock, there's a few things that will help your chances in finding any residual gold left behind from the mining activity.First and foremost, ask questions. Find out where the heaviest run of gold was in the pit. For example, find out it the deposit was heavier in a dip in the bedrock, on the start of a rise, on a shelf, at the bottom of a long drop, etc., and find out if there were certain colors in the dirt that indicated better pay: oranges, reds, grays, purples, blacks, etc. With the answers to a few questions like these, you can improve your odds of checking the most-likely places in a large excavation. For instance, you'll find areas that were barren by asking like questions (areas of loose wash, etc.), and you'll locate areas that were hot spots by doing the same.When it comes to detecting, you'll need to pay careful attention to the answers to your questions plus you'll need to pay close attention to what the detector is telling you about the temperature of the rock you're hunting. For example, if race into the pit and start swinging like a madman to cover as much ground as possible in the shortest time, you'll be doing a disservice to yourself. Why? Virgin bedrock demands respect, and it demands a slow approach while listening to the ground minerals and scrubbing the surface to obtain every cm of advantage while listening carefully to the tiniest alterations in the threshold. As well, by paying close attention to the mineralization, you will learn which coils will be most beneficial, including which size of coil to utilize. (A variety of sizes may be necessary to do a proper job, and in extreme ground, the wrong coil type will be an extreme waste of time.)As to the bedrock itself, you may wish to employ a tiny detector like the Falcon to find streaks and runs of fine gold that will elude your bigger detector's coils. It's surprising how much fine gold can be left on bedrock or caught in cracks. I had my eyes opened wide several summers ago to just how much gold gets left behind and just how much fun it is to use a tiny detector to chase pockets of fine gold!As for non-electronic sniping, it's very important to study the rock carefully. Often when working virgin bedrock, clay is a common occurrence. And, that clay is a great hider and or robber of gold. Moreover, look at what's riding within the clay. Are there little stones of various sorts? Is it just slick clay (no inclusions)?As well, be meticulous about examining the surface of the bedrock. Sometimes what looks like perfectly level bedrock with a solid surface may have cracks and crevices perfectly camouflaged by the minerals that are running within the clay, minerals that match perfectly in color the host bedrock. Use a variety of tools to scrape and scratch at the surface. I've been stunned while sniping non-electronically more than once by uncovering small cracks and crevices in this manner, ones that held a surprising amount of good gold.As well, if the bedrock is dry, get a good sledge hammer and hit the bedrock to see if any puffs of dust arise like little fountains of fine particles. This signals a crack or crevice. One of the wonders of bedrock is that a crack or crevice may be snapped shut tightly, but widen below its mouth significantly. I remember the first time I found one of these: it had a pocket of small nuggets in it, and the nuggets were far too big to have found their way into the crevice opening. There are lots of theories as to how this happens, but the important thing to remember is that it does happen. I've also found larger nuggets this way as well when sniping without electronic backup. What tools help with this process? For inexpensive alternatives, a blade screwdriver bent at a 90 degree angle; a wire brush; a stiff bristle brush; an awl; a pocket knife; a small metal gardening shovel; a variety of household spoons (teaspoon size to tablespoon--be sure to have sturdy ones that won't bend easily); a small sledge and a couple of cold chisels for widening cracks and crevices; if water is present, a suction gun of some kind; etc. With virgin bedrock, you will have the chance of a lifetime to find gold in a place that no one else has ever looked, so take the time to do a thorough job, and the reward can be great. On a connected note, I've come behind others that have worked such places in a hurry and found some beautiful nuggets (larger than anything they found) because they tore across the bedrock in a mad rush to cover the entire area. The sad truth is that if they'd have slowed down and paid that virgin bedrock the respect it deserved, they would have found the bigger gold instead of me. All the best,Lanny
  35. 2 points
    Hi Tnsharpshooter, I use one. I do most of my placer prospecting in Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana. When water is scarce or not flowing fast enough for my Gold Hog River Sluice or the terrain or regulations prevent me from using my high banker or the Gold Hog sluice I can always fall back on the Flow Pan. I am 63 years old and pretty fit. I can go through a 5 gallon bucket of dirt with the flow pan in around 5 minutes if I have enough water to fill say a 6" deep by 24" square area. It is not hard to use and will definitely trap all sizes of gold down past 100 mesh without having to do any major classifying and with minimal loss. I will just remove any stones larger than a golf ball by hand when I wet my material or as I'm shoveling the dirt in. Anything smaller will go out by itself. I have backpacked in and used this pan successfully above 12,000 feet several times and it came in really handy this summer near Fairplay (Gold Rush Show) Colorado when my club claim lost it's water source for awhile. Two of us had one and we processed 20 full 5 gallon buckets pretty quickly. It works pretty well as a dry pan too. If you and/or your lower back hates to classify material (like me) the Flow Pan and the Gold Hog River Sluice are one way to go for sure. Jeff
