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Recovering from a record breaking Winter of Snow, now we are suffering from near daily Rains. My Theory is there is so much moisture in the Sierra’s coupled with warm Spring days turns it into afternoon Thunder Storms. Anyway a person addicted to our hobby has to get out and search for their fix. This story is about my 3rd trip and just like the first two trips knowing that the ground was subpar for detecting…but, it’s the hunt and hunt we must! Met my Pard Lucky Larry out of Elko, NV we quickly hoped into my RZR and hit the trail. Notice I didn’t say Dusty Trail. We hit several old haunts with limited results at each. We ended up hunting some new ground, I dropped Larry off on one side of the hill and I drove over it to hunt the other side. Hour later, I went back to my RZR to pick up Larry and my trusty machine would not start! During the over a mile hike back to my truck, I figured it was my Fuel Pump…of course no Shade Trees out in the high Desert to confirm my diagnosis. Lucky I have a winch on my RZR as we would have never got her loaded up, didn’t bother trying to crank it before loading as I knew I’d need every bit of my battery to load it. It rained on and off as we drove back to camp and continued thru the night. Next morning we drove to a nearby patch and pulled a few more dinks before I loaded up and left with rain drops just starting to fall. Back home with my newly Amazon delivered fuel pump, I hoped in the bed of my truck where I left my RZR. Let’s see if the battery recharged itself, the sucker cranks up! I unload it and take it for a ride in the back 40. Cranked every time I turned it off too! Still no shade trees, but in my garage I thought maybe it was Vapor Locked? I read up on it and it’s not uncommon…so if you see my little Red RZR way out in no-man’s land laying in a puddle of oil, know I shed a tear! It’s Memorial Day and according to Weather report 3 more days of afternoon thunder storms. Rye Patch area will need a few dry days to get the ground settled down to hear them dinks, but there is always some shallow ducks to get your coil over until better conditions arrive! Here’s our loot for the day and a half trip…yes, my poke is on the left. Both Larry and I used the 10x5 Coiltek on our 6000’s…great coil. Until the next hunt! LuckyLundy

Chris and I spent a few days poking around a portion of then perimeter of the second largest known US meteorite crater. (Beaverhead Impact Crater) On the way back to camp one afternoon, we saw a sign for Malm Gulch about 9 miles west of Challis, Idaho. Malm is famous among geos' for its ancient petrified Sequoia stumps, which can be as much as 8' in diameter. The elevation is about 5,600', and the temp was about 75, so I knew the snakes might be out. I was alittle worried about Heidi, but we hiked on in the 1 1/2 miles. As I turned into the4 final small dry gulch, there was a knee-high shelf in the wash, and as my eyes rose up there was a small pile of rattlesnakes, At first, I thought it was one really large snake, but as I looked, I realized it was two snakes. I assume they were mating, as there was one male and one female. The female got quickly hostile, and never did calm down. The male never budged, or rattle...maybe post-coital bliss, or fatigue...LOL. Thank God Heidi was not out in front as she usually is, and Chris was able to get her corraled. We decided to beat feet back to the rig. I could get by the snakes, but we were obviously near a den area, and I didn't want to risk Heidi being bitten by a snake we didn't see. You guys be careful out there. The male snake is on the right. Jim

