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TomCA and I decided to test out our new fat tire ebikes integrated into some detecting earlier this week. The bikes are awesome, I can see these really being useful in the future for some of our adventures where you simply cannot drive, and may have several miles of ground to traverse before getting to your detecting objectives. So we have a Fur Trading site and a Gold Rush era encampment that aren't too far apart from each other that we were able to get to. No doubt that TomCA made the find of the day, but I was (fairly) happy with my take as well. The Gold Rush era encampment we call the Buckle Village because we're found several Gold Rush era tongue and wreath style buckles that were prevalent to the Gold Rush 49'ers flooding into the west coast to make their fame and fortune. They simply don't seem to be found at sites from different eras (I'm sure there's exceptions as always). This encampment has produced several for us, as well as a beautifully decorated powder flask, buttons, TomCA got a nice reale, I got what's considered the first trade token minted in California from 1850, a stunning 1820 United States Militia one piece button, and plenty of other period relics. At this site, Tom bested me with his prize and I'll let him have the honors of sharing that when he shares his finds. My best find from this site was an 1840s and 1850s early United States Marines two piece button backmarked "SCOVILLS & CO / [dot] WATERBURY [dot]". A few buckles, and what appears to be a knife or dagger hilt. This site has really dried up since our first few visits, but there's still finds there if you work your a$$ off 🤠 The next site has been a fun one, early California fur trading post site that digs deep into early California history. At this site you just never know what you'll find. It was my day for green copper, I dug a butt load of it, possibly more then I've ever dug there before. The larger pieces sound so good, beautiful high tones with high 20's to low 30's TID's on the EQX800, so you dig each and everyone anticipating a reale or bust coin, only to be let down with a green copper whatsit. Still fun history BUT it's getting stingy with non green copper items. This trip I managed to get a small, thin copper coin of some sort. I'm sure it's not a button or whatnot, but it's so corroded it's unlikely to ever be ID'd. I also dug a period bronze wedding ring, which while not as showy as a gold or silver ring, is still fun to me as it was likely a very personal effect that someone wore from the old world to the new world in their great adventure only to leave it behind to be found centuries later. Also got the obligatory black powder round ball drops and a few fired ones (I actually like finding those) and some later period rim-fire shells. Dug a bunch of bronze nails/spikes. I don't mind digging these, their not like square nails that litter most of our relic sites out west, these are hand forged bronze nails/spikes with old world forged rose heads. Also a couple of interesting bits they made for some special purpose use. I'm sure Tom will proudly display his buffalo and war nickles 🤣 so I'll show my wheat cents and fluke clad too 😁

I have around 30 hours with my D2 WS6 Master 9" coil, I have only hunted open fields with it up to now. However the fields are cultivated now in November then its time for woods hunting .. As I have almost never used my D2 in woods then it will be a good occasion to see how it works there . I have no real concern because fields are usually more difficult to detect than woods because they contain much more iron trash . Hundreds of bits of iron that have been spread by the farmers tractors . And I know that the D2 does the job very well in fields .. Today we decided with a cousin who has a Deus1 to go to little forest which belongs to the district . We start first with a path where I have already found several coins with other detectors , and I am curious to see if I can find new targets here .. With my trusty D2 settings : SENSITIVE , 5 tones , SQUARE .. 🙂 Actually there is a lot of iron trash in this path , but it is not a pb for the D2 and the SENSITIVE mode which filters the irons very well with very "crystal" clean and reactive signals on targets . After a few minutes I find a coin which is laying on the surface . A 5 centimes Napoleon III 1862 , a nice coin with a nice green patina , cool 🙂... I wonder how I have missed that coin with the other detectors ... Then we decide to move to an other area of the forest where there are 1st WW camps . We start with a few 1st WW bullets , casings ... Then I find an other coin , a modern and very common 5 centimes 1964 . I am a little surprised we should have found more 1st WW relics, and up to now nothing ... At this moment I have a clean high tone signal , it is a 1st WW button , 1st WW buttons are quite common , but this is a splendid "Infanterie de Marine" button , in a brand new state with a very nice brown patina 🙂... Wow what a button ... Thanks to my Quest pinpointer which has helped to find it in the ivy .. It is 5PM now , time to leave as the night is coming ... Happy to confirm that the D2 is an excellent machine for woods/forests too , and that SENSITIVE works very very well for both fields and woods , no need to change the settings .. A very nice outing btw , with beautiful Autumn colors ... We will be back ... 🙂 1) The path and my cousin with a Deus1 : 2) A first coin : 5 centimes Napoleon III 1862K 3) The 1st WW button "Infanterie de Marine" 4) The place where I found the button : 5) 2 coins and a button : 6) A better pic of the button :