  36. 2 points
    Great seeing the final chapter and all the photos from Gold Hill. I read of the early adventures many years ago at AMDS. I first visited that country in Sept of 71 hunting the hills across Jack Creek from the Nabesna road with my dad and uncle. The Nabesna river sand bars closest to the road used to be a landing strip from the building of the AK HWY era and littered with hundreds of 55 gal drums. Beautiful country.
  37. 2 points
    Modern induction balance (VLF) detectors usually can operate in two basic modes. A true detect everything all metal mode or a discrimination mode. Discrimination modes use various filtering methods to help separate desired targets from the trash. The filtering takes away from overall depth and the target identification gets less reliable with depth. In nearly all cases a detector operating in a pure all metal mode will find targets deeper than a unit running in a discrimination mode. It is possible to take a detector running in discrimination mode and set it to accept all targets. You are now running with zero discrimination, and the detector now sounds off on all targets. The problem is that some detector manufacturers are labeling this zero discrimination mode as an "all metal" mode since all metals are being detected. Unfortunately, you have not really turned off the discrimination. A true all metal mode employs no filtering at all, it directly reports a target. In zero discrimination the target is still being filtered, but you are telling the machine to report all filtered targets as good targets. The bad news is you still are losing depth and sensitivity compared to the true all metal modes. Most metal detectors are made for coin detecting, and so most only run in a discrimination mode. You can set them to accept all targets, to run zero discrimination, but these units simply do not have a true all metal mode. All metal detectors designed with serious prospecting in mind have a true all metal mode. The reason is simple. True all metal nearly always hits hard to find targets, either very deep items or very small, better than detectors running in a discrimination mode, even when set to zero discrimination. This is so important to me that I will rarely ever consider purchasing a detector that does not have a true all metal mode. Be careful when buying a new detector that if you want a true all metal mode you do not end up with a detector that really is offering only a zero discrimination mode. One clue is that a detector with a true all metal mode will also have a threshold control to set the audio in the all metal mode to a barely perceptible sound level. Zero discrimination modes are usually what is referred to as "silent search" modes without a threshold sound and therefore no threshold control. It is possible for a detector to run in all metal and discrimination modes at the same time. This is referred to as mixed mode Very cool! I am not sure who first came up with this feature but Nautilus has for a long time offered units that put the all metal signal in one ear of your headphones and the discrimination signal in the other ear. More common are detectors that put the all metal output through the speaker and the discrimination signal on the meter. The White's MXT has the Relic Mode, which is a mixed mode. I wonder how many people use Relic Mode but really do not understand it. Good targets give a high pitched chirp. Junk targets honk depending on where the discrimination knob is set. But there is a third, more subtle audio that indicates a target is there but the detector cannot identify it because it is too deep. This is the all metal signal. The meter will be blank but there will be an audio signal. When nugget detecting, you want to hear these, and dig down until the target id kicks in. I think many people focus so much on the other two audio responses that they ignore the fainter deep all metal signal. It is easy to fall into a habit of just digging only those high pitch targets. Not good. White's V3i Mixed Mode program option The various Fisher F75 and new Gold Bug models have a basic single tone in all metal, but the meter is still active in discrimination mode. So you get the signal, then check the meter. If within range, you will see a target id. If deep, the meter will be blank. It is very similar to the old Compass Gold Scanner Pro, which had a target id meter that functioned while in all metal. The White's V3i has a very powerful programmable stereo mixed mode setting. The DFX also offers mixed mode. The new Garrett AT Gold has a true audio all metal mode while the meter is still working in the discriminate mode. The same thing can be achieved with many detectors by running in all metal mode and then, after a target is acquired, switching