Update: Hunt # 2 with V1.1 So rather than start a new thread I decided to just show the results from my short 2nd hunt with V1.1 yesterday. This was about a 2 1/2 hour hunt at an older park that one of my detecting buddies told me had been hammered hard since the 70s and lots of old silver coins came out of there. I was hoping there might still be one hidden there, so I made a quick run before the afternoon rainstorm came in. This very small park is well manicured and clean as a whistle. There was no surface trash and the daily rain has made the grass about 3-4 inches high and the ground is damp. I ran V1.1 in the same config as the first hunt a couple of days ago, Fast, Disc 6.8, Notch 7-30, Full Tones, High Sqr, Sensitivity 95, Reactivity 1.5, Silencer and B.Caps 0, Iron Vol 7, Audio Response 4, FE TID on, Audio Filter 0. There were almost no signals anywhere except for occasional deep iron grunts. I played with lowering my Reactivity to 0 but there just weren't any signals. I figure that place still gets detected pretty often. When I got near a grove of trees I started geting the familiar ring pulls and pull tabs, but I was able to call each one before I dug and also the few bits of canslaw I dug by also checking them with Deus Mono in the XY screen. That was dead on for every bit of trash with squiggly lines and wildly jumping numbers. The only bits that fooled me were the broken off beaver tails which rang up and sounded very much like nickels. However, one signal I thought was another beaver tail ended up being a 6 inch deep 1964 nickel. There was still minimal iron falsing and most was really easy to tell with a 90 degree turn on the signal and also by the iron tone being right with the false. I was also able to trace the end of the iron object with the pinpoint mode and if the high number was at the edge it was obviously iron. The big rusty nail I dug was about 7-8 inches deep, oriented with the head up, and threw an occasional 90-91. It was very iffy but I had to check it out. The iron washer was also deep and just gave an iron tone but sounded round so I dug it partly because there were so few good targets. As I was heading back across the open area to my car I got a solid 80 which I thought might be a bottle cap, but just sounded too good for that and it was a foreign coin of some type. I haven't figured out where it's from yet, so if anyone knows, please let me know. About 10 feet from there, I got pretty solid 76-78. It was just a little too solid sounding to be a ring pull so I popped it up and out comes a .925 silver cross pendant. Woohoo, silver # 11 for the year. I've found 6 pieces of silver since January before the update. I've found 5 pieces of silver since the V1.0 update (3 with V1.0 and 2 with V1.1) so far this month. I only found 15 pieces of silver last year with the D2. That may not mean anything, but then again, it might. 😏

Recently dug these buttons a few weeks ago and thought that I would post them on the 4th of July but Memorial Day works as well.The Deus 1 with the elliptical coil running at 74 KHz in a pitch program was able sniff them out of some serious square nail and other iron pollution and the ungodly amount of weeds.The small half dime sized button is listed in the Warren K.Tice book as a Union Patriotic Button and the larger one is a California state seal/militia type that I am guessing is post civil war era? Tinned Iron Back This One Was A Little Difficult To Get The Details On The Script On The Topside Says Eureka Now I Need To Clean Them Up There Is A Lot Of Gilt So Lemon Juice?

But I’ll take it. I was hunting at a Civil War union camp. Located the nail beds of two more camp buildings (found four so far) and one Civil War era residence. The camp buildings were a little further over than I expected based on the old map. I was running a V1.1 modified fast square and had to bump recovery speed to around 2+ due to the nails. The EMI at parts of this site is bad enough such that the best offset and sensitivity in the low 80s still results in warbly signals. Came across a relatively good nickel signal near the side of one of the nail patches. Around 4 to 5 inches down, up pops a dirt covered disc with silver highlights - a 1945 P war nickel! Not the war I was looking for, but I’ll take it! The wrench is also not the desired time period. But I kept getting a consistent localized 70s reading surrounded with iron grunts. I’m still relatively new to the D2. But one thing I’ve learned in the last couple outings - if I’m getting a consistent signal but can’t pinpoint as there is a large metal target underneath or multiple metal targets in the vicinity that pull the pin point off to the side of the “good” signal, then I locate as best as possible based on the signal and then leave it to the MI6 to pick it up as I dig. That has resulted in several coins. This time I got a wrench thrown in my plans. 🤪 I think the residence has been pretty well hunted. The only signals I was pulling from the nails there were 60s and 70s – can slaw, along with new and beavertail pulltabs and flaps. The small motor brass (?) gasket and lead strip were there.

