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Met up with Mitchel, Northeast & another forum member (sorry, didn't get your profile name not to mention I am terrible with names anyway) and we went out to a spot I have done okay in the past. The area was a mix of surfacing, some reef workings and slopes down into gully's so a mix of very shallow to deeper ground. I could only stay for a few hours but found one in the area, down about a foot, so gold is still there, hopefully the others got onto some nuggets & will post them up.

Well 15 minutes in to sorting out his detector this am Yank 3 hits his first nugget in the cap—- Now they know what we mean by, “CAP” It is Saturday here and Trent has got them in the on-site classroom—? One’s detecting and the other is exploring with T. Fun times —-15 minutes to bust the skunk—— now we we see how long it is till the next one shows!!! We have the beginnings of a nice camp. Pictures later. UPDATE: Yank 3 has his 3rd nugget.... ?

I have been keeping an eye on the weather forecast for the last week and it paid off. I found one beach with some nice sand movement and I hunted there for five days. I managed to dig 5 gold, a few silvers and $70.92 in clad. The diamond chips on the two rings are real and all rings are 14k. One of the 14k is plum gold and another is 14kpc (pc= platinum coated). Good luck out there and happy hunting.

So my new Whites 24k arrived this morning finally after some issues with New Zealand post "before I begin I must give a big shout out to the guys at sneedens who are brokers for customs etc they made everything very simple for me... Right back to the detecter.. I wasn't sure what to expect as there is very little information out there bar the odd person and dealers pushing it. As I've owned many detectors over the years minelab grew on me as my favorite mainly because they were simply superior to the rest. Anyway I wiped up a unboxing video I then moved on to do some playing just with air tests and tho they are just that air tests I was pretty dam gobsmacked to say the least as it was pouring down out side icouldn't venture out to do some ground tests but from the air tests it's got the monster for depth The rain finally gave up this arvo so I grabed some gold ranging from non registering to 1.68 gm and in between. And set out for a spot close to me that was one of the big gold rush areas , now I'd taken the gm1000 here before and it was quite chatty in the upper sensitivity regions as the gm1000 is generally. Now once there I had a play with the 24k just with settings etc and to my surprise the ground there registered 90 on the ground balance to hot as hell was no wonder the gm1000 struggeled here but I was running the 24k max sens 10 vsat lowest it goes and the threshold was rock stable I was using locked ground balance and I do have to say that both the ground grab and xgb was incredibly quick to balance. No the ground is full of black sand so it did kill the depth on targets but not as much as I thought and I could still get the 0.00 non registering bit even with a layer ground on top . But I have already found a quirk with this machine that's a positive if you put it in xgb but run it with a negative ground balance of about - 2 for 30 seconds or so then lock it change it to positive 2 and then manual ground grab the machine goes as quiet as a church mouse with just the threshold hum no hot rock or ground feed back only targets make any noise.. But it hit every target clean and at good depth that 6 inch round is impressive but I can't wait for the 4x6 early next month... Now I also found the threshold as almost to stable for the sensitivity as I said I started on max and was stable as with bit of ground noise that I was able to get rid of as mentioned above. Now when I turned the sensitivity down to 7 I gained depth.. Lol yes gained I think on 10 it was geting over loaded by the black sand abit even tho my threshold was rock solid I gave up playing with my gold targets and went for we hunt knowing people use it for sighting in rifles there and I managed to pick out lead fragment one after the other as I went along.. Also worth noting there is Zero and I mean zero coil noise you can bash it scrape it knock it on things and not a peep... its going to be a learning curve to learn its qurkes but so far I have to say it beats the monster in just about every aspect apart from the monster being able to be custom made on broom stick or bush branch lol..

