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In the same spirit as CPT_Ghostlight's posts, I have had two hunts this week with Deus 2 version 1.0. These were coin and jewelry hunts so nothing special, just getting used to a few of the differences between 0.71 and 1.0 during hunts. I have usually used silencer on 0, bottle cap 1 and iron volume on 3 in my Square Wave custom 5 tone USA coin program based on Sensitive. In version 1.0 the changes XP made have made it necessary for me to run silencer 1 or 2, bottle cap 1 and iron volume on default 7. I also have been trying out Hi Square Wave audio since is seems to be more reactive and modulated than Square Wave. Today I had a hunt at a public school scrape off that also shared a public park. All of it is being sold for new housing. There was aluminum trash, nails, bolts, nuts, and all of the other stuff one finds at a scrape off. So tons of aluminum and iron trash. On top of that, this iron rich dirt was damp and was maxing out the iron mineralization meter.. I had never hunted this site. I did not know what to expect. I just wanted to see if Deus 2 with 9" coil and version 1.0 software running Sensitive 5 tone Hi Square audio with disc 10, bottle cap 1, notch OFF, silencer 1, sensitivity 95, frequency max 40 kHz, iron volume 7, reactivity 2 to 2.5, audio response 4, audio filter 0, Fe TID ON could find some decent mid and high conductors without too much iron falsing. In these kind of dirt conditions running silencer too high is a bad idea and so is running bottle cap reject set too high. Ground mineralization masking becomes an issue. So I was willing to deal with some iron falsing in the hope of getting enough accurate audio and target ID information to make a dig/no dig decision on mid and high conductors. I dug 5 deep rusty nails, 2 big deep rusty bolts and couple of golf ball sized deep rusty iron blobs. By deep, I mean these targets were at least 8" deep and they had iron and mid to high tone audio responses and accompanying numbers. I also dug about 25 pull tabs on purpose hoping for gold!!!!! The rest of the targets are in the photo. Many of these targets had nails and aluminum trash very close by or in the hole with them. The oldest wheat penny was a 1917. There is also a 1935 New Mexico copper 5 mill tax token, a silver/turquoise ring, titanium ring and a hammered copper ring. The only shallow targets were the crusty zinc pennies. The rest of these targets were in the 4" to 8" deep range. Basically, I had no problems distinguishing ferrous from non ferrous and aluminum trash from good non-ferrous targets during this hunt. I really like Hi Square tones so far.

Well wife did great with the Manti today she found a nice Pandora silver bracelet. Me I was playing with the new D2 software and programs, but managed to get a couple bucks in change (still not as impressive as the bracelet). Yep I know it’s a shocker I am usually swinging my pulse machine at the beach. Just determined to figure the D2 out and been hunting high in lots of trash. Our beaches have an harsh slope right now. Doesn’t matter if it is low or high tide the waves hitting roughly in same area through tide cycle. Also glad that XP got the installer working on the Mac’s now as well as the new features they added to the machine. So the funny thing is I found a Pandora silver charm years ago at a park. Well it fits bracelet perfectly. Designed for it — imagine that. Back at it tomorrow! Maybe my turn for silver of course hoping for gold or platinum. I can dream!

Introducing the new QWIPPLE™, triple adjustment Shock cord support system. There has never been anything like this. (Availability in 40 days) • Top of the line custom made 50% stretch (most shock cord is 100% stretch) UV Dacron Polyester Shock cord. Durable and tough. Control without all the bounce. This shock cord is specially made to my exacting specifications. This is necessary to withstand the rigors of metal detecting. I had to order 6200 meters to get this shock cord made to meet my requirements because it's not available commercially. • Exclusive ambidextrous heavy duty shoulder clip that allows 1 handed easy height adjustment "on the go." Never miss a swing, no stopping to re-adjust. Attach either looped end to the rod and you can still adjust the height, because both sides of the clip have an adjustment groove. • Amazing, rod bungee connection point fits any detector. You can also adjust the height of the detector here, or, simply use the loop end of the shock cord to attach. If you do like to adjust at the rod adjustment connector, no problem. When you are ready to lay your detector down in the dirt, don't take the clip off at the shoulder, this just allows your shock cord to lay in the dirt with your detector. Simply pop the shock cord out of the side of the rod adjustment device and leave your shock cord hanging on your shoulder high and dry and clean. • Every QWIPPLE™ triple adjustment shock cord support system comes with a RING STRAP included. You can sew the RING STRAP onto your favorite support harness, backpack or hydration pack and your all set. Doc

And here is a shark pict for F350. This was taken while we were checking out beaches yesterday to detect. Biggin don’t get in water 😂. F350 your pict is better.