Hey Brian, that was a fun hunt. You got more targets than me, d/t you got in that green-copper zone. And I like your dagger hilt and your anchor button. I realize the scads of green copper and copper spikes are probably 'ho hum' to anyone else, but you and I know that these keep-us on the edge-of-our-seats. Thinking that a wickedly old coin is just around the corner @ the next beep. But I have to admit, by the end of the hunt, I was starting to get annoyed by this otherwise "fun age-indicators". 🤪 We paid too much in, and are deserving of a period coin by now !! haha Yes, these buckles have become sort of a "goal unto themselves". They have gained a cult following in the recent decade or so here in CA. We love finding them ... so ... I'll take the title of having the "best find" of this trek. And I'll be humble about it too ! 😏 It was especially gratifying since we've dubbed this spot the "buckle village". How fitting, eh ? The item to the right of the buckle is ... I think ... some sort of gun part.

The beach always surprises and delights me. This uniquely designed silver ring hit the Equinox at a very solid 35 so I knew from the get-go it was going to be silver. I have googled "horse head, winged, serpent" trying to find out what that mythical animal is called but didn't get much at all. As far as pictures from the search, they looked more like a "winged dragon with a tail". The slanted shape and the rectangle protrusion on the back of the ring are also a bit puzzling. I think that the thick protrusion is maybe a stabilizer to keep the ring from rotating on the finger maybe? Anyway, I just thought I would toss out the pictures on a post as my finds have been somewhat limited lately and at least it is a precious metal find. LOL If anyone has any info on the creature on the ring or anything for that matter, I would appreciate the help in IDing it. cuniagau PS: It is about a size 6 so it is either a woman's ring or maybe a man's pinky ring.

The video is fine, and the warning appreciated. Who is sensitive to language and who does not care, is not a reason for either admiring, or looking down on people. Keep the judgement to yourselves folks, since this is not the judge and be judged forum.

a view of the rear of the buckle :

Wow, now that's a silver ring! Great find. I can't resist... Could it be a Manticore? 🤔

Good morning. Ok I've been making myself use just the ws6 over the last week or more. I'm actually really enjoying it. I like how it's adaptable to either using it as headphones alone, pairing it with wsa2, wsa2 XL , mounting to stem, wearing as a watch or wired headphones/earbuds. These are all fantastic. It basically has every setting the remote has. The couple it doesn't have are not too important. So I'm thinking this is what I will use for the next month. If it grows on me more then I may use only this.

I do like the quest phones for the puck. I don't have a pair at the moment but I do have the wsa2XL and they fit me loosely. They sound fine but they do flop on my head at times. I have tried the grey ghost ultimate headphones and those fit the best but sounded the worst.

Chase, I totally get where you are coming from. The way XP did the user profiles is just weird and for your scenario, awkward at best. I do most of my detecting with Deus 2 WS6 using the Fast program variants so thankfully they are all grouped together and are easy to navigate. I wish the Park program was not sandwiched in between them and Deep HC….and I wish the Relic program was next to Deep HC also. For now, having Mono and Goldfield next to each other has worked out really well for me for gold prospecting. I just ordered the WSA ll headphones with the removable audio module so I can use it with my Detechs. That way I can have a choice of light weight on the ear back phones for warmer weather and excellent over the ear option for colder weather or for gold prospecting where I need really good external noise cancelling most of the time whether I mount the WS6 on the stem or keep it tucked safely away due to rough terrain or water. Great topic…….

Chase I agree with most of that. I am a minimalist for the most part and my mind doesn't work like yours. I have tried several adjacent programs , different detectors, etc and still dig the iffy targets . My issue is I've been detecting since 1978 and many of those older detectors would usually only give a slight clue there was a good target in the ground in iron or trash so I dug everything for the most part. I'm trying hard to update my way of thinking lol. I've used the deus since 2013 but used whites for 30+ years. The mxt I used for 15 or more years. I'm still doing so much better than the old days as far as diging goodies amongst trash due to better tech. The F75 was great compared to the detectors I used most of my life, but now I have no desire to use one since the equinox, ctx, etrac ,deus 2 etc. I know etrac is a little older but still awesome . So I am getting better about learning the new way of things thanks to reading on these forums and videos. But anyway I no longer feel the need to spend a lot of time caparing targets with different programs or detectors, I dig it the heck outta the ground. I don't think my mindset has ever been technical like yours , but I could detect in a technical way if that makes sense.