Got a tip from a friend on some BLM land that has produced gold in the past. I spent 4 1/2 days (30 hours of detecting) while camping out there. Weather was quite good -- only rained intermittantly for part of one day; typical temps were 70's F daytime and 40's F nighttime. Got lucky to have had recent rains which brought out the flowers: I always try and learn as much as I can while MD'ing, regardless of the site/location and intended finds. I was hunting with the Minelab Equinox 800 with 6 inch coil in Gold 1 mode, White's Prostar headphones coupled to the WM08 wireless receiver. It was nice to get away from the EMI I typically deal with at home (coin hunting). However, the hot rocks more than made up for that! At the start of each day I adjusted my settings, taking advantage of what I had used previously but also trying to keep an open mind as to what would run the quietest. Over the 4+ days I tried gains (sensitivites) between 16 and 23, ran all metal or disked out just {-9,-8, -7}, notched in only {-2,-1,0,1,2}, tried all recovery speeds in {4,5,6,7}. I Ground Grabbed most of the time but did try tracking, which didn't seem to make any improvement at this particular site. The ground phase was locally pretty stable, only varying by about 1 or 2 typically. Regardless of settings there was always at least of bit of noise from hot rocks to put up with. Surprisingly sometimes the hot rocks ID'ed at 12. As if the Equinox needed one more object to read that value.... The biggest false signal I had to deal with was wet ground. This wasn't surface moisture but rather at about 2 inches and deeper. The ID's read right in the small gold range {+1,+2} and sounded pretty clean, although they weren't quite a sharp as the real thing. However, for me anyway, close enough to not ignore. Pictured below is my 'haul'. I actually found one more piece but lost it somehow in the process of putting it into the collection bottle. One more lesson learned. Bottom line is that I quadrupled my lifetime count but still haven't made it to my first gram. All read +1 TID and all were within 2 inches of the surface. One was in the grass, lying on the surface of the ground. I'm certainly appreciative of the lead I got to this location. Wish I didn't live 2400 miles away from it.

Tracking ground balance by it's nature responds relatively slowly to changes in ground phase (otherwise it would trigger on ferrous targets and/or cause enough variations in the balance setting that it would also contribute to ground noise). Typically tracking ground balance works best when there are large variations in mineralization which is also the greatest (but not only) contributor to ground phase reading. Most GB tracking schemes do not work well when the variations in mineralization are small and the change in ground phase reading is due to other constituents in the soil. Without a mineralization change there is nothing to trigger the ground phase reading by the tracking "circuit". That is why Tracking should not be used in low mineralized soil with high variations in ground phase or at sites with a high density of discrete ferrous targets. Equinox does a great job of compensating for a less than ideal ground phase as the multifrequency scheme allows some compensation/cancellation of ground effects, but that can only get you so far if your ground phase is changing significantly. The way that manifests itself is by audibly detecting ground noise (with discrimination off). If you are hearing a lot of ground noise with a fixed ground phase reference (established by manual or auto pumping GB) or even in tracking. Then you should probably do an auto or manual GB. Otherwise, don't get too caught up in the ground phase numbers. Note also, that the different multi frequency spectra used for each of the different search profile modes will often result in different ground readings for the same patch of ground which is why you should ground balance each mode you use separately. If you are switching modes, and notice a SIGNIFICANT change in your original GB number while in tracking make sure of two things: First, make sure you are indeed in tracking GB and have not just done a single point auto GB and second, make sure that each mode you are using has been GB initially to set a good starting point for the tracking algorithm. What mode(s) were you using, BTW?

Andy never came back to report his book is now available for purchase! $19.95 on eBay with free shipping $24.95 on Amazon with free shipping If you have never read one of Andy's books.... they are truly superb. Extremely professional with high quality graphics and solid information.

Sweet! Yeah, been a cool, wet spring and still at it, warmer weather seems late this year. I always enjoy hunting the tiny bits simply because even the most thrashed patches will put a few in the vial with diligent hunting. There are hot rocks in Nevada and California that come in around 13, quite annoying. They drop out if you lower the gain enough or they can be notched out and gain left high. Either method has minor risks for lost gold. The right single frequency very often will knock them out also. There often are no clear answers, just judgement calls as what setting may be best. It is what makes nugget detecting such an interesting thing for me, and Equinox in particular such fun. I like having settings to play with, and that is the main reason I like the Equinox for hunting gold compared to the Gold Monster. Anyway, your nugget collection is growing - congratulations!