Hi, To stay simple, Frequency addition means that you take every response of a target from the different frequency the D2 use, you average all the results and you convert to a sound. so for example, you take a little piece of aluminium that can't be taken by far with low frequency and you take a very high conductor that have a scratchy sound with high frequency, with a program who have frequency addition, you can have a good signal on both target because you use the response of all the frequency range between high frequencies and low frequencies. For the conductive ground substraction, you do the same but because you use multi simultaneous frencies, you can compare every signals and you can identify the signature of the conductive ground and you can litteraly substract it from the final audio signal. the salt sens can widen or narrow the window of this substraction. the big difference between ground substraction and notching is that with notching, you detector see the notched target but it cut the sound so there is a masking effect. With the substraction, it's like pure magic, the conductive soil is wiped out so your detector can pass trough and even if you have a little target witch will normally be masked, here you can see it clearly like in an air test 🙂 all these explanations is my way of seeing from the explanations I received from R&D XP team.

Reminds Me of an old girlfriend....

Yes, it's the case 👍 For your second question, about silencer, when XP said "With settings below 2, it improve performance on mineralized ground." in the manual, it's because with silencer at 0, the algorithm can analyse the ground area to "recover" some targets. So if you want the most "neutral" position of the silencer, it could be found at 1.

Just check the user's manual ! 😉 it has been updated since the release of the V1.0. https://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/uploads/files/document/gb-rc-deusii.pdf Page 33

I think it's good housekeeping to always update the headphones whenever the RC has been updated. Also it's good to get into the habit of turning the unused RC volumes down after the update. This will significantly improve your battery life.

I really enjoyed reading that review. Great skills, thanks for sharing 🤝

Not the kind you want to find. Nowadays you can find anything and everything at the beach. I’m glad I wear gloves during my hunts. Stay safe and protected out there. HH

To help us give you sound advice it would be good to know your detecting objectives, if known. For example: Do you primarily detect for coins, jewelry, relics, meteorites or natural gold or a combination of these? What typical environments do you detect in: parks, farm fields, woods, tot lots, ball fields, cellar holes, salt beaches, or freshwater lakes and rivers? Soil types: Sandy, rocky, or clay. Mild soil, black sand, or ferrous mineralization? Trash and target density: Lots of aluminum, nails, bottle caps, and/or big iron? To get you started: The Orx is primarily designed for detecting natural gold and has very limited, but usable “coin” settings. It probably lags the Xterra Pro at salt beach performance but both are probably outperformed there by a multifrequency detector like the Legend. The Orx is super lightweight primarily facilitated by it’s all wireless design. But that feature also limits its ability to operate with its coil submerged in water, necessitating use of additional antenna wire claptrap. The xTerra on the other hand is fully submersible, including it’s control box. Finally, the xTerra has more tone customization options than Orx, including the ability to adjust tone breaks. Overall, xTerra Pro is more versatile and affordable than the Orx by virtue of its design and plentiful selection of accessory coils, but the Orx has it beat at micro target sensitivity because of its ability to operate a higher frequencies than the xTerra. The main knock against xTerra that I’ve heard is target ID stability. If the Orx is within your price range, and depending on your detecting objectives, I would give serious consideration to picking up a value-priced Simultaneous Multi-Frequency detector such as the Legend, which has even more capability and performance than either Orx and Xterra Pro. But if you are on a budget, the Xterra a is a capable and versatile value detector. Edit: OK - Looked at your previous posts and I see you already own the Orx and have experience with the Legend and Whites MXT so I probably wasted your time with information you probably already know. Providing a little additional context when you ask such an open ended question would be helpful. In the absence of that, I am going to start at square one.

