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This was something I worked on at White's, here is a patent I filed on a more practical version of the technology: https://patents.google.com/patent/US9285496B1 I had it fully built and working with manual ground balance. It was deeper & quieter than a TDI. I was working on autotrack and discrimination and had both crudely functioning, and that's when I left White's. I saw no big technical hurdles left to overcome. Over the years I stayed in touch with people at White's but no one (to my knowledge) ever tried to pick up where I left off. Don't know why. I'd love to finish it but I don't own the patent.

Well kinda (but that's another story) 1 clad dime and 3 memorial pennies , a fishing sinker , an unfired 22 pellet rifle round . 2 1/2 pull tabs and a bunch of tinfoil balls one of which looked like it was turning back to aluminum ore! ( or maybe it was just BBQ sauce ?) and a few odd pieces of iron I haven't washed off yet????? About 3 hours in park1 sens 22 , f2=0 disc = off., the 6" coil on the fully updated 800 Swinging in an old campground (it was root city) I watched being built 60 years ago when I was a little kid 200 yards across the cove through mom's binoculars cuz I was too young to row that far ......somewhere in the wilderness that is the southern Maine coast..I was surrounded by old growth white pine that were protected by the King of England for ship's masts for exclusive use of the Royal Navy....My fave site 30' straight up a cliff from the water ,,,and only covered 1/10th of it. , (It's overlooking "my rock" , where I've been fishing for striped bass since I was 2. It was low tide 2 clam diggahs on the flats , one arrived by boat.........) It was sunny On shore S. <5kts 62* No pics.. I am unworthy. UH AYUH yup yup

After following EQ's progression I decided to buy the 800 hoping for a "simpler" detector than the GPX5000 which I sold. Part of that decision was based on one of Gerry's posts along the lines of "I've found more with a sub $1000 machine than all the more expensive ones ". My 1st time out proved to substantiate the claims made that the EQ will find small gold and larger as I found what I classify when dry washing as a -20 and found a 4.29 gram nugget! This while not fully understanding how to operate the detector! Using the "quick start' and owners full manual I was able to succeed. I hope there are some comprehensive videos out now that I can access?

Went early today to the larger beach. Another beautiful day, even the water was tolerable. Low tide is strange here, you go from having about 50 feet of beach to over 200. It's difficult to read but thanks to advice I've been getting from y'all I did great, at least for me and the 4 hours I was out. I searched along the tidal pools for a while, walked about a mile. Didn't find much of anything, not even an iron grunt until I found a couple of coins and this metal anvil. I assume it's for making jewelry. Shown with the ring I dug yesterday for size: Ran into a guy swinging an Equinox like a golf club, thought of getting a video, it was comical. Exchanged pleasantries and moved on. Only detector I saw all morning. Did a little more beach reading, some advice I got was to go knee to waist deep in the water, but the tide was so far out from where it normally is it didn't seem worth it, so instead coming back I aligned myself at knee to waist level to high tide. Here is a photo taken from where low tide was: Here is a shot showing the slope and where I found the coin line: The umbrella is at high tide. Hit the coin line! Did pretty good for a novice in only about 1/2 mile: 1970 Mexican Cinquenta Centavos piece, (fitty cent), 4 relatively new clad quarters, Jeff nickel, dime, and a memorial. Most money I found so far. Copper bracelet and a Stainless spinner ring. Best find of the day and hence the title: Little gold wave ring. ID'd at 1. Not sure if it's solid gold but it's certainly 24k plated, really waxy feel. No marks. My wife loves it. Found it leaving at the entrance. She took the spinner too. 😀 Here's my take on that - People get to the beach and are so glad to be here they run and drop all their stuff. I found the bracelet and both rings near the beach entrance along with the Mexican coin and the Jefferson. By then there were so many people in the beach it was time to go. Tomorrow I'm hitting the areas early where everyone sets up . 😈

I did get an e-mail from Fisher even though I declined an offer to buy one through Rick a while back. I actually felt a little bad that I changed my mind because I was so anxious to get one at first. However, I think it was a good decision for me based on the reviews of many here. I'm sure that I could have put in the time and effort to make the machine do what I needed it to do but I would rather wait for a more user friendly, reliable version. The e-mail doesn't bother me a bit. To me it means that First Texas knows or will know that interest in the AQ is waning. Perhaps this will result in a more favorable price on the next model. And thank you Rick for all the work that you have put into this roll-out.

