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Hope y'all like this video. It was a miserable day of detecting. 🤣

I have to say, after a couple months running the Legend on the 1.11 updates, I am experiencing a much better target/trash ratio, and I'm seeing results on a variety of coil sizes. Use is mainly in parks and playgrounds, searching modern clad and whatever weird stuff might live in the ground. (Granted, some portion of this improvement has to do w/increasing my experience on the machine.) 2+ months in on the 1.11 update: Target/trash ratio <=1:3 (all coils) More like 1:10 before. Quarters are my new nickels Used to call myself Johnny Nickels, now I'm Quarter Johnny. (all coils) Silver ring Yep, but a bit crushed and in need of repair. (LG15 - Weird, but I've hit all of my ring finds on the small coil.) 1st $1+ 30 minute run + Sacagawea dollar Yeah, that was tonight ($1.51 total 🙂 ) with the LG35 on the Legend, Field M2, sweeping over an area previously worked on the 1.09 Legend and Nox 800 w/stock coils in Park settings. LG35 rang super-sweet on those good targets. I was shocked by the doller coin result -- I've never seen one in circulation around here, let alone in the ground. Oh yeah, should tag @bigtim1973 here!

Recently while detecting around some sizable rocks I got a pretty good hit that sounded like big iron which always gets me worked up at an early site.So anyway I dug this piece out which was jammed pretty well up underneath a large boulder.My imagination runs wild sometimes with these sort of things and my first thoughts were that it was probably the tip of a pike pole or perhaps even an oxen prod since I have found ox shoes nearby.It's six inches long with the first two and a half being hollow with the pin and the rest is solid and it's quite heavy.Anybody out there with any thoughts please feel free to chime in.I'm aware that it's just a piece of iron but I like it and it's a little out of place and like I said the site is very early. Like I said my imagination runs wild. So I remembered reading an article in the September/October 2018 issue of American Digger Magazine written by Charles Harris titled Deciphering Civil War Flagpole Brass that pictured an artifact very similar to the one that I dug.Granted the one that I lucked upon is made of iron but it could have been a replacement forged on site or elsewhere? Y'all will have to forgive me but I am possessed by this object.

Great find whatever it is, but my guess would be an early bazooka shell. I said that I didn't know what it is, so that's my guess and I'm sticking to it.

1st silver of the year, and I have been detecting since the snow was on the ground, its marked 925 LATH , It has a bit of tarnish on it from being in the grass for a wile, its not plated, I was running the Gold -1 program on the ORX and i got a solid 83-82 VDI , well the drought is over , maybe some Gold will come along to . It says on the pendant the words, Faith, Hope ,& love, my setting in Gold 1 where 84 gain, 14 khz, 2,5 speed, 2 IAR,

Recovering from a record breaking Winter of Snow, now we are suffering from near daily Rains. My Theory is there is so much moisture in the Sierra’s coupled with warm Spring days turns it into afternoon Thunder Storms. Anyway a person addicted to our hobby has to get out and search for their fix. This story is about my 3rd trip and just like the first two trips knowing that the ground was subpar for detecting…but, it’s the hunt and hunt we must! Met my Pard Lucky Larry out of Elko, NV we quickly hoped into my RZR and hit the trail. Notice I didn’t say Dusty Trail. We hit several old haunts with limited results at each. We ended up hunting some new ground, I dropped Larry off on one side of the hill and I drove over it to hunt the other side. Hour later, I went back to my RZR to pick up Larry and my trusty machine would not start! During the over a mile hike back to my truck, I figured it was my Fuel Pump…of course no Shade Trees out in the high Desert to confirm my diagnosis. Lucky I have a winch on my RZR as we would have never got her loaded up, didn’t bother trying to crank it before loading as I knew I’d need every bit of my battery to load it. It rained on and off as we drove back to camp and continued thru the night. Next morning we drove to a nearby patch and pulled a few more dinks before I loaded up and left with rain drops just starting to fall. Back home with my newly Amazon delivered fuel pump, I hoped in the bed of my truck where I left my RZR. Let’s see if the battery recharged itself, the sucker cranks up! I unload it and take it for a ride in the back 40. Cranked every time I turned it off too! Still no shade trees, but in my garage I thought maybe it was Vapor Locked? I read up on it and it’s not uncommon…so if you see my little Red RZR way out in no-man’s land laying in a puddle of oil, know I shed a tear! It’s Memorial Day and according to Weather report 3 more days of afternoon thunder storms. Rye Patch area will need a few dry days to get the ground settled down to hear them dinks, but there is always some shallow ducks to get your coil over until better conditions arrive! Here’s our loot for the day and a half trip…yes, my poke is on the left. Both Larry and I used the 10x5 Coiltek on our 6000’s…great coil. Until the next hunt! LuckyLundy