Everything seems way more reactive except bump sensitivity which I noticed is almost completely gone. Hunted a site I've gone over many times with many detectors, didn't find much but that is one of the first things that jumped out at me because of the ground stubble. Only heard a peep when I managed to whack a tree or two. Runs very quiet now. Both objects came from the same tree under the roots. I also found out that it's a good idea to sharpen your shovel now and again. 🤣 Forgot how good the Predator Ranger is with roots. There is a lot more to learn.

Nice silver score! Sounds like you need to get a Manticore for yourself so the wife don't keep kicking your butt. 😄

Gorgeous silver bracelet your wife found there, well done! When we were in Melbourne in March '22 I found a 9 foot hammerhead shark washed up on the beach one morning. He had a deep puncture wound in the abdomen probably from a large stingray. It's a little unnerving to think about those big boys cruising around just off shore. 😮

Someones gotta do it! It was hard, took a lot of will power but I really showed 'em!

We can vote with our wallets. The Quest V80 is looking pretty good to me.

Sounds like it has everything to do with it: "We reported a few days ago on how the International Detector Center (IDC) based in Germany, suddenly dropped Minelab from the brands that they distribute. The reason for this course of action was not entirely clear at the time. Although we did speculate that there was more behind it than was explained in the statement put out by IDC. We now know the main reason behind IDC dropping Minelab. It is alleged that Minelab gave IDC an ultimatum. If they wanted to continue to distribute Minelab products in Europe they should cease their partnership with Nokta and also Quest. In Nokta’s case, we assume this is to do with the current lawsuit that Minelab filed against the company in the USA for patent infringement. Something that Nokta strenuously denies. But why the pressure to drop Quest? The company recently announced their new range of simultaneous multi-frequency machines. Initially, their SMF tech was called “SimultiQ” however it seems that there were legal concerns around the use of this name. Perhaps Minelab objected as it was too similar to their own “Multi-IQ”. As a result, Quest renamed it “HyperQ” however, this may not have been enough for Minelab. Do they also suspect patent infringement here too? Whatever is happening in the industry right now, is not good for manufacturers and certainly not good for customers. If indeed Minelab is using pressure tactics to try and force distributors and dealers to stock their products at the expense of other brands, this can only end badly for Minelab. No one likes a bully!" Link to above story- same publication the OP linked to.

Doc, do you have images of it on a detector? Sounds simple but photo if just the product makes it look complicated. I bought a strap from Detector Pro ages ago, could never get it adjusted right.

June 10 2002 Part Two When I got back to camp Jacob was finishing up the gold weigh and had two ounces in the pan. I told him what had just happened and he was real upset about the situation. We had managed to process 25 yards before being sabotaged. Vern and Jim eventually came back down to camp and then Vern and I took the steer back up to the pump. We put it in the bucket of the steer and hauled it back to camp. There was nothing left to do but haul the pump into town to have a mechanic look at it. When he did he said he might be able to get it running with new parts but we were probably better off to just buy a new one. So we placed an order for a new pump and left the old one at the shop for the mechanic to look over. We still had the smaller pump and extra hose at camp. By now it was past 5:00 PM and we decided to call it a day. We’ll set up the old pump and replace the bad layflat hose in the morning and get a fresh start. TO BE CONTINUED .....................

ATX is fully submersible and open coils made for underwater use. Axiom rainproof but not submersible, and coils float like a cork. The 11" x 7" can be held under only with significant down pressure, and the larger ones - well, forget it. Until water neutral accessory coils are available I do not consider the Axiom suitable for wading use.