Last night after work I went to the beach with my Terra Pro to search the dry beach. My beaches are fairly trashy and full of all types of metals and targets. The machine worked well and I don't have anything to report on water use. It found me as much as I think any other machine would have found me if i used another machine. I found its first Silver ring and a junk ring, 1 small foreign coin and £9.33p in spendable coins. If there is anything at all that i can criticize it would be the inability to knock out crown caps. (The one in the picture) They constantly come in at a high number and as the Terra and the 900 and the Manticore by the looks of it aren't the most stable on numbers , it would be an absolute dream come true if Minelab would just do something about that one thing. Then the new Terra will turn into a proper Terra'ist of beach detecting. My next hunt will be in the week if i can but not so sure which machine to use. 800 , Legend or the Terra again ? I think without looking the tides are a bit longer then. Could do with the sand showing.

I am a long-time big fan of the Fisher F19, Gold Bug Pro, Teknetics G2+ line of detectors. I have never used the clone of those detectors that you have. I have owned simultaneously a Fisher F19/Teknetics G2+ and the Legend. If I set my Legend on 20 kHz, one of its 5 selectable single frequency settings, and use its 3 tone Park or Field modes, I will get very similar performance as the F19/G2+ using its 3 tone discrimination mode. I still have four other selectable single frequency settings and three other multi frequency settings to choose from in those two modes however. I can put the Legend it its Park and Field modes or its Prospecting mode using Pitch tones set on 20 kHz and it will simply out perform the F19/G2+ where I detect. That performance difference gets even bigger using the other selectable single frequencies or especially the simultaneous multi frequency settings. As BigTim said and I know this from experience, the Legend using its Beach modes far outperforms an F19/G2+ on saltwater dry sand, wet sand and of course submerged since it is fully waterproof.

I had one of the fisher gold bug clones before. It is similar to the clone you have of the g2. Yes, the legend is a better metal detector. It is better made, the screen is nice and you have many more settings to adjust. It handles emi better and it is a very smooth and quiet running unit. It will do better at the beach too for you being a multi frequency unit. So what all do you have to do to get a permit for metal detecting inland and how much will it cost you? Why do you have to wait so long before you get the permit?

That Ring Even Has A letter M Engraved on It.... That's A Perfect Advertising Plug If I Ever Saw One... Great Finds...

Thanks for the reminder about turning unused audio to zero! I remembered to do that when I updated to 1.0, but had forgotten when I updated to 1.1.

Simon, we weren't really looking for meteorites. Just looking for indications of gold. The crater is enormous...some Geo's claim 100 miles across, but most say about 40. The Great Basin is the only one bigger in the US. There is very little evidence of it remaining. Only a Geo would recognize the indicators. It was discovered about 30 years ago. The center is about 8 miles west of where we camped off US 93. All that said, I'd really like to find a fragment of it. We did locate an old placer location that had Lead, silver, gold, and barite/barium. We'll be going exploring in the canyon above that later this year, hopefully. Jim

On the beach yes. But inland no. You need to get all the necessary permissions for it. Ask local police before each move to avoid trouble. I have friends in Morroco. Where are you going? Agadir?

Since looking at it again, it looks like it has felt on the bottom of it. Should that be the case it is more likely that it is a pawn from a chess board.

You gotta dig a few of those before you start trusting what the machine is telling you, don't you? Been there, done that on my beaches. BUT, even if it is red lining in one direction, if the TONE you're hearing is screaming GOOD target.....I dig. (thank you prospector audio theme) Most of the time it is iron, but every once in a while, it is iron near a good target. This is when you recover something the competition didn't dig! 😁

Is that an Easter egg ?

Thank you! Machine was obviously ground balanced but when I’m on the field I always forget to do things...like to test the other program I had set for myself and audio filter vs iron. Next time I’ll do other tests but I hope I’ll use an action cam, not the mobile phone. Anyway I’m still happy with the result..

I bet to some it's golden.

I use the stock coil, it's perfectly fine and works great, very sensitive too but the little 6" is just more sensitive and for me that's a big deal because I primarily live in an area with very small gold.