What's most concerning about the video, is the comments. Many were saying things akin to, "Thanks for pointing out the problem with the Manticore", or "I was going to buy a Manticore, and now I'm not". It gets my ire when newbies are being misled by erroneous information and half truths.

I’ve watched both videos bashing the manticore, while I generally enjoy his videos he’s starting to lose his credibility. I’ve noticed that in the beginning of his videos he’s pushing people to give him likes. Likes increase revenue and having click bait titles increases traffic. my first thought when he was using all terrain was of corse it’s going to miss low number gold, that’s what happens when you notch out low numbers.

Yesterday I found 15 cents in change, and today I found 3.50$+ in change, No rings this time , but found one good heavy piece of copper wire, happy with the finds.

I like the green pull tab it really stands out

Yes. One of each.. 😂 D4G

Possibly a guidon stake.

Well I took out the lg24 coil today myself....just in the back yard. Found a Canadian nickle of all things and possibly a civil war bullet that had hit a very hard item. I find it to be a very good unit. I like it alot.....and alit more than I thought I would actually. I keep mine set up pretty simple....field, full tones, m2 or m1 and adjust the disc to accept everything then adjust the recovery speed to suite the site. Just ground balance and take off. I must admit though I have not found anything particularly deep just yet but that will come with time. It is so robust and well built that I do not worry about like I do with some others I am glad to see you are having success as well!! It motivates us to get off of our rump and go swing!!

Notwithstanding Steve's having told me years ago that alluvial gold in Greenland is probably scarce due to glacial activity...I keep look around to find encouragement. Google's new Bard, AI assisted search engine is fun to play with, so I had some fun just now. So I asked.. is there any notice in the last 3 years of finds of alluvial gold in greenland Yes, there have been a few reports of alluvial gold finds in Greenland in the last 3 years. In 2020, a team of prospectors from Canada discovered a large deposit of gold in the Kangerlussuaq region. The deposit is estimated to contain over 100,000 ounces of gold, and it is the largest gold find in Greenland in over 50 years. In 2021, another team of prospectors discovered a smaller deposit of gold in the Isortoq region. This deposit is estimated to contain over 10,000 ounces of gold. These discoveries have renewed interest in gold mining in Greenland, and several companies are now exploring the possibility of developing these deposits. Here are some of the details of the recent gold finds in Greenland: 2020: A team of prospectors from Canada discovered a large deposit of gold in the Kangerlussuaq region. The deposit is estimated to contain over 100,000 ounces of gold, and it is the largest gold find in Greenland in over 50 years. The discovery was made by a team of prospectors from the company True North Gems. The team was using a helicopter to explore the Kangerlussuaq region when they spotted a large area of bedrock that was exposed by erosion. The team landed and collected samples from the bedrock, which were later assayed and found to contain high levels of gold. 2021: Another team of prospectors discovered a smaller deposit of gold in the Isortoq region. This deposit is estimated to contain over 10,000 ounces of gold. The discovery was made by a team of prospectors from the company Veritas Gold. The team was using a ground-based exploration method called induced polarization (IP) to search for gold when they identified a strong IP anomaly in the Isortoq region. The team then drilled a series of test holes, which confirmed the presence of gold in the area. These discoveries have renewed interest in gold mining in Greenland. Several companies are now exploring the possibility of developing these deposits. However, it is important to note that these discoveries are still in the early stages, and it is not yet clear if they will be commercially viable.