We started our journey on Sunday from PHX to SFO. First leg was no problem. At SFO things deteriorated. After arrival the airline departure board showed 1 Sydney departure logically in the international terminal 2 hrs hence. We made our way to the international terminal and settled in for a wait. I checked the departure board several times, only one Sydney departure showing a minor delay. At boarding time our boarding passes were rejected, wrong flight. They really couldn't help us with why there was only one Sydney flight and we weren't on it. We scurried back up to the main terminal, one Sydney flight now boarding, but upon closer examination a different flight number. There was no help desk to be seen so in desperation I Googled our flight number. Google said terminal A, and we were in terminal G. Again checked the departure board, one Sydney flight showing, not ours. We discovered that terminal A was a long way from here, after a mad dash we discovered that not only was terminal A way over there, it required leaving the secured terminal and going through security again. Yep, the security queue was clogged with the unwashed masses and the chances of us making the flight dwindled to nil. Oh no. So we went to look for the Qantas desk to try and fix our problem. No luck, Qantas has windows open from 6:00pm to 10:00pm. So I called Qantas and got an English as a Second Language(ESL) clerk, barely intelligible given airport noise and accent. Basically she told me I was F'd and that our entire ticket would be cancelled, no refund. I knew better than to argue at this point and called our booking agent Orbitz. Again, ESL but a sincere effort to help. After some long hold time we discovered that Qantas was closed for the night, but that they would work on it. I booked a $300.00 hotel room for the night and went out to catch the shuttle. The hotel clerk assured me the shuttle would pick us up at 12:52. At 1:25 I surrendered, the hotel said they would reimburse me for a cab. Next day, Orbitz came through and re-booked our flight for the same time, same terminal A. I asked about our baggage, "can't help you there", take it up with the Qantas counter at 6:00pm. First in line at Qantas 6:00pm they told me that our baggage was downstairs and would be re-tagged and put on the flight. Are you sure? Indeed, when you get to the gate you can check with them. Of course the gate assured us that naturally our baggage was on the flight. NOT. Well we caught the flight and I found that economy seats are, well economical. I had a middle seat for a 15 hr flight. My row mates were tolerable, but the aisle seat went to sleep and I hated to be an ugly American and wake him up just to stretch my legs. At about the 10 hr mark, I couldn't resist and woke him up. He was pleasant enough about the whole thing. Curiously, the young lady next me boarded very last and arrived in sweaty dither. She later told me that the Departure board showed only one Sydney flight, the same one I encountered the day before, and that she discovered the mistake in time to sprint through the terminal and security was very kind to move her to the head of the line, just in time to make final boarding. She was much younger, fitter and prettier than me, so she pulled it off in time. We arrived Sydney and went to claim our baggage to clear customs for our continuation flight to Perth. Surprise, no baggage. We went to the claims desk to make all the necessary notifications and almost missed our connection to Perth sans baggage. To make a long story tolerable, we're in Perth with 3 of 4 bags. 3 arrived at the hotel last night, the 4th won't arrived until after we make our flight to Meekatharra. Qantas assures us the 4th bag will get couriered out to us verily. Naturally, that bag has Dennis's detector in it. I guess he can dig targets for me and Paul in the meantime. So, the journey begins... Stay tuned for our misadventures in the Summer of OZ. I'm typing at 5:00 am local, suffering from jet lag. Hopefully Steve will edit as necessary.

Mop, It was nice meeting you. Thanks for taking us to your spot! We could have cleaned it out but you are the man. The three of us tried but no joy today. I thought I had one and you thought I had one but after giving it a scrape and getting into the quartz it was out. #%&@^ bb again I'll go back and give it another shot. I think there is still gold there too and it is a 'distance' from town. Mitchel

Interesting read, and thanks for taking the time to post your reflections. All the best, Lanny

Sorry for not getting back . . . life tends to get in the way of the best laid plans at times. We just got them in from the printer last Friday and we were out of town for a few days so we have been playing catch up trying to get books shipped out to those that per-ordered them. Appreciate the input provided . . . . feedback has been positive so far. Steve. . . can you shoot me an E-mail at asabisch@att.net . . have been looking for your contact information and wanted to get a copy out to you.

Was an honor being asked to contribute a few tidbits on this one, can't wait to see how it turned out. Mine is on the way and I will have a chance to provide first hand feedback to Andy in Gettysburg next month assisting in one of his XP/Minelab bootcamp sessions. Perhaps he will add Equinox to the bootcamp repertoire in the future now that the book is on the street. If anyone wants me to pass on a message or feedback to Andy personally regarding the book, just PM me. Otherwise, post your comments here and I will make sure Andy comes back for a visit and perhaps some interactive discussion.