......That piece came out at the doors of my house, first day; just taken out of the box. I live on the seashore and that area has been detected for years too! It was deep, about 10' inches, but it's not so much deep?! ...No ??? Take a good look at the photos, it's broken at the bottom...It was a weak signal, forget about the ID, but I could hear that clean tone in the background that I adore. Among all those familiar iron growls. Curious. And for the price of a coil. Master play!! 😎

CTX 3030 on gold nuggets Hi guys I have had the CTX since it was released. However I did not purchase it for the same reasons as most others bought it for, I bought it primarily to look for larger gold in areas that have a high trash density where non discriminating detectors like the GPX will drive you nuts digging junk. It has the best discrimination and target separation of any detector I have used this far, particularly if the trash is iron. That is why I use it for this job if the trash density is low I just swap back to a gold detector and would never waist my time using it in low trash areas for gold nuggets. To give you an idea of what I am talking about with trash density’s and to establish an understanding I will break them into 4 groups. 1- Very low trash= up to 10 targets in a 5mx5m area. This area I would use a gold detector like the GPX in. 2- Low trash 10 to 25 targets in a 5mx5m area. This area I would still use the gold detector in if it is worthwhile. But if the gold density is low I will start to use the discriminating detector. 3- Med trash= 25 to 50 targets in a 5mx5m area. I am definitely reaching for the discriminating detector now unless there is a high gold density. 4- High trash 50+ targets in a 5mx5m area. Discriminating detector only! any other is a waist of time. Ok now that I have established a base line of trash density’s we can get to the nitty gritty, I will go through the settings that have an effect on gold field performance one by one and explain how I use them, or play them against each other to squeeze the best performance out of the CTX that I can for my given situation. Target trace; I turned it on and would never turn it off as it is very useful in helping to identify a target or multiple targets under the coil and I am yet to find a reason to turn it back off. Why this key feature was not on by default is anyone’s guess. Target trace pinpoint; I turned this on and never turned it off ether, as it greatly assists in pinpointing particularly if there are multiple targets under the coil, by using this feature you can pinpoint only the desired target most times. Threshold Pitch; I run it at 13 but everybody is different all you are after is a threshold pitch that is comfortable for you to listen to all day. Threshold level; set up threshold so that it is soft but clearly audible, the manual covers this in detail. Volume Gain; now this is a important one, I mostly just have it at max=30 but if you are getting spurious noises like those faint blipping noises that you can sometimes get in mineralized ground you can wind this back to cancel them out with less loss of depth than turning back the sensitivity, however it has its limitations in this regard. It is basically an audio amplifier that amplifies the target signal. Sensitivity; Obviously you want to keep this as high as possible, but in the gold fields the ground usually contains various minerals and because the CTX is a multiple frequency detector ‘Auto’ sensitivity is more effective in these conditions, because the processor individually adjusts each of them to their optimum setting. Where as in manual you can only adjust them all to the same setting which means that if one is effected by mineralization or emi and becomes noisy, you have to turn them all down to the level where the noise stops in that frequency and you are effectively choking the rest to quieten the detector. So this is why Auto is the best option on the CTX in gold field areas. I can usually run Auto +3 but I turn it down if I am getting a lot of spurious ground noise and I can’t use any of my other tricks to get rid of the noise. Response; My favored response is ‘Long’ but I also like ‘Normal’ as well. It depends on my anticipated target size and trash density as to which one I’ll use. In a medium to high trash area I prefer Long particularly if the gold size is 3g+ like in tailings oversize piles. I like normal for smaller