Worked great. There is a .75 mile walk from where we had to park the car, to where we actually wanted to hunt. In the past, that would be a 10 or 12 minute walk. The Ebikes made that a 2 minute whirl. This was just a practice run, for an objective we have coming up, where a few spots involve several miles to get to. One of them over landscape terra firma (poor trails, at best). So we got the "fat tire" variety. Already I can tell that's a benefit at our practice run. Because in the particular case of where we were, it was grass at one point that we were crossing (cow-pasture type grass). And it had just rained HARD the previous days. So : If we'd had regular street tires, I'm guessing they would have been more prone to "cut into the mud" (get stuck). Versus fat tire where you have a better chance of traction in loose- or wet- terra-firma . Also : At the current price of gas, I find myself using mine for round-town errands (bank deposit, post office, etc....). So it's beneficial in other ways besides the detecting purpose.

Good Manticore backup machine 😏

I wondered if that would be confusing. 😀 When the English settlers came here, they brought English Ivy with them and planted it around their homes. It is now considered an invasive species in the USA. When the houses are removed the ivy blankets any area not tilled or cared for, so if you're in the woods a carpet of English ivy means a house was there. This is an oversimplification, but ivy and daffodils are a great indicator of where houses once stood if there is no other clue in the USA. Guess it's everywhere there 🤔

Yup! I'm excited for the Manticore to ship. It's going to be awesome.

This I thought we already had a discussion here a while back about meteors causing fires. Funny the guy played along with the reporter all the while with a lighted cigarette in his hand lol. I've never heard of a meteor being the cause for a forest fire before. strick

My only issue with WS6 Master is that in my style of detecting I like to interrogate iffy targets with multiple programs to see how the target responds. I set this up on the remote using 2 to 4 adjacent custom programs with different parameters (tones, reactivities, filters, disc/notch patterns) geared to the site conditions and targets of interest (e.g., relics in high mineralization, coin shooting parks, beach detecting for jewelry, etc.). I use a general search program then when I get a hit on an iffy target, I just hit the plus/minus buttons while sweeping over the target to see how the signal responds to the various other programs to help inform a dig decision. WS6 Master custom program Storage us not set up in a manner that allows more than ywo variants of any given built-in program. I would really miss that program interrogation feature. WS6 Master works in a pinch, though, if you don't do the target interrogation thing or only occasionally have to use the more cumbersome custom program navigation setup of the WS6 because it otherwise has most of the features/settings of the remote. The seemungly endless coil/remote/puck & headphone/pinnpointer configuration permutations enabled by the wireless modular reconfigurability of Deus is a huge plus especially for minimalist/light/compact highly portable configurations.

It depends , sometimes I find roman coins on the surface ... And I still find new targets in fields where I have been detecting during 15 years ... Then for some reason some targets tend to move up to the surface . It would be a good topic for a master's thesis ...🙂

No, i worked similar. Even in security, as a bouncer and armed night gaurd, in Melbourne in the 80s 90s. Mad stuff. When I was then language was held back. Just scum talked like that. Drunk bums and nobodies. Now its normalised, on TV and everywhere mate. We once had damn respect for who heard our words. Its now gone. I worked too mate as a rigger for several yrs in Melbourne. We had respect, guess its gone and you were not around then so it doesn't "bother you". Good on you with foul disrespectful language being the norm, Norm. Some of us still try to show respect.