I agree with my friend Strick! I have been going to the north Nevada desert country since the early 90's, before the big Minelabs, only the vlf's were available at the time. The evolution of the Minelab brand quality has evolved as well. Some of the early searchcoils had to be mended/held together with cloth backed tape... The lithium ion batteries were a blessing, expensive, yes, but lighter than the lead acid batteries of yore. When I got skunked with my first heavy Minelab, bummed as anyone who has left empty handed from the place will know, my only respite and remedy was to get out my old trusty Gold Bug 2, which, had only 5 numbers in it's serial number, to give me tell tale whispers of hidden bits of gold. Now, the Gold Bug 2 serial numbers are in the multi-millions... I believe the old Fisher girl has again been sold by the lucky chap who acquired her from me in a trade...what a sad parting that was for me... Please excuse me while I wipe the tears from my misty eyes. ~LARGO~

I think the x terra 705 is the pick of deals at the moment , one very versatile machine and a very good price, there’s life in the old girl yet.

Outstanding....bringing any gold home is a successful trip but spending time out in that desert and soaking it all in with friends is the real treasure... Strick

Wow you did great with the Nox considering the ground conditions...congrats!

Any connector in between the PCB and coil would create resistance. Without the connector it's like running straight pipes on a hot rod - you get a little more grunt.

WTG! Yep, that Rye Patch dirt is a tuff gig when damp. Glad you powered thru it and found a few nuggets. October, is a good month historically for great soil conditions. But, this year who knows, lol. LuckyLundy

Hi Goldpick, ran your buckle past a group of experts that hunt the California goldfields and hunt primarily for tongue and wreath buckles. No one is familiar with this one, but the concensus is that it is not American, but most likely Mexican, notice what appears to be cactus below the eagle. In addition, this style of buckle, as do most tongue and wreath buckles, pre-date the American Civil War, and in our goldfields in California are most commonly associated with pre 1860 sites. Perhaps that buckle has some association with the late 1840s Mexican-American War. If I learn more, I'll let you know.

I swing an Equinox 800 and it has served me well for a year now. A scoop with a long Handle is best so you don’t bend down too often. I bought a no name brand off eBay for $100 and it’s still going strong after 2+ years, even digging in rocky beaches. Best time to hunt is during storms and low tides. Also hunting during summer for fresh drops at touristy beaches is good. Good luck and HH

Yeah BB, You've got some pull. Qantas got your memo and gave $120.00 each for our troubles. Thanks for the help.

Gotta love that dog. Look how he has his head just slightly on one side as he takes in what you are saying to him. He's a beauty.

Hi guys, a fellow forum member here in Australia detected what I presume is an eagle buckle a few days ago (guessing US in origin). Any help in identifying it would be appreciated. As a side note, we have had a few US Civil War buckles found this year in Oz, most would probably have originated from US prospectors trying their luck our goldfields.

I have the 800 and will be taking it to Australia next year . A mate will be taking me to a rally or dig so hopefully i will get a nugglet or two. I will take the small coil too.

Ahh damn, I was sure you would get onto some. Good luck tomorrow, unfortunately I have commitments so all the nuggets are yours. Hope the Blues get over the line, Port were crap today.

Great to meet you today Mop. It is always dicey meeting ‘some rando’ off a forum but so far the people I have met have been helpful, cheerful and friendly. And you were no exception ? Muchly appreciate you taking us to your spot. Respectfully we left all the gold there for you ? We are heading out west of the airport in the morning tomorrow if you wanted to join us again. Sunday is gold day!!!!

Thanks for the research and replies, I appreciate it. Will link the topic to the buckle owner.?

For a all round general purpose use detector,very light and possibly one of the easiest machines for setting up my vote would be the T2,had mine since 2006/7 and found me the most gold coins for sure.From the time of starting the machine up and then detecting is just seconds its that easy in terms of setting up.

I was giving rough prices that we pay too.

Luckily those took me a couple of seasons to dig up. The gray patina on silver is ugly compared to land hunts, but finding them is mostly for the challenge of it. Beaches are hit a lot these days, so the silver count is way lower. You have to work for them. The Indian Head may be from those detecting club planted hunts. They get together and have a hundred+ detectorists all seeding the beach so they can re-find the items. I tried doing some of those hunts but I always wandered off to do the natural hunts

Time to look for a nugget.