gold and lower trash density. Recovery Fast; I nearly always have this on as it aids in target separation. And superior target separation is one of my main reasons for using the CTX Recovery Deep; I have this on if the trash density is low or medium particularly when using the smaller coils. Recovery deep improves the ID on deep targets and can improve the signal on deep targets marginally but it can cause spurious noise in some mineralized ground. So if it’s on and you are getting spurious noise recovery deep could be the cause so try turning it off before dropping the volume gain or sensitivity. Target Separation; The 2 best target separation modes for gold nuggets are ‘High Trash’ and ‘Ground Coin’, I use High Trash the most as most areas I target most with the CTX are med to high trash areas and High Trash is good at handling mineralization and still gives you very good target separation. In a area with low trash density that is mineralized I use Ground Coin but it dose not perform well in high a trash density as you will get some blending of targets. In a low to very low mineralization area ‘Ferrous Coin’ performs very good no matter the trash density, but is no good in mineralized areas as you will get blending of the ground and target, which makes the target ID go crazy and blending is a problem. Gold Hunting Discrimination and Audio Patterns. Below I have posted a few example modes that have a good base discrimination pattern and audio pattern to suit the situation that I use them in. 100’s of hours of work went into building each of them. When building your own pattern I recommend that you do what I did which is scan as many nuggets as you can get your hands on of various sizes. When I did this I scanned just over 1000 nuggets ranging from .2g to 32oz and I put the ones that show on the edge of my pattern aside and took them to a few locations and buried them in different mineralization to test and modify my mode’s, then I got my bucket of junk and scanned 1000’s of pieces of junk commonly found in the gold fields. Then I modified my modes again to cancel out most of the junk whilst still keeping most of the nugget area open. They are not perfect by any means but they have been pretty useful for me as a base but if I keep getting one type of junk in a specific area I will modify the discrimination to deal with it and save it as a new mode in my file. You might also notice that in all of my gold specific discrimination patterns that I have the top two lines rejected, this is because in mineralized ground the ground will give you a blipping signal always in these top two lines and rather than sacrificing performance by turning the sensitivity or audio settings down I dealt with this by blanking it out, buy doing it how I did I lost no depth due to having to back off the settings and no good target ever ID’s only in these lines. The audio patterns that are part of the mode also have a few tweaks that I have done for gold nugget specific reasons. If you look at the Audio profile in the exchange software you will notice that I have set the low Ferrous tone line very low down at the 32 ferrous line, I did this because I found that when using the discrimination pattern if the tone was set higher up at say 17 for example I would get some audio blanking or mixing on some good targets in very trashy areas. This is the main reason that most of my Gold nugget modes have ether a ‘2 Ferrous Tone’ or ‘Combined’ ‘Tone ID Profile’. But when set low at 32 ferrous line the separation was very good in a cluttered area. It is not that noticeable on larger 3g+ nuggets but on the smaller ones even on the smaller coils (6in and coiltek elliptical) if I had the ferrous audio line higher it would not separate the nugget from the trash as efficiently. That is why I mostly prefer the discrimination pattern over the open screen also. http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/files/file/4-gold-hound-ctx-gold-modes/ Coils My preferred coil for the CTX is the standard 11in coil because I mostly chase the bigger gold in the tailings oversize piles and old diggers camps. But in areas with predominantly smaller gold I put on the coiltek 11x5. I also did away with the skid plate on the ML 11in coil as it wears out in a matter of hours in gold field situations and I silicon-ed a piece of 3mm lexan plastic in its place. And after 2 years of heavy use it is still in good condition!