The problem is at our age we can get down on our hands and knees to recover targets quickly meaning our neck gets closer to the coil without needing someone to assist us to get back up. 😄 I admit though, I do get teased by the wife for grunting like an old man when I get back up, my time is coming so I shouldn't get too lippy! 🙂 I think Jw can attest to that, I think I grunt louder than he does when we get up after lunch after a hard mornings detecting. 😛

you better be right or you and I are going to have words!!! 🙂

I will give you the same advice I gave to budding photographers when they were asking me for advice on different cameras: Put your hands on it, close your eyes and see how it feels in your hand. Are the controls intuitive? How is the texture in your opinion? The grip? Forget about the make & model etc. as the competition is so stiff now that barring water resistance, you cannot go wrong with your purchase as most machine are VERY similar. At the end of the day, buy the one that talks to you, your hands will tell you, THAT is the one you should get because you will be hands on with it for hours at a time. There is noting worse than buying something because it has a certain feature the other one did not BUT you don't use it as much because of comfort level. Comfort can mean many things to many folks, some prefer the texture, others prefer the ergonomics or the "handshake" when you grab it. Comfort trumps features every time, because you will be more active with a machine you WANT to use rather than the you one you purchased due to a certain feature but does not feel as welcoming in your hands.

Maybe a cross-bred between a Pegasus and a serpent. LOL Hey, they're mythical aren't they. Maybe a Pegaserpent. The brother of the BEAST.

A view with the other period targets from this "buckle village" side of our site : Camp lead, Toe-tap, keeper, pistol balls, gun part, thimble, underwear buttons, ball button, and 2 -piece button (nothing on either of them). These are all fun history to our growing collection to the provenance of this site. Nothing here has dated to after the mid to late 1850s, so : Any find is an interesting find. Even the junk is "fun junk", so-to-speak.

Here's the link, I bookmarked it and use it all the time. Someone on this forum called attention to it a while back, and it's been really useful: https://apps.nationalmap.gov/viewer/ Zoom in to where you want to look using the base map. Then click or tap on the layers button (stacked squares), and select "3dep hillside stretched". That's the view I find most useful. Most farms here have been worked for so long that much of the detail disappears, and that's where historic aerials comes in. I plot all the stuff in OnX Hunt, and go there 🙂 it was easy to find that spot, and with historic aerials I found a barn I was looking for in dense overgrowth. I'm setting it up now to mark a 300+ year old road that might lead to a war of 1812 site. It's long gone and overgrown, but the Lidar shows it pretty clearly. Going to have to hack my way in! The owner is ok with that.

Gary Blackwell has a new video on the new 13 inch coil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vVI5by5apc&ab_channel=Themetaldetectingskillschool

The paragraph above, that I put in bolded, italicized, enlarged, red text, is -- in my opinion, marketing mumbo-jumbo. While most of it is largely "true," you really have to read it carefully, as the truth is "in there," but "obfuscated." The one thing that I believe is NOT true -- and it's why I say it's marketing nonsense, is the part that said, essentially, "while the CTX could plot targets, the Manticore 'takes it to the next level,' by giving the target SHAPE." The implication there is that the Manticore is doing something that the CTX could not, and this is simply not true. The bottom line, as I've said a million times, is that the target shape is only INDIRECTLY related to the target. And I strongly believe that whatever the Manticore can do, in terms of "shape," is the same thing the CTX would do. A good, round, consistently ID-ing target would show up as a small round blob, on the CTX 2-D screen, just as it will on the Manticore 2-D screen. Likewise, an irony, elongated, bouncy ID-ing target would show up non-round, more like an elongated smear in many cases, ON EITHER UNIT. So, THIS IS NOTHING NEW! That's not to say that the Manticore screen may not be higher-resolution, thus possibly allowing "tighter" circles to be drawn. And also, of course, the more accurate the ID algorithms are on a unit, the more "small" and "round" a coin or ring will show up. So, if the Manticore has a more "precise" ID algorithm than the CTX, then the shapes may be "prettier" on a round object (again, those "round" shapes being reflective of the very consistent, non-varying ID...such that plotting multiple snapshots of the x,y ID numbers on an x,y coordinate system would result in a very small/round "dot"). But, my point here is -- DO NOT BE FOOLED into thinking the Manticore is taking any sort of "reading" that would allow a "direct" plot of the outline of the shape of any given target. The shape of the plot is DIRECTLY related only to the "bounce" or "change" in VDI (or lack thereof) at each sampling interval, and only INDIRECTLY related the shape of the object... Steve

Owned and used the Equinox longer than anyone here. Gave the Deus II a spin. If I had no detector and was buying new today, I’d be buying a Manticore. Why? Better performance than a Equinox, and better coils than a Deus II, with no antenna needed for underwater use. May as well use the latest and the greatest - shipping soon!