Thank you for this suggestion. I bought a pair of these and like them. They pair easily with the legend. I had a low latency transmitter lying around so I can now use them with my X-Terra Pro too.

The man himself-

Spent 16 days in Rye Patch area in Nevada recently using the 6000 for the first time in gold country. Found 3 small nugets the first day, one the second and one the third, this is going to be good! Ha, went dry for the next 10 days and finaly found 2 more day 14 then 1 more on day 15 for a total of 6.8 grams. Not a large amount but found nothing last year in 10 days so I at least beat the skunk. Had 2 days of beat-down rain and one day of un-bearable wind, several days of cold weather but the last 2 days were beautiful. Met a few good folks also prospecting, alwasys fun to talk with them about finding gold. Good luck to all in your search.

Nokta Makro Legend, Equinox 800, Equinox 900, Nokta Makro Gold Kruzer are all fully waterproof and can handle freshwater submerged use for river beds and crevices. They are very sensitive VLFs and have very similar performance in the gold prospecting modes. The Legend and Equinox 900 also have handle vibration for alerting on targets when the entire detector is submerged. The Garrett AT Gold is a decent larger gold nugget submerged detector. However since it runs at 18 kHz, it is not nearly as sensitive to smaller or hard to hit nuggets as the 40 kHz and higher Legend, Equinox and Gold Kruzer. The Legend and Equinox 800/900 have more usable features in their gold modes than the Gold Kruzer.

For what it’s worth, I think most of us are assuming that all programs using frequency addition will be exactly the same when the max frequency is set the same in each one and all other settings are the same. However there may be something different going on with the weighting of the lower frequencies…probably only XP knows this for sure. I guess if one takes the time to set up , say, park and sensitive to the exact same settings and max frequency and then toggling between the two on various targets, you should be able to tell if they’re the same. I have to admit I’m not big on setting up test gardens. I’d much rather learn the machine by hunting with it in the wild.

My goal was to see if I could sniff out any high conductors from the iron using General, Full Tones. It has been killer on the mid conductors but the iron falsing in version 7.1 was not amenable to me hearing any high conductors. This site has lots 200- to 300-year-old crusty blobs of iron that have a big halo. Falsing is pretty constant. Anyway, I had hopes that V1.0 would help tame the iron falsing, and it did help. Still had squeaks popping through but it was a noticeable improvement over V7.1. I set the max frequency to 14 kHz as my focus was high conductors. I didn’t find any but that was no surprise at all. This is a small colonial era home site less than a quarter acre in size that has been detected to death. After having no luck with 14 kHz, I raised the frequency back up to 40. It’s been my experience that the higher frequencies will give you better separation in the iron, but it is also my experience that the higher frequencies will get fooled on iron more than the lower frequencies. Since I had already jacked the Silencer up to 4, I thought I would raise my Disc from 6 to 10 to see if that would help with the falsing. But for the heck of it I lowered the Disc all the way to -6.4 and much to my surprise that helped the falsing quite a bit! I haven’t figured that out yet. I went over the site again and this time around I dug a few buttons, a very small thin cufflink and a few bits of lead and pewter. Most were collocated with iron. Once again, anytime a midtone comes through, even a scratchy one, it is almost always a nonferrous. This was my first time out with V1.0 and I was happy with its performance. But still a lot to learn. I really like the enhanced Iron Volume and the Silencer is an improvement. I didn’t play with Audio Filter or the FE TID. I think Bottle Cap reject would have helped with the falsing on those blobs of rusty iron. I’ll add that in next time out. I’m really intrigued as to why the negative Disc helped with the falsing ?? Lodge

Surprised it’s so popular. For me, I avoid Camo on my detector gear because I want to be able to find it again if I intentionally or unintentionally leave it behind in the field (like if I have to go back to my vehicle to fetch something). I guess some folks find it useful for keeping a low profile, or something?

That's a great project, But I don't think Doc was looking for any DIY suggestions for "his" product! But if you would like to start your own post on the subject, it might garner more intrest!🍀👍

I had to turn off my Trend Micro. It seems to hate the login page.