That would be crazy.... and that would be in line with why White’s is no more. Thanks for the tidbits Carl. Hopefully Garrett has a better idea of what to do with White’s tech than White’s themselves did. Carl may remember a conversation he and I had years ago. Carl and company were instrumental in bringing the V3i to market. I made a pitch to Carl that while V3i was revolutionary, it missed the mark in one way. My thought was V3i, but stripped into the lightest detector possible, with only the controls actually required for day to day operation. The absolute fact is Whites had an Equinox type design way before Minelab, but stood pat on big box instead of going to the next very obvious step of miniaturizing it. Obvious to me at least, and others listened when White’s did not. And it took Nokta/Makro to make my high frequency MXT. At least the waterproof TDI finally made it Carl, but too little, too late. They were so close though it seems to pulling off a turnaround. The 24K and TDI Beachhunter were both moves in the right direction, and 24K, the last real machine from Whites, is best of class. Maybe without the pandemic, but that was the final blow. It’s too bad, because Whites really was advancing the tech in serious ways more than the other U.S. manufacturers. V3i is a box full of stunning first ideas, none of which reached full fruition at White’s. Seems to be the way of American manufacturers with second generation owners though. Something gets lost in translation from founder, to next in line.

Moving Boulders to find Placer Gold Moving Boulders to reach Bedrock Crevices to locate those Placer Gold Nuggets that are hiding just out of sight. Jeff and Gary ( Two Toes ) use a Come-along and a Breaker bar to move the boulders then check the bedrock crevices with a Minelab SDC 2300 Metal Detector. A Come-Along is a hand operated winch used to pull objects in this case Boulders !! SG 036

I think the 10x5 is going to be worth the wait, so hang in there relicmeister. Hopefully, I'll have a few hundred swings with it under my belt come this time next week and I can report on it.

Nobody asked me any questions about the list. I was given no information regarding how they planned to use it to market the remaining AQ LTD production. The spreadsheet was clearly divided into prospective customers (thank you all) - “withdrawn” prospective customers - and customers who had purchased a unit. .............

People have been swinging hybrids since Minelab combined frequency domain with time domain processing to create BBS multifrequency. Then FBS, now Multi-IQ. And Tarsacci MDT, another machine combining time domain and frequency domain processing. To a certain degree it’s all semantics and definitions more than reality. Marketing muddles things further, and more these days I just pay attention to what they do, and not which squirrel is running the treadmill inside. Whites had working prototypes of this tech, but like most things it gets to this point where “if we can fix this one little but significant problem” but when you fix that, it breaks this, and engineer whack a mole ensues. That’s probably where this is at, as they never could get it to market. Hopefully Garrett can make something of it, as it’s one of whites Crown Jewels they were holding. There is no doubt in my mind that the future belongs to sophisticated mixed processing machines, with single frequency now the realm of the rebox and relabel crowd.

FINALLY got out on first hunt of the season! Snow capped mountains, plenty of sun, and the temps were cool enough the bugs weren't out yet. The take isn't much (.980g) but FUN, FUN, FUN!!!!!!

Something tells me Garrett is aware.

Here's my view... I have an AQ also. It has been in for repair and returned to me. I received the email from FT offering me another. At first I thought it was some kind of spam. Then I figured maybe that was FT's way of notifying me that another AQ, or battery, or 8 inch coil was now available. I thought nothing more of it and didn't respond back to them. As long as they don't notify me about my car warranty, I'm not bothered at all.

I’ll look forward to your comments very much, Chase

At least you are coming home with likely gold. Nothing to sneeze at. Sounds like you had a fun trip and learned a lot about beach hunting. Same tool, completely different experience as you found out. Congrats, Bob.

Only got one more day here, really didn't find anything else today, just $1 in change, all clad. Nothing really interesting so no post tonight! 😀 Thanks for all your help and encouragement.