What....365 days? 🤔

Another fun story and hunt and super saves from the Dynamic Duo! Congrats on the great finds! Thanks for sharing and I can't wait to see the results from your upcoming epic adventure. Cheers! 😎

strick, Folks, I think we have a winner of "what the heck is this BEAST on this ring?". Thanks strick, cuniagau HIPPOCAMPE and HIPPOCAMPUS (Hippokampê and Hippokampos), the mythical sea-horse, which, according to the description of Pausanias (ii. 1), was a horse, but the part of its body down from the breast was that of a sea monster or fish. The horse appears even in the Homeric poems as the symbol of Poseidon, whose chariot was drawn over the surface of the sea by swift horses. The later poets and artists conceived and represented the horses of Poseidon and other marine divinities as a combination of a horse and a fish.

I use my WS6 as headphones alone . It is the simplest configuration as I have just to charge 2 devices , the coil and the WS6 . For me having to charge 3 devices is a little bit too much , and I dont need to change programs or settings in the field then I have no real need for the RC .. I have 30 hours with the WS6 up to now , I am sure you will enjoy it ... 🙂

interesting read https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11189275/Scientists-answers-66-million-year-old-meteorite-wildfire-mystery.html strick

Nice work fellas. Those naval anchor buttons are my favorites lots of detail. Brian I’ll need to pick your brain on the e bike as I’ve been looking at them also. Those star buckles were popular back then. Found a couple that were broken off stars... but never a whole one yet. Strick

I was -At least it covered a spot where the mozzies couldn’t bite me.

Sources have stated release is imminent and just days away 😁 strick

Of a great group….

For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks... From the good Book

I think it is. 😊

For me and my soil conditions compared to the Equinox 800, the Legend is just as deep, separates better and has FOUR other big at least for me, advantages. It's actually waterproof. It has Pitch tones for its Park and Field modes so a highly modulated VCO variant for non-ferrous with the option to hear or not hear a separate low grunt iron tone audio. It has a wider target ID spread in the small gold to USA zinc penny range so common aluminum targets are more spread out and don't mostly clump up on top of US nickel target IDs. 16 custom program slots as opposed to 1 on the Nox 800. For me, the Equinox pod is way easier to navigate so far.

Well, actually that was a bit strong, and so I apologize to maxxkatt. I get where he is coming from and it's not always wrong. But I know Steve N personally, and went into "sticking up for a friend" mode. He really is a great guy, and we are lucky to have him at the helm at Garrett. It takes years to see results, and the Axiom is the first real project to develop out of Steve's tenure. It will not be the last. You are about to see the new Garrett in more ways than one.

I don't have an answer but I can tell you where to get great and detailed info on any Tesoro detector ever made. Join Monte Berry's AHRPS forum and ask there (preferably in the Tesoro sub-forum). Monte is a Tesoro enthusiast, connoisseur, afficianado, fanatic(?), former dealer with nearly 60 years of detecting experience who's owned&used almost every model and in some cases multiples simultaneously. Just so happens the Silver Saber Micromax is one of his two all-time favorite Tesoro models. Short of the late Jack Gifford (founder) and his engineers he probably knows/knew more about Tesoro detectors than just about anyone alive or dead. He happens to be a member here (username Monte) but hasn't posted in over a year and apparently hasn't even logged in for a couple months. He's extremely active on his own forum, though.

So I've been told by kac, Joe D, and Dogodog. 😀 I bought a Vaquero, and definitely want to learn that "language". So far it's been beep dig, but I know there's more. I did a test not too long ago with all 4 of my detectors. I took a board, put it down on the grass in a spot my detector found was clear. Got two silver coins, and two square nails. First I waved my detector over the nail alone, on the Vaquero and Ace 400 I discriminated it out, and then put the nails on top of the coins as shown. The Ace was a disaster, it showed a signal but was silent because I didn't have iron audio on, it should have hit the coins. The Equinox got the coin signal in one direction, pretty much what I expected. The Deus also missed it sadly, but with disc turned past the nail the Vaquero went off. 👍 Every time, and from every angle. I call it the "F350 Crapboard test™" 🤣 it opened my eyes to the magicks of the Tesoro.