over to discriminate mode to check the target. The obvious downside is that this requires lots of switching back and forth, and a mixed mode detector eliminates the switching. The key to mixed mode is simple. Those targets in a good location that are so deep you get no indication on the disc channel are the ones you really want to think about. If the area has produced good finds but is now near to being worked out, these deep signals are the ones anyone running in a normal discrimination mode is going to totally miss. Sure, it could be trash. But really deep targets are often the best, and so digging some of these on occasion can produce some really good finds. I have found from my personal experience that detectors often run smoother and targets are easier to hear in all metal mode. I tend to prefer a detector that has an audio all metal mode coupled with a metered discrimination mode. I just listen for the target, and once I hear it I stop and analyze it with the meter. When in doubt, dig it. Some people prefer to dig only targets that read as probable good targets as they do not like digging junk. I tend to dig anything unless it is almost sure to be junk. In other words, I dig the iffy targets. That means I dig more trash but it also means I make finds others miss. It does depend on how patient I am feeling though, and some days I will just dig those really good targets. Those are getting harder to find these days. The only place mixed mode does not work well is in very trashy locations, especially the units that generate multiple tones. It just gets real noisy. But for many experienced detectorists mixed mode is a sort of secret weapon. Now you know why! ~ Steve Herschbach Copyright © 2010 Herschbach Enterprises
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    Yeah maybe 5" fresh snow in Reno yesterday....
  39. 1 point
    Hey Mike, best bet is to call the factory and ask to talk to a repair tech - 541-367-6121. For reference here is a YouTube video that goes through the menu system -
  40. 1 point
    I can but echo sentiments expressed.. Thanks for the ride-along..! Swamp
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    Lunk said: Tis the season for nuggetshooting Well, I think we need some lyrics for the Twelve Days Of Nugget Shooting so ...
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    Please, JW, let us not speak of dribbles!! Thanks everyone, I love the hunt and I am very happy to get out there...wobble or not. fred
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    Can you please send us a picture of you detecting your car 😄😄 RR
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    Since the V3i is still the most advanced detector made but is a bit cumbersome , put all the V3i features into an MXS package. Perfect. 😛
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    Most likely operator error giving me these erratic results. ;) Thanks for the responses everyone. I had a hunt yesterday that I felt like I was holding onto both reigns trying to control the 15"... constant barrage of tones all over the scale.. I don't blame the 15"... I blame myself for not matching the coil with the site. I will continue my education of the Equinox and the 15" coil... as they say... time takes time. :) ~Tim.
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    Thanks guys! I enjoyed learning new things from you guys as well as reinforcing things I learned on my own. I hope we can meet up and hunt together again in the future. I'm itching to get the Zed out more and the snow is here for me now. Winters for me are research research research (with hopefully a week to AZ ) BTW pulled a grammer out of the gulch with the SDC before the snow hit. My hands are still cold digging in that water
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    Nice summer's play-day for you, Peg.. 💰 Guess you'll be rolling in soon down this-a-way.. Fortunately you missed the red tide issue we had 2nd half of Oct.. Caught a ride over on the gulf stream from the still-going-strong mess in SW FL.. Lucky for here there was rapid dissipation following a moderate fish kill; ocean locally back to normal bacteria count since early-mid Nov -- meaning it's safe once again to breath the air and get wet beachside.. Can't remember if you have the addy for area surf cams, so here it is: https://www.surfguru.com/ I live far enough from the shore these days I check 'em before heading over; you may not need to do so.. Swamp
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    Not just multi frequency (either simultaneous or sequential) but new methods of analysis of the returned signal by sampling multiple signals or time slices of signals. The remaining problems to be solved in our hobby are reliable iron ID at depth especially in mineralized soil (or more correctly correct ID of non ferrous) and iron “see through” to detect the presence of non ferrous adjacent to or below ferrous targets. Current multifrequency systems help with the first problem, but do little or nothing with the second. I believe that this is significant in an era where the sites we have access to have been gone through with lots of different machines. Traditional one frequency at a time frequency domain detectors offer literally nothing new. They work just fine - and do what they have always done - nothing more.