Rick - my response to you was merely to point out to you that Fisher is phoning it in and not even bothering to make good use of the well documented list you provided them. Now they are simply spamming everyone on the list regardless of status, which, if you had a not so great experience, like Mitchel, might tend to tick some people off. Rather than shrugging it off with an "it's in their hands now" response, as a dealer, you might want to pass along to them that their lack of subtlety and thoughtfulness in utilizing the list is making it look like you basically provided them prospective buyer contact information at a price which could inadvertently blow back on you because they are being so hamfisted in the way they are using the info and that can damage future business for both you and Fisher. It's a simple, minor annoyance for me because I never got to the point of putting any skin in the game. But you might want to make a mental note of those you know whose experiences with the AQ were not all that great and whether it makes sense for Fisher to be blindly pitching an AQ sale to those folks because you turned over the contact info for a fee. Your call...as to whether you should make that call to your former business partners. Might save you some future grief.

Not all jewelry is marked. There are a lot of small makers that don't use or have a makers mark. If it looks solid you may want to get an acid test kit. Have a feeling your going to be snaggin many more rings 🙂

Bravo on the hunt, and making the wife happy!! First time I've seen a beach anvil! The little ring might be rolled gold! Keep up the good "work"!!👌👍👍

Today's hunt was in an old field inland about 5 miles . Short session. Did a grid on a section with lots of moss under a tree. Swept it with the 15x12 ,marked targets and switched to 6" to pinpoint. (9v dead in the 35) Would have switched to the small one anyway , still aching from yesterday....... Half a rivet , an old nail and a 3" piece of barbed wire.

Location, location, location! and the date is very important breeding pairs can only be found on April 1st! Norm

well ! Looks like the craze about this detector has died down. finally when we see the ratio of problem compared to the small number on the market, fortunately they did not send it to europe because by adding the additional delays of the trip of the broken machine, it would have suffered a lot of complaints and bad advertisements.

Joe, I was mystified when I dug that up. No idea why anyone would chuck an anvil in the ocean. Truly strange find. 🤪 Ring could indeed be rolled gold. Not going to try acid on it, my wife won't let me, but maybe specific gravity when I get home. It looks like it was made today. Not a scratch.

If the above comments are accurate, It is a situation in which I am not pleased at the way Fisher has utilized the marketing information I sent them. I sent the President of FTP a strong email protesting their pestering “declined” customers with emails etc. Imagine my embarrassment when I found the cause of the mess.... I just figured out what the hell happened. MY BAD. I kept a neat list, all you prospective and committed customers, plus a list of those who had been on the list and declined later, plus all the buyers All neat on my iPad in “Numbers” the iOS spreadsheet. I just looked at what Fisher actually got. My spreadsheet converted to an incomprehensible list of Excel spreadsheets with all the data scrambled. MY apologies to anyone who has been inconvenienced. I will also have to apologize to the President of First Texas who I just sent a stiff email to!!!!! I do wish however that they had sent me an explanation of what they intended to do going forward.

I too got the mail but it did not bother me in the least. The limited the way I see it was just that. A limited addition put in the hands of those who wanted it, so they could gain insight from the actual people who use such a machine and to put the information to use in the unlimited version. It seems that is what they have done. Weighed all the responses and changed the things that we in the field suggested. So I don’t think calling it a semi-finished design is the correct description. That’s just my way of looking at it. I am sorry to hear that some had some bad experiences with the AQ and Fisher. It’s sad but it happens with all products and as far as Fishers response to my issues I could not have been treated any better. I do hope in the end everyone is satisfied and I wish you all good luck in the coming season. ”Carolina”

Usually plated metals deteriate fast in the salt and you should see bubbles in the plating. Take a loupe and look it over for any scratches or scuffs and see if there are bubbles, chips etc and see if there is another metal below. Low number wouldn't be that unusual for a high karat like 18 where more common 14 or 10 have higher tid's Congrats either way.

I went today with my "new" Apex for a short outing to a third test location to double check that the "false signals " issue has been solved by the new Viper coil sent by the Garrett support . It is an iron infested path in a wood where I have tested the Vanquish 540 a year ago. - First the Apex/Viper is very stable , no more false signals .🙂 - Second I have been very impressed by the Apex , it is almost silent on the iron trash, with sharp beeps on good signals . I confirm that the Apex iron filtering is excellent and better than the MLs Vanquish and Equinox in iron trashed areas. 🙂 It is the third outing with the Viper new coil without any pb , then I consider that this "false signal" issue is now solved. I will continue to test the Apex but will post my reports in a new thread ...