Any detector can discriminate out pull tabs and aluminum. And all the good items that go along with them, like gold jewelry. There is nothing new here in that regard. Despite all the desire to make this a huge mystery it's simple. Manticore is a next generation Equinox, upgraded in most every way possible. Call it an iteration if you like, or a new detector... that's just semantics. If you liked Equinox, you should love Manticore. But it's not a magic wand, does not tune out aluminum while finding gold, or any nonsense like that. Just does what the Nox does, but better.

Well, the decision has been made by forum member Highland, and I doubt there was a wrong choice. Congratulations. But I will answer directly a question (and implication) about the Manticore, both generally and specifically: 1) No one except a few (potentially biased) insiders has really given this as-yet-to-be released detector a good workout. As such we don't really know about its actual performance until it gets released and lots of people (in lots of different environments!) get a chance to work with it. 2) Minelab caught (and continues to catch) considerable grief for some shortcomings of the strength of the Equinox. In particular the leaking control pod was a big one. If they haven't remedied that for the Manticore there is going to be hell to pay, not just from users but from their stockholders. If they are halfway smart (and everyone gives them at least that much credit 😏), the problems with the Equinox will not be present on the Manticore. From the videos with engineer Mark Lawrie, it's been said multiple times that the leaking issues, coil ear problems, and uncomfortable grip have been addressed & remedied with the Manticore. 3) (This point may be controversial and worse, overstated. So I'll emphasize it is just my opinion.) Don't trust side-by-side comparison videos for performance. Even if the bias is unintentional, there will be bias. The soil's ferrous-mineralization/salt/moisture are all biases. The detector settings are a bias. The targets are a bias. The density of trash is a bias. The coils are a bias. And in most cases the person doing the video is not equally expert with both (or multiple) detectors. It's an impossible task. Everyone has their preferences/likes/dislikes and only the individual end user can figure out what's best for him/her. Worst is when someone has a favorite and/or one he doesn't like, or even other detectorists he doesn't like and gets a thrill from trashing that person's detector. (This last part will remind some here of a comparison video creator or two. 😄)

Thats a really cool ring with lots of intricate engraving... not your everyday find. That would be a favorite. type in: horse with wings and a long tail like a mermaid (hippocampus) type in: seahorse with wings (seahorses have tiny wings) strick

Yes XP uses a proprietary wireless since the Deus1 which was released in 2010 . I dont know the XP wireless latency but it is very low as it is not hearable , either for the D1 or for the D2 ... It is very reliable , I have never had a pb with the XP wireless after hundreds of hours with the D1 , and now with the D2 ... From my standpoint it is not important wether its proprietary or not , I just need something that works , and it is the case for the XP wireless ...

It's all good, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment, they may get them out on time, they may not and if history is anything to go by they likely won't or if they do it won't be in any significant numbers due to the first lot being shipped by plane with much more costly shipping than by sea which the bulk of them will come by at a later date and most people wanting one will miss out on the early batch, I'm certain they want to get them out by Christmas, it would help sales dramatically if they do.

Goldseeker - Enjoyed your videos and appreciate all the work you put into them. My thoughts- I traded my black trowel for one of SE's green Prospector's Scoops. Nuggets settle in the bottom quicker and are easier to see and show up better on video. Here in Eastern Oregon we have lots of range fires and so cigarettes are frown on while out in the grass and brush. Not a good look on video either. Keep up the good work. I'll look for more

Like F350Platinum said, your location/ground conditions and target choices/variety are the keys to picking the best detector for your situation. These are my opinions after hundreds to thousands of in the field hours with the three detectors mentioned next. Where I detect, the Equinox, Deus 2 and the Nokta Legend (why aren't you considering it) are so close in performance that the differences can be measured in fractions of an inch EXCEPT on small low conductive targets and in ground with higher iron mineralization. The Equinox and Legend pull substantially ahead of Deus 2 from my field experience and testing of these three models if small low conductor targets like small sub gram gold nuggets, micro sized gold jewelry and high iron content land or beach mineralization are a factor. Right now the only reasons I would pick Deus 2 over these other detectors and possibly Manticore is for hunting man-made iron trashed sites for mid to high conductor coin sized or bigger targets, for use mostly as a submerged or diving detector and for its exceptional ergonomics for users that need a really lightweight detector for whatever reasons they might have. Otherwise, the Equinox and Legend are both outstanding alternatives to Deus 2 for coin sized coin, jewelry and relic hunting from my experience. As far as the Manticore.......who knows.