The good news is, that you are now ~ $3.50 richer, and that you are loved ! 😍

Today was the last day I could get out before a week long relic hunting and possibly water hunting trip. It's been raining since Saturday night on and off, windy and in the 60s so I didn't expect to find much at the beach I went to. I recently updated the D2 to V1.1, did some air tests to create a new beach program. Used Beach Sensitive, disc at 10, no notch, no Silencer, Bottle Caps ended up at 5. High Square Full Tones audio. Gotta say I really thought XP had got the iron falsing under control with my air tests, even aluminum makes a distinct "brassy" sound with this program. However, all that glitters is not gold. 🤣 This beach is rough, at one end there is a motel and the beach is almost all pebbles, you cannot go barefoot or wear sandals if you have old feet. 😀 In the middle it's a mix of sand and pebbles in bands, and the other end it's a mix of sand and red clay. Ground balance varies from 79 to 95 depending on where you are. Got here early hoping at least someone braved the weather and came to the beach, it looks like some did and I was the first to hit it. 3 other people showed up later and complained they weren't finding anything, I sort of had to bite my tongue. 😏 Iron did false until I changed bottle caps a bit, there is quite a bit of junk in the sand. Pushing disc to 10 helped a little, I'm glad they fixed the audio. With disc at 10 most iron will disappear. (Thanks Andy!) Most pull tabs have that brassy sound, I dug a few to prove it. I think one was in the 70s so I dug it anyway. That one fooled me. I was getting coins here and there, they jumped out sharply with very close IDs. Managed to get at least one of every US denomination, and a nice 1945 wheat. That was a great sign. On the pebble beach I got a 47 and found this tiny ring, I doubt it's anything good but it was a solid tone and ID. It was just in the surf, and pretty deep. Next one was this bling ring, a hard 85. Looks like it's been there a while. My best ring today was this tungsten carbide and malachite ring that my wife took immediately, it was a 54: About $15-$30 on Amazon. 3 Keys Jewelry. Here's the total take: And the trash: The doll swims if you tighten the innerspring by spinning the arms. 😀 Second small doll I've found there and second pair of tweezers. 😵 It was interesting to see the difference between air testing and real world, never done it before. Think I'll stick with real world.

Good to see you getting some results already, once you get some miles on it you'll get to really know the coil and how it works, the Concentrics often give sharper tones than other coils on small gold and remember always use your scoop near the middle of the coil when recovering small targets, not near the outside 1/3. Now you've joined the 6000 owners but in a different way, they're going around finding the small bits the GPZ owners missed, you are doing that now too, without having to buy a 6000, that's why I suggested perhaps just get a Concentric coil rather than fork out the money for a 6000, a coils a fair bit cheaper and seeing you already had an adapter it makes sense. The advantage you have over the 6000 owners is depth so that may end up being the real benefit over time with any luck if there is a bigger deep lurker and you don't have to feel like you're missing out on the smaller crumbs like you would with the stock coil or Z-search as you should get a bulk of them too. The 6000 will still do better on some targets, and the Concentric will do better on some targets over the 6000, there is always give and take but I think you'll end up pretty happy with your choice.

Theres a gardening channel on you tube that I've subscribed to years ago..Usually has some good stuff..lately he's been doing ufo crap...It generates 10 times the hits 10 times faster that the gardening stuff does....I've unsubscribed to the channel. The Metal detecting New York city channel is not on my subscription list either. strick

Start of another nice patch of small tiny nugglets with the new 6000, seems to be going good, but have not tried the Axiom cheers dave

You are right, best way to compare them.

Yes, it is a very good machine and so easy to run well. The LG35 coil is excellent & I use it quite a bit, even in moderate trash.