Hi Jspirko…that's a real nice specimen you've got there. Now I’m going to step out on a limb a bit and say that your sample looks to me to be a fine example of a granitic-textured, plutonic igneous rock called diorite. You may wish to read up about it and see if your rock does match as nicely as it appears in your photo. We come across diorite in northeastern Ontario. Its grain size is typical of other similar type rocks such as gabbro, granite and syenite. I tend to describe rocks as pegmatitic if the grain size generally exceeds about five millimeters. Diorite can vary somewhat in appearance, but as a course-grained intermediate intrusive (that is to say classified between felsic granite and mafic gabbro), it tends to be generally darker than granite. Diorite is typically comprised in an approximate ratio of two-thirds white, sodium-dominant plagioclase feldspar (oligoclase / andesine triclinics) to a third of amphibole such as a hornblende, or quite possibly as a biotite mica. Hence your sample has an attractive two-toned appearance similar to the example depicted below. Little or no quartz is present in diorite, otherwise we would refer to it as either a granodiorite or simply as granite just depending on how much quartz and alkali feldspar is present. As noted on the photo, you can see that my specimen possesses no ferromagnetic strength, but does ground balance to the same elevated non-conductive range as magnetite bearing rocks and other black minerals that we encounter in the field. At GB45 the rock generates a strong negative threshold signal, again similar to mafics that are comprised of heavier materials such as magnesium and iron…………..Jim.

I live in the bay area and have been hunting a few spots lately near busy roads and power lines...last couple weeks i've been hunting in a strip of dirt that has regular telephone pole power lines right over me ....a chain link fence 3 feet away and then 20 feet away on the other side of the fence High voltage power lines. Like Mark does I do the noise cancel with coil on the ground and then reduce the sensitivity. I've been able to run it at 18 no problem...I've learned to put up with chatter if I want to hunt these small areas...another thing I figure is that most detectorists will shy away from hard to hunt areas and I'll find stuff here.

Yeh, it's kinda surprising Minelab made the screen protector with its button hints cover the detector logo. Once you've had enough experience stepping through the menu (and recognizing the menu item pictograms) you can replace the screen protector with one that doesn't have the menu labels. I did just that, actually using laptop/tablet screen protector which has a more diffuse finish and thus less reflection than the supplied ones. Still nice of them to include those, though.

Yeah you had me puzzled there for a ps, I thought one Tangles on Earth at a time was its absolute maximum limit. Probably pay to keep Trent well lubricated, BBs offer may sway him on a hot thirsty day. Now the intros done, trust you fellows have a top time with heavy pockets above all remember your soaking in it.

Nice hunting - especially with a Nox. That is no picnic up there and you have done well. I fully sympathize with the distances that have to be covered to get to good areas.

Your bar tab is more than that already.....

If they keep having this type luck you will save ammo...lolol

ya, I had a new bulkhead cell and clips put in and it leaked right away (mismatched clips?) right up into the control pod and would not boot but ML did me a very nice turn and gave me some seconds clips snap very nicely now looks pretty good. hope they do in fact have their act together with this one--great machine these minor things gave it a bad name amongst many and almost me too.. clc

Beach 2... might work as well with it’s salt setting and reduced power.

It was a really great time Dick. In every regard the trip and hunt was really enjoyable. Glad you like the story. I write them as much for me as anyone else these days. My memory for long past events is poor enough many of the details would go lost unless I record them. I highly recommend anyone into adventures of any sort keep a journal and take lots of pictures. It’s far too easy to get into the game and not take time for that sort of stuff, but ultimately the memories or records are all we have.

I have hunted many sites that exhibit harsh EMI on the Equinox. At these sites, if after performing a noise cancel in the conventional way and not seeing good results, I'll lay the coil flat on a clean ground area and do a noise cancel. If at that point the machine doesn't quieten down to my satisfaction I'll listen to each channel and pick the one with the least "noticeable" EMI. Now, If I'm still not happy I'll reduce the sensitivity a couple numbers at a time. Final note, in most cases, as long as the coil is in motion the machine will run quiet but when I stop to dig a target the EMI will ramp up. I know this is not a documented noise cancel procedure, but it works. Give it a try. Don't get frustrated and give up.