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    I knew the ground had seen a lot of detecting, and so I was not sure how the GPZ 7000 would work out. I was sure lots of tiny gold bits remained however, and I knew the new 6" coil for the Minelab Equinox 800 was super hot on tiny gold. I therefore initially was going to use this detector a lot during the trip. I figured it was a perfect opportunity to show off the new 6" coil and what it can do by finding a large pile of tiny gold. In particular it gave me an opportunity to fine tune my Gold Mode settings for the Equinox 800 that I wrote up into an article later on. Minelab Equinox 800 on patch of decomposed bedrock Tiny gold nugget in scoop found with Equinox The photos above are great because it shows detail of the little patch of sand the Equinox is sitting on..... Minelab Equinox sitting on "patch of sand" It would be easy to walk right by a little patch of sand like this in the middle of a flat stream bottom. However, you are looking at exposed bedrock. The volcanic basalt rock here decomposes on the surface into coarse sand. The clue is the particles are sharp edged, not rounded. As you dig deeper the material turns to rounded pebbles in sand, and then crumbly rock, and eventually solid rock. See the GPZ photo in the last post for another look. The gold however starts right at the sand layer, which is where the original solid rock surface was when the gold was deposited. The rock then weathered over millenia with gold both at the sand layer and also deeper down where it had settled into the more solid material. Spotting a location like this can make all the difference - I found a half dozen tiny gold nuggets here on my arrival and added a few more later. Half gram of Minelab Equinox gold nuggets The problem with this is the tiny bits do not add up as fast as the larger nuggets. After my initial success with the GPZ 7000 I suddenly lost interest in using the Equinox as much, though I regret now that I did not make more use of it than I did. The weather on our arrival had a few days of colder weather with freezing temps overnight, but then cleared up into the sunny interior weather I have often experienced at the mine. A day of rain slowed things up a bit but I got another 4.5 grams in seven nuggets. The next cool day it was five more nuggets at 4.1 grams. The following day saw the weather lift and warmer temperatures prevailing. What I was finding with the GPZ is that we had done an excellent job over the years depleting the shallower gold. There were however lots of gram type nuggets just a little out of reach of the VLF and older PI detectors that the GPZ 7000 with my Insane Settings were lighting up at depth. In general though there was no one hot spot - it was just scattered gold everywhere I went. There would be a little deeper pocket of crevice in the bedrock, and out would pop a nice nugget with a decent signal.Then a half hour might go by, with another nugget found. Nugget excavated from pocket in bedrock We settled into a pattern of lazy mornings around camp. I would generally wander down the creek with George for a half day of detecting. Then back to camp for early supper. Then back out in the long evening for a little more exploring or prospecting. That being the case I was more of less working half days with the GPZ 7000, but I was finding 6 - 10 nuggets a day often getting 1/4 oz in a day. That first bright, sunny day I found nothing all morning, but then hit a better area in the later part of the day and got eight nuggets for 6.9 grams of gold. 6.9 grams found with GPZ 7000 I was feeling quite confident with the GPZ 7000 now. I was cherry picking, as the solid nuggets made nice, sweet clean tones. The hot rocks tended to warble. In material over a foot deep I did switch the General/Difficult to shut up the larger hot rocks that might be found at depth and was still getting good performance on the larger gold nuggets. By and large I tried to stay with my hot settings however. They really did allow me to run the coil over a few inches of compacted brush to punch through and find nuggets in the bedrock below. It was great fun, with the hardest work being the digging/hacking of the nuggets out of bedrock crevices. I purposefully went after a area of large broken bedrock and brush that had foiled me before but where I swore gold had to be lurking. I almost immediately banged out a 5.9 gram nugget, my largest of the trip. 5.9 gram gold nugget found with GPZ 7000 I honestly had no expectations at all for this trip, and had set no goals with the idea of just taking it easy a day at a time. Yet here I was early in the trip kind of surprised at how well things were going. I was motivated to hunt later than normal that day, and ended up with almost a half ounce of gold in eleven nuggets at 15.2 grams total. My total for the trip was at 1.21 ounces, and I already felt pretty happy with the gold. This in turn takes a little performance pressure off, making things even more enjoyable! GPZ 7000 working hillside area To be continued....