Even our resident "Pirate" chimes in to help! 🗡😂👍👍

Welcome aboard Matey ! Ya already made the find of what yuz be lookin' fer,,,,this forum is the mother lode. And I 'ave no doubt ya'll fit in here jus finest kind ! You bin doin' very well with that little "ol Bounty Hunter so farrrrrr ...and ya seem ta 'ave some most excellent areas ta be swingin' 'er ovaaaar ! I'd say keep using th' weapon ya already 'ave fer a while longarrr and hangin' out here fer a few more weeks will probably get ya to which new rig might be suitin' yer needs best. Lots of 'em be equipped with those tones of which ye spoke. Ask any questions ya have as ya go along and the crew will have ya on a true course to the treasarrrrrrrrrr in no time arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !

GPZ with 14, I do use a bungy. I can detect without one, but I can feel things after a while GPZ with 12" NF coil, I haven't used a bungy yet, but haven't done longer than a 3hr stint GPX4500/5000 with 12" Evo or smaller - no bungy. I will use one with 15" coils or bigger 6000 with 11" Coil - no bungy. Balance is indeed excellent.

Found this patent that Whites filed and got a patent on in 2014 on a hybrid IB/PI machine. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110316541A1/en Curious if anyone heard anything about this. Maybe Garrett will take it on?

The anvil can be handy. Gave a small one like that to a long time family friend who is a silver smith. Worth cleaning them up.

Thanks! I missed that! ”Adventures with Jim” YouTube tutorial Tuesday just suggested FE 0 not same as FE2 0. With the brief testing I’ve done, I’m thinking a lot of guys are missing targets using higher settings. Not due to the response of the target itself - due to nature of sand/soil and or nearby iron targets.

Kids will be kids!

Sounds good there mr popeye,that is sum bootiful country,gramps was from Bangor area and ive invaded by sea a time or 2. Ive seen a few utubes of fella goes by Aquachigger where he,s visitin a downeaster Capn Billy an they make some really cool finds as well as bein very comical an entertaining. I know from experience yall have real tidal differences there that could open up wonderful treasures👍👍

Grandfather used to use a small one as an anchor for one of his boats. It worked out great and he never lost a boat with it.

Thanks! I do have a loupe, and I looked it over completely for marks or anything. Isn't all true gold stamped somewhere? There is nothing noticeable but nice shiny waxy gold.

So kinda like a cross between an old sheep and an american ground hog!!! I'm in, so somebody better start the fire. Oh and bring plenty of paper towels and beverages of choice.

Welcome Passin Thru, Here's my 2c... 😀 Seriously, seems to me if you want to upgrade to more tones cheap, and maybe join in some water hunting, the Nokta Makro Simplex+ will give you 99 tones if you want. I was going to get one to replace my non-ground balancing Garrett Ace 400. It's around $250. However, the local dealer pointed me at the Minelab Equinox 600, and told me I would never regret it. I haven't other than it's not an 800. 🙄 It's about $650. I've used a Simplex and liked it but love the symphony the Equinox plays. If you're technically and musically inclined and have no problem with Bluetooth, the Equinox is it. I've been stomping farmland for 7 months now, and the beach for 6 days. It's a heckuva hobby. Since I'm retired and can get out almost every day I think people are getting bored with me, but this forum is the place for advice and tips. There is no free ride, no magic settings or machine, but the folks here are top notch. You're doing great with the Bounty Hunter, learning a new machine can be trifling but the "modes" each one has will get you off and running. Come back with photos and for fine tuning! Meantime have some trash. We all dig it. 🤪

From the manual. - "Iron Bias is only available when the operating frequency is Multi."

Hello all! OK first off, as Steve said, we have already produced our first PI machine with the PulseDive. We are working on other PI machines - for gold prospecting and beach/underwater hunting. These will NOT be released this year though. Please understand that engineering, development and manufacturing is not as easy as it sounds (I have learned that myself after joining this company which has changed my whole view as a consumer). In addition, our priority of projects/products change based on market demand as we are a very consumer focused company. Btw, our other business HAS NO affect on our projects and/or timelines for our detector business. Detectors is our core business and will stay like that. Quall (our other company) has their own engineering team and they are not even sharing the same building with us. Hope this helps.... love you all!