Howdy,New to the site, We live in outback N.S.W. .Australia.I have several minelabs, a CTX 3030, gp3000 extreme and equinox 800. I'm looking forward to learning as much as possible,and hopefully contributing some positive thoughts as well. cheers Jay.

Your explanation is now clear. Thank you. I downloaded the English version 1.0 manual when it was released and then downloaded the English version 1.1 manual today and printed the factory program default spec page for both manuals. The silencer settings for #3 Sensitive FT were different with 2 being the published default in v1.0 and 3 being the published default in v1.1. I did not check to see if that was actually the default settings using my Deus 2 remote.

I have dug several silver coins slightly above or below the center line that were not the perfectly round dot. Also there have been even more that are on the the center line that were also a small blob or smudge. When centered over the target these silver coins never had a consistent red line under the I.D. as I circled and hovered over the target. If the red line ever popped up under the I.D. on these it was not consistently there at all. I swear this has happened several times in places with older iron. The scenario goes something like this. You get a high tone blip during a swing and investigate. You get a good tone and number one way. You turn 90 degrees and it's gone. You the pivot back to the direction you initially heard the target, and now it is either gone completely or a very random blip of a high tone that is not remotely as consistent as it was when it first stopped you. These frustrate me as I feel I am wasting time. I have found the Manticore to have more of these disappearing ghost signals than the Equinox 800. It's AT-HC that produces these the most from what I have seen, but AT-HC to me is best at finding silver versus the other programs.

Nice hunt. Your "brass gasket" is a alarm clock frame.

Nothing like the ones you guys have down there...thank God.....LOL

Welcome to the forum and glad to have you here, good choice of detectors and hope to be seeing some of the history that you find. That area is beautiful with lots of history, and you never know what you may be digging up. Good luck and stay safe out there.

Hmmmmm....You must be hunting L.A beaches, Santa Monica?

Here is what the coins look like after 1 hour in the rock tumbler with steel shot.

I haven't even heard of people laying out burlap sacks directly in the river. Makes sense. I am sure it would work in my locations.

Just come back from the high mineralized area, I wanted to show that audio filter feature is really important to go deeper and have a better signal also in mineralized soils. I had a weak one way signal with audio filter 0 and a 100% better signal with audio filter 5. Very low conductive target in the bottom of a 9” hole.. Here is the video. Sorry for the low quality, used again the mobile phone but I have to buy an action cam..

Those are textbook symptoms of a monopoly, especially when shareholders are involved. In general, a monopoly results in planned obsolescence, price gouging, poor customer service, and denial of quality issues.

Wow, if you're going to find a button, that's the one you want to find. 👍 is it silver or silver wash, or Tombac? Buttons with animals on them were usually hunting jacket buttons. You mentioned a silver buckle, would like to have seen that. I have an underground power line in my yard, the Equinox goes nuts over it, but the D2 was pretty good. I say "was" because my new RV has built in cellular and wifi for remote control, and I've added 2 more cellular cameras. 🤣 Glad I strip mined it a long time ago.

I'm sure AI or even someones pet donkey could write a better top 10 best detector list than most of the ones I've seen on the Internet.

No, it would stick it in its mouth and take a selfie with it!

That sounds like a real interesting & fun opportunity. I had never even heard of cylindrical shot. That must be very early. About what diameter is it? Was it used in a fowling piece?

Good stuff HardNox! I really like that triangle a lot any quartz points or artifacts are super rare everywhere.The one piece picture button is very nice also, and wow a lead shot! I thought that was a grinding or hammer stone thanks for posting.

Is it silver at least? 🤣

Final day and it is raining cats and dogs so I think I am done for the week. Final totals: Pennies:68 Fishing weights: 18 Bullets: 4 Nickels: 12 Rings: 12 Shell casing: 1 Dimes: 46 Earrings: 5 Quarters: 34 Pendants: 8 Foreign coins: 7 Toe Ring: 1

It makes me think of this little gem: Business is like other relationships. You get in bed with somebody else thinking it will be great for both parties. But sometimes you find out it's just one person getting screwed, and the other doing the screwing. The final lesson being that just like with any relationship, outside observers rarely know which party is which.

In big business when beholden to shareholders, well, I think that anyone who thinks ethics and morality is job one has rose colored glasses. It's eat or be eaten, and if it's not outright illegal, it will generally get done if it means winning when others lose. Of course such things are not done in writing. They are done at night at a private dinner, or in other "he said she said" deniable ways. I've gone swimming with the sharks myself, and it is not pretty. People are best off not knowing sometimes how the sausage is made, or who is doing what to somebody else in the "boardroom bedroom." At the end of the day it is all just drama and will matter little in whether I find any gold nuggets next week or not.

Gerry, the 3 larger pieces of gold are, 1.9 and 1.3 grams, another 1.2, all others made up the balance.