Wonders of AI...notice how it mentions NOTHING about actual alluvial gold.. so, I tried again... that's very interesting, but that seems to be "lode" gold, gold in rock. I am asking about alluvial gold...free gold deposited by action of water or ice I apologize for the confusion. Yes, the recent gold finds in Greenland are lode gold, not alluvial gold. Alluvial gold is much rarer than lode gold, and it is also much more difficult to find. Alluvial gold is typically found in stream beds and river beds, where it has been deposited by the action of water or ice. It is also sometimes found in beaches and other areas where there has been a lot of erosion. There have been a few reports of alluvial gold finds in Greenland in the past, but none of these finds have been large enough to be commercially viable. However, there is still potential for finding alluvial gold in Greenland, and several companies are currently exploring the possibility of doing so. Here are some of the areas in Greenland that are considered to be prospective for alluvial gold: The Nanortalik gold belt The Isortoq gold belt The Kangerlussuaq gold belt The Julianehåb gold belt The Upernavik gold belt These areas are all located in the southwestern part of Greenland, which is the region where most of the gold exploration activity has been taking place. However, it is important to note that alluvial gold can be found anywhere in Greenland, so it is possible that new discoveries could be made in other parts of the country. If you are interested in prospecting for alluvial gold in Greenland, you should be aware that it is a very challenging activity. The weather can be very harsh, and the terrain can be very rugged. You will also need to be very experienced in prospecting techniques. If you are not experienced, it is best to hire a guide or join a prospecting group. Google it

June 13 2002 It was another peaceful night on the claim. The only movement I heard was a black bear who had ventured near camp and circled us a few times until Jacob let loose with the Thompson to scare the critter away. It no doubt smelled the remnants of our supper but was too timid to come all the way into camp. We got to work early and tried to send as many yards through the tom as possible before the heat came on. And come on it did. With a vengeance. By noon it was over 90 degrees and we took a short break for lunch. This time I gave in to my yearnings and had a cold beer as did the rest of the crew including Jacob and man, did it taste good. Jacob had the gold cleanup done and we drank out beers and looked at the pan of gold. All 11 ounces of it. And from only 35 yards of gravel. It was unbelievable but it was real gold. I even asked Jacob if he was tricking us and he just laughed and said to enjoy the view. We got back to shoveling gravel and worked until dark. I didn’t have any sweat left in my body and had drank gallons of water. The entire crew was shot to all heck but we had processed 44 yards of pay gravel. We were all pretty damn proud of ourselves as we sat down to supper. We were becoming a rough and tough crew like the old timers. TO BE CONTINUED ...................

If a person had neither and was serious about nugget detecting, money no object, I'd lean GPX 6000 with aftermarket coils. If they want the detector for additional uses other than nugget detecting and/or budget is an issue, I'd lean Axiom.

I watched the video before it was taken down, and the whole thing was facepalm worthy. For example: 1) He uses a mode that the engineers, for good reason, designed to discriminate out those targets, then complains that the mode can't hit those targets (Whaa??). He calls it a "problem", instead of changing the mode / settings to hit the targets he desires. 2) He talks about how the Legend used to have the same problem. The "problem" lol, was about the Legend's Park mode discriminating out the 11 ID when in Park mode. It was designed to do that because 11 on the Legend is one ID above the ferrous range, and 11 on the Legend is almost always small foil. So, if the engineers didn't discriminate out 11, then just as many people would be complaining that the Legend hits on too much small foil. In other words, metal detector engineers are often in a no win situation when it comes to the defualt settings they decide to use. However, just like the Manti or any other feature rich detector: Just change the damn settings and/or mode to what you want to hit! It's not a "problem" and it's not that freakin hard! 3) He goes on about the Manti as if it has some sort of miraculous bottle cap rejection (another Whaa??). Bottle cap rejection is simple coding for the engineers, because it's just simple discrimination. The hard part of BCR for the engineers, is having to decide how aggressive to make it. For example, do they reject just steel caps, or aluminum caps as well? Either way, the engineers are again in a no win situation, because whatever option they choose, people would complain that the BCR is too weak or too strong. If someone owns one of these detectors, they should know that they can eliminate most caps without using a BCR feature, by using other settings. But, the more caps they discriminate out, the more good targets are missed. #2 and #4 seems to be him trying to justify and placate his ludicrous assertions. Given his past annoyance of not getting enough traffic to his site, and complaining that the controversial sites were getting all the hits, then it seems to me that the video was click bait to generate site traffic. Especially when you consider that he used the erroneous, overly dramatic, and fear mongering video title of, "The Manticore misses A LOT of gold".