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    Hi Rob, A bucket line dredge is a much larger mechanical mining method. These scrapers are just the opposite of a bulldozer blade. The dozer blade is pushed ahead. These scrapers drag behind instead to collect and move material. They can be pulled by a horse, hoist, or mechanical crawler. The one I have pictured is described in the passage below as a "bottomless scraper". Sauerman Brothers Crescent Power Scraper Sauerman Brothers, Inc. 1918 - 1937 From Placer mining in the western United States - Part III Dredging and other forms of mechanical handling of gravel, and drift mining by Gardner, E.D., and Johnson, C.H., 1935 U.S. Bureau of Mines page 19: Scrapers & Hoists Scrapers and hoists have been used for excavating and pulling placer gravels to washing plants. A scraper set-up with ground lines only consists of a hoist, usually with two drums, a scraper, and a cable. The scraper is pulled forward by the hoist over the gravel and picks up a load which is then pulled to the washing plant. The cable for pulling back the scraper goes through a sheave on the far side of the pit . To allow latitude of operation the sheave usually is attached to another cable stretched at right angles to the line of pull. The sheave sometimes can be shifted at right angles to the pull by means of a third drum on the hoist. The scraper is pulled on the ground both ways. The set-up with an overhead cable is more elaborate; additional equipment consists principally of the overhead cable and a mast. After being filled the scraper is run to the plant and back on the cableway. The scraper or bucket is elevated by tightening the headline. Both bottomless and closed-bottom scrapers are used with ground lines and only closed buckets, usually of the Page type, are used with cableways. Boulders in the gravel and points of bedrock projecting up into the gravel cause the scrapers to jump. A bottomless scraper will loose its load on hitting a boulder, and a scraper of the closed type is difficult to fill in bouldery gravel. In easily dug gravel the bottomless scraper usually delivers a full load and can push considerable loose material ahead of it. The load is dropped by simply pulling the scraper backward, an advantage that scrapers with bottoms do not have. A closed-type bucket operating on a headline overcomes some of the difficulties of excavating with a drag; furthermore, it can be run at a greater speed once it is filled and the headline tightened. For long hauls the headline or cableway excavator has a further advantage in lower power and labor costs; moreover, the excavated ground can be elevated to the plant at any desired height with less trouble. However, this type lacks the mobility of the straight drag scraper, is more difficult to install , and because of the additional and heavier equipment has a higher first cost. A scraper is not suitable for digging placer gravels underwater. It follows the line of least resistance and leaves islands of bedrock untouched even where other conditions are favorable. The water is roiled by the digging, and the scraper works out of sight. Moreover, the stirring permits the gold to settle in the gravel being moved, and considerable gold may be left behind unless the pit can be pumped out for cleaning up. For many years scrapers have been used successfully at sand and gravel pits . They have been tried at a number of placer mines in the Western States but generally have failed, usually because boulders were encountered in the gravel. In Alaska, however, scrapers have proved successful under favorable conditions and have been preferred to other types of excavators. Advertisement for the Sauerman Brothers Scraper
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