Hey Guys, I have known Jim since the early 90's, no doubt one of my mentors when it comes to Geology and Gold Prospecting. Without Jim and I writing letters back in forth from California to Arizona, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. Jim was a huge help when I was studying Economic Geology when I was in College along with his books were a wealth of knowledge when I was searching for gold. Jim Straight is truly an Icon in this hobby of gold prospecting. His book, "Nugget Shooter's" Bible was in my opinion one of the best written book and top sellers of all times. I sold thousands of those books, up to the 8th edition which is now really sought after. We still sell the "Advanced Prospecting and Detecting for Gold" and "3 Hours to Gold," both great books. I even have a bunch of his older books, but I'm not sure if I'm going to part with them at this time. God Bless you Jim, you memories will live forever.

Its a superb find and it makes no odds if it was found by a dog,metal detector or eyes only find and really pleased for the finder/s,but i am wondering and this is just my personal opinion if this is a slight PR marketing ploy trying to get more folks into the area buying detecting equipment and supplies making a mini gold rush because of a few high profile nugget finds......probable wrong but gold fever can grip folks and get them too part with money into the local economy ?

I think the water ingress problem for sea users was very high. I returned mine multiple times due to this. Several others I know had same problem. Thankfully the problem was solved with the newer grey seal and the battery rubber strip to close the gap between the bulkhead and battery. This stopped the sand getting to the seal.

When I first got into nuggetshooting, I learned a great deal from Jim’s publications. And a few years later I was fortunate enough to hunt with him in the northern Nevada goldfields. And then several years ago I ran into him in Randsburg, where he graciously took me on a geologic tour of the area. I will always remember his sense of humor and passion for prospecting. Rest in peace my friend.

Jim was a mentor either personally or with his writings to a huge number of gold hunters. 'Follow the Drywashers' is an enduring classic for anyone interested in metal detecting and prospecting. Thank you Jim, God speed, you will be missed.

aygore, I've been using my 800 for a little over a year now and have spent most of my time hunting some hard hit OLD parks, some private yards and a few ghost towns / mining towns for good measure. For the parks and yards, I mostly hunt with the 11" coil, for the Ghost towns I use the 6" coil. I've spent most of my time experimenting with Park 1 & 2, Field 1 & 2. For the type of hunting I do in the Parks, I've settled on Park 1 using 5 tones. I don't care for the Field modes in the areas I typically hunt. I still roll from Park 1 to Park 2 , Field 1 and Field 2 and check signals and keep coming back to Park 1 & Park 2 for my hunting, with my minor adjustments. My minor adjustments for Park 1? I have my iron bias at 2 and my recovery at 6. If I go lower with the iron bias, I start digging A LOT more rusty iron nails. When set at 2, I dig rusty, deep, bent nails occasionally. I could set Iron Bias higher, and put some distance between me and the rusty nails, BUT it impacts my ability to unmask targets close to the rusty nails. My other adjustment is setting the Recovery at 6, which still gives me impressive depth AND separates close targets better than lower settings. If the trash level is LOW, I can adjust this lower. However, a lower setting also lengthens the audio response and I don't care for the target response with really LOW settings. It does buy me some extra depth but it reminds me of the LONG audio response setting on the old Explorers and Etracs. AND, one of the big selling points of the Equinox 600/800 is the ability to separate and unmask good targets from bad. When I'm hunting areas already hunted by decades of other detectorists, why would I want to essentially turn this off by turning the recovery level WAAAY down? Again, I typically start with these settings and can tweak a little this way or that IF the area I'm hunting allows. For hunting Private yards, since I will be recovering MOST conductive targets, I will typically use Park 2 with the 50 tones (factory setting). Again, I stick with the iron bias of 2 and recovery of 6. Again, I can adjust if needed. Another thing I am doing while hunting is using the 'U' horseshoe all-metal button so that I can hear the iron audio. I have the Iron volume set very low. This gives me much more information as to what I'm sweeping the coil over and helps me when deciding if I'm getting an iron false or a possible co-located good target hiding adjacent to iron. I am a fan of 'iron audio'. Also, I leave my ground balance on 0. Hope that gives you some additional information to ponder over as you're getting to know your 800. I've been detecting for a rather long time and am impressed by my 800 and its' ability to find tough targets where others have been many times before. It isn't a magic wand, but it is a very good tool. Be smart. Learn how to use it and be patient. Start experimenting with your settings when you find a possible target and see how the changes impact the audio and visual ID's and remember the audio ID trumps. Good luck - Rich (Utah)