If you are handy, a piece of surgical tubing from Home Depot works just as well if not better. I used one on my Minelab Explorer for years. It makes the detector almost weightless and relieves your grip on the handle. Take three or four feet of rope or nylon webbing. Make a large loop at one end. Put your arm through the loop and have it go behind your neck and over your other shoulder. Then run the tubing from the rope to the lower part of the rod. There are various ways to make it adjustable but once you have the length set to your height, it never needs adjustment. This is me using it at Salisbury Beach in 2013.

I'm fairly confident of what I said, in fact XP points that out in the Factory Programs section of the D2 manual . The programs are not defined only by their top frequency. The General, Relic, Beach, and Diving programs use Subtractive frequencies and all the other programs use Additive frequencies. That is just one program difference beyond the top frequency settings. The only programs that are derived from the same base programs are the Sensitive, Sensitive Full Tones, and Fast, and the 3 Beach programs, with possibly the Dive program being derived from Beach as well. Of course I could be wrong and if that is proven to be so, I will accept it. Since you are so interested in that, you should try setting up Park and Sensitive with the exact same settings including tones and audio type and see if they seem identical to you or not, keeping in mind they may perform similarly in certain ground conditions and perform differently in other ground conditions. If they do perform differently under different ground conditions, that would indicate a difference in processing and other internal settings beyond user control and suggesting differences in the programs.

Very nice find that your wife uncovered while you were playing with change. Just kidding with you for not finding the bracelet and giving it to the wife. Good luck on your next hunt with the wife and stay safe out there, because you never know if the wife would want you to detect the water and watch your back while your doing it.

Nice haul, Jeff, well done and congrats on the silver and other rings!

Thanks for your reply. Makes me wonder how many more have (had) the problem.

To be honest. In .71 a disc. of -6.4 really made iron quiet on the beach too.

Chase to be clear, setting the Disc to -6.4 didn't totally stop the falsing but it did make a noticable difference. I certainly don't understand the interactions of all the settings at this early stage in the game, but this oddity certainly got my attention!

That’s certainly a strange one. Hopefully, it’s not a bug like we had early on as described here where with disc set at -6.4, you would get no iron tone (which would be sort of the opposite of what you were describing, Lodge). Frankly, if the detector is falsing on iron with a TID well above the disc limit (iron tone break) shifting disc up or down a few points should not theoretically make falsing noticeably better or worse. The main factors should be, as you noted, Silencer and Max F. BTW note that the max silencer setting is now 7, so maybe increasing it further is what is needed for 40 kHz Max so you can re-invoke disc and at least don’t get non-ferrous tones on all targets. Will have to play with that one. The only real way to verify is to find a falsing nail and see if it really stops falsing at -6.4 disc. Yep that is really odd behavior but sometimes weird behaviors an anomalies show up at the extreme endpoints of parameter settings’ ranges.

That's not necessarily true. If that were actually the case, they would only need to have one preset program and let users do the rest. However, each program group (General, Park, Sensitive, Relic, Beach, etc.) can and probably does have different weightings for the low and , if used, mid frequencies for specific ground compensations and other properties. We can only adjust the upper frequency limit of each program at this time, which is adds more flexibility to the stock programs and I certainly like that. Now, if they give us an update down the line allowing users to adjust the other frequencies used in each program, then the possibilities are endless! However, with much power comes much responsibilty, because most users would probably not take the time to learn what they need to know to properly adjust lower and mid frequencies without screwing up their machines. That is probably why most detector manufacturers are reluctant to give users too much control. 😏

The wheeled rig in the photo might be okay for finding cannon balls but useless for prospecting. Note how far the ATV is from the coil. That is because it is 4 stroke and would play hell with the electronics, plus the lead being so long would suffer from voltage drop. I've tried the wheel setup but found it impractical. Too much jolting resulting in false signalling. The conveyer belt is very smooth, partly because of the weight, which makes it impractical for towing by hand. (unless you are Hercules) One option is to build a large coil like Jim Stewart's 'Bismarck' only instead of wearing it in a bulky harness swing it like a line trimmer using a sling and counter balance it with a battery. I have seen this method used to great success in central Victoria and WA by John-Hider Smith, one of the best and most talented prospectors who ever swung a coil.