So here's an interesting thing I found in addition to pulling out the battery contacts inside the batt compartment, which is only 8 torx screws to remove,just be careful removing it since the buttons for release are near the sidewalls. So I pulled my battery pack out and noticed the batteries weren't snug,the first and last sets were both very loose causing batteries to not make contact thereby cutting off power to the unit. So I'm pretty sure that was the issue, you may want to check your battery pack as well and check for loose batteries.thankfully I had 2 extra packs and all of a snug, that as well as pulling the springs inside to make more contact with battery pack should do the trick!👍

Like some of the others have noted, your rock (which is actually a mineral) is from the cryptocrystalline Quartz family. It has banding of different colors which is a characteristic of chalcedony, agate, jasper, flint, chert, and several other types of quartz. Sliced and polished, it would make a very attractive specimen. I know there are some locations in Florida that have produced chalcedony. Those specimens did not look like yours. Your specimen would be a fairly common find in many places in the US, especially in the western USA.

To quote Todd Hoffman's father Jack, "No Guts, No Glory!"

Hi Carol, welcome! That is a very nice specimen. Steve may move this post to the Mineral and Gem forum as it was accidentally misplaced in the wrong forum here, but I wanted to help out anyways. For future mineral id info- post rocks and minerals here:https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/forum/51-rocks-minerals-gems-geology/ Anyways, my guess is a type of hematite (iron oxide crystal) known as specularite. There are better photos that better match it on the internet (google specularite or look here: https://www.bluegems.com.au/shop/minerals-jewellery-gems/a-hematite-and-quartz/), but minedat has good physical info about it. https://www.mindat.org/min-5574.html Glad you like rocks and minerals too! 😀

Not a matter of not having more controls but the right controls. A turnoff for me is having a machine everyone else has that is so automatic that just leaves the chance of finding something just a matter of walking where they didn't. Removing the skill factor takes a lot away from the hobby for me.

Not to be argumentative, but that "ridiculous hockey puck" has found me plenty of gold nuggets that the 11" coil or my other detectors simply would have missed due to iron mineralization and hot rock masking. Do I use it for anything else besides gold prospecting........up until now it is my favorite coil for shallow saltwater surf hunting since it creates almost no drag and is sensitive enough to hit targets that need to be found quickly. Anything deeper in the shallow surf would need a different kind of detector. It has also done very well for shallower coin, jewelry and relic hunting in thick aluminum and iron trash. Do I still want a Coiltek 10X5".......yep!!!! Looking forward to your test results, Chase

Yes it is for me what makes the difference for me beween the Apex and the ML mulifreqs ( Vanquish , Equinox , Etrac ... ). the Apex is almost silent in high iron trashed areas while the MLs are noisy and quite unstable there . On the other hand the MLs seem to be deeper than the Apex on big coins in low/medium iron trashed areas

Just the other day, I reached my goal of digging 100 Arizona gold nuggets with the GPZ 7000 this winter. Nothing of much size - the largest weighing in at only 5 grams - but even the tiniest bits are a thrill to find. As usual, I was targeting well known and flogged placer areas, working in and around the old dry-blow diggings. All up, 1.78 ounces troy. It will be interesting to see how much the GPX 6000 increases the number of nuggets found in this size range next season...only time will tell. Good luck out there!

I'm out there swinging that coil nearly everyday and finding nothing but crumbs. I got out late this morning in an area that was shown to me about 16 yrs ago by Rob Allison and Bill Southern. I detect that area all the time because it's nearly in my backyard here in Sunny Yuma. This morning I noticed a short gully that was kind of hidden by the rolling hills that I had overlooked all these years. Lots of drywash tailings stacked on a low bench above the gully. I didn't see any obvious dig holes and started working the bench. Not 5 minutes in, I get a decent target signal smack dab in the middle of that bench. After digging through the old tailings, I started hitting virgin hardpack caliche about a foot down. At a sensitivity of 1 on the 7000 with the 15x10 X-Coil, I could just barely pinpoint the nugget without blowing my ears off. I got out the dental pick and started breaking up the caliche so as to not damage the nugget. A good 30 minutes of work and out popped this sweet specie nugget. I'm running High Yield, Normal, Sens 12, Threshold 27. I criss-crossed that bench 4 more times without a target. As a last resort I jacked up the Sensitivity to 20 and turned down the threshold to 21. The threshold at 21 sounds like distant Morse Code blips. In these conditions I listen for the distant blips to blend with a slight hum. I chase a lot of hot rocks and seams of clay, but every now and then it pays off. So I found the small nugget about 20 ft from the bigger one and a solid 12 inches deep. Slowly working my way towards that new GPX6000.