Thanks Rick for passing the Pantera "torch" to me!!😁👍 And thanks too the rest who have added to this post, as information on the Pantera is hard to find elsewhere!! I'm doing my best to keep my Tesoro's in play!! Really gonna miss Monte Berry's expertise on them!😔 So any of you offering your "two cents" on DP forum is much appreciated, for any models that you loved! BTW, I have both Clean Sweep coils (4 and 5 pin) and the Bigfoot for my MXT All Pro!! Not gonna sell anytime soon!🤔 It's a sickness, I know!! 🤪🍀👍👍

We're in our monsoon season now so I moved all the furniture around in the family room and made an indoor test garden. That is not winning me any points with the wife! 🙄

I've been busy with some other detecting lately out in the deserts. I like those nuggets and meteorites. You can kind of target those and know what you'll get. When you go to the beach (just like a park) you can get coins, relics and jewelry. Today's best finds were a couple of rings. The first was a stainless steel ring found after a couple of hours of mostly nothing except those tent stakes. My beaches have been very stingy the last few weeks so I was glad to get it. I slowed down with the 11/800 and began to find 'patch' stuff. I like patches. I grid them and just enjoy having a few targets together rather than long walks always. My clues were that I was out on a pretty low tide and things were seemingly deep for the 11. I'm normally a 15 user but the 11 was on and I didn't expect much and was back to where I started when I got the stainless steel ring. It says 316L and weighs 6.7g. I continued on just above the black sand line and found other coins and stakes and then I heard a faint 'penny' or it could have been. I made it down a full scoop (6") and it was still in the bottom of the hole. A couple of more scoops, around 10" I got it out. It was a nice shine for the early morning. This is a 10K with lots of little diamonds. It weighs 7.8 grams. My first gold ring in quite a while and first one with the 11" in even longer. I'm ready to take the 3030 out this week with the 17" and see if I can renew a liking for it and look at some of my old find points.

The first day that I hunted the old hop pickers camp was back in the late 70's with a Whites Coinmaster. Thats the day that I dug the coat button? missing it's eyelet and the nicest and most interesting Oriental coin that I have ever found.I pounded the place pretty hard for a couple of years with the Whites and later a Garrett Groundhog and found a fair amount of decent stuff. I then moved on and left the place that has been hiding in plain site on the back burner so to speak.Fast forward forty three years later and I thought why not once again try to acquire permission which was granted and see what the Deus 1 and 2 and maybe NOX 800 can sniff out? So far the second identical button and the little pendant have made the effort well worth it.

One thing I have always liked about the ORX is its Gold Mode, I needed something that could I,D small iron , like bread ties and remove them or oval bottle caps because they can mask, good targets, so after some messing around with Gold 1 i came to this setting and on a spot of ground I have been over , and over in disc i managed to pull out more and deeper tabs, cuzz I am looking for Gold rings, and it worked , the find of the day was a long undug but masked U,S nickle , it was singing thru in that gone over spot . I also found it will find targets next to iron poles as well . ya the nail was masking the nickle. but it made a good sip sound and i dug it

Deus 2 in water, especially fast moving water would need the antenna wire connected. It is waterproof but wireless signal from coil to control unit won’t travel through water. Also, Deus 2’s Goldfield mode is still not very sensitive to small gold compared to the Legend, Equinox 800/900 and Gold Kruzer. XP may fix it in the next software update. Manticore is a possibility. CTX on really small gold would not be my first choice. The multi frequency detectors I mentioned are very hot on small gold.

Yes. So I had the lowest bin set to a lower kHz, I think 205kHz. [no pitch] I did not run -6.4 a lot. In testing it gave me the appearance that deep targets were muted more. [not crisp] It did seem to handle black sand conditions better and iron some. However, those iron targets that wanted to wrap-around still seemed to do that. Since I am using the 9" coil it made me concerned, I might miss some of those muted deep targets and just think they were blips or ticks. One has to watch their swing speed with the 9" coil. With the new update it would be worth it to investigate this style some more.

I'm glad you got it working.

yes sir, same for me, but the great thing, the download works on my MacBook...........before i had to carry over to a friend with windows to update........thank you XP Deus

i layed it all in the floor, walked around it 3 times backwards...............everything is working fine now

Thanks for your report, Logde Scent! That's very interesting about using Disc at -6.4 reduces falsing. Maybe try turning FE TID on to see what numbers iron is ringing up as. It could be that running Disc in the middle of the iron range forces higher iron numbers to sound off as falses. I was thinking that higher Disc would force iron numbers to sound off as iron, but what if it's the opposite! Unfortunately I'm in the middle of monsoon season and can't get out to test this yet, but you may have just discovered the Holy Grail in dealing with iron! 😉

I own a Nox 800 and I'm considering buying an XTP for backup and to carry allways in the car... Estoy flipando con lo bien que decís que detecta! Some people say that it's a deep as Nox 800; those who owns both, what's your impressions?

Looks like Equinox competition.

The main thing with a drag coil is that it is very useful for covering a large open area that is a "virgin patch" area to see if there is gold in it. Then to find the majority of the gold you have to grid/chain the area with a normal/small coil and then a large hand held coil in the deeper ground as the depth of the smaller coil targets get deeper. Just think how many of your nuggets would of been detected with a 25+ inch coil if you did not know they were there, however very deep larger nuggets would be missed with a small coil. I would of been lucky if I used a very large coil more than 1% of the time. So the best spots to use a drag coil is in large clear non flogged/known locations, I hope this lets you know what you are getting into.

Hi Aureous and @Reg Wilson . I am hearing you and trust me, if I had the option it would be definitely be mounted behind a vehicle. Unfortunately it just isn't an option. My wife and kids have zero interest in this hobby and therefore gold finds have to fund the next purchase and adventure and gold finds this year were slimmer than last! When we lived in Arnhem Land and I bought a $45,000 bought that was not an issue in the slightest because everyone got use out of that 😉 So, I either give up on the idea altogether or I push ahead, try to be a bit inventive and work with what I have been provided. For better or worse I am a stupidly optimistic bugger so will plow ahead - nothing ventured, nothing gained, right? 😁 Great point Reg and probably almost more of the point of making the coil. We wasted so much time trying to extend patches on our recent trip (to no avail) where that time could have been used elsewhere if we could have gridded quicker. I'm wondering if you could please expand on this Reg? A P.A. member has contacted me privately and provided some great info but has pretty much said that AI coils are the way to go to decrease EMI and ground noise/salt signal as much as possible, and then settings can be ramped up a little. Now, I don't know either way but my small brain has me sitting on the fence because: - re: EMI. With no tow vehicle and mostly remote W.A. locations I am hoping EMI would not affect a mono to any great degree. - re: ground noise/salt signal. I know the 17" coil on the GPX6000 struggled at times this year and last year due to salt signal whereas the 11" fared much better. It has me thinking that a 50" mono is just going to be a nightmare in W.A. Or are you using the myriad of settings on the older GPX's to get the mono usable? Cheers, N.E.

Nothing I wrote is attacking Whites. The detectors I own now should not make anyone feel like my detector is better than theirs. On the contrary, their ground detecting conditions are a lot better than mine. If I lived and detected a lot somewhere else I might still use an MXT, MX5, MX7 or DFX. They are fine detectors which I truly like a lot. They just aren't the right detector for where I detect most often, simple as that. That is why I answered yes....it was time for me to move on from Whites. Other people may not want to or unlike me, need to. I still have my Garrett/Whites 24K because it is a fine prospecting detector and because it scratches my itch to own and use a Whites and Garrett detector that's made in the USA all rolled into one.

Nice button. Right around 1820, give or take.

Minelab has always been a difficult company for distributors and dealers to work with and no matter how good their products are they might want to stop and listen instead of dictating. JMO.