Simon, You have described your experiences well. It's as if you are a fortune teller. Now I have gone to the same general area but a different spot that still holds a lot of trash. My settings have been refined between the volume of the detector and the SP01 and it really makes a difference to my ears. I was out on an overnight trip. The first day I found one little nugget, the largest at .22g and then the next day I found 3 more for the total of around .7g. Some of these pieces were just as you described, small and deep with one getting near 5 inches. None of them were surface nuggets. I did go back to the previous location and it seems that even with the dumbed down settings I've gotten it all there. This new location is quite different even tho it is near. It has had much more digging activity and other trash has been added and it is still left. You had to 'pick and choose' what to dig. It's a club claim and we also didn't want to spend so much time on it that we took it all. My total hunting time for the two days was about 4-5 hours. Two other detectorists had lesser results than mine. What I was able to do was 'hear the gold!' I didn't dig everything after a time. There were some targets that had a 'sharpness' to them that didn't say 'dig me.' And I can clearly remember each of the 3 targets on the second day with their nice mellow sound. After a scrape with the pick or a boot scrape you knew it was the sound you were looking for. That didn't mean it was going to be a quick recovery. Once the dirt gets moving then it becomes difficult to focus, scoop and recover. I'm a bit of an impatient scooper. I've had to change my style so I don't scoop, wave and throw out the target and have to re-scoop. Anyway, that is my story now, but the bottom line is that there is more gold at this new place than the other places nearby. Thanks for the videos, tips and advice on this coil. I wouldn't have it without you. The .22g first day nugget. The .11g 1st nugget of second day that took me 15 minutes to scoop. I thought it was smaller but it had the nice mellow sound we all like. I was on my way to take a break and 'show off' my tiny nugget and I got this flat .18g. And finally getting near stopping time for the day before we were off to do other stuff I got this .16g that said 'dig me!' It was down a bit over 4 inches.

My beach programs are always on Tracking. Works fine where I hunt but It's not universally true for each and every beach.

Is does not matter the machine. Equinox, Deus2 and Manticore. I run them ALL in automatic sensing Ground Balance at the beach.

Why not run auto-sensing Ground Balance? It is recommended in a salt environment anyway.

Is the river big enough to have been used for logging ? Poles with points like that were used to clear jams... might be one of those ?

The pin in the third photo make me think it is to hold a wooden pole/handle in your find. Very interesting piece.

I would say it depends on your needs, which is better in hot rocks for example. The Axiom also doesn't have any aftermarket coils on the market yet to determine if they provide anything to it like the aftermarket coils for the 6000 have. With time that will change. There is always the fact you might need the Axiom while you're waiting for your 6000 or it's coil at the service agent every few months.. 🙂

I think Steve summed it up nicely. You should have your answer, Mitchel. GC

With that kind of a shape, and given the weight, how about a plum bob?

Excellent pull tab to nickel ratio !

How about the tests, do you like it?... I am already preparing the 5mm. neoprene to start diving first hour in the morning. I have high hopes, in my case, on the beach; wonderfull.

That looks one solidly built shaft, I like the statement in the video "a detector is only as good as it's coil", so true and what a difference a good coil can make to a detector. Good to see a concentric coil on that too, many manufacturers have moved away from them or only offer them on their entry level machines for some odd reason.

I have screwed up and made technical specs mistakes on forums and I often apologize for them. I try to do the same when I mistreat someone because of a misunderstanding or because I am having a bad day and let it filter into what I write. Merrill and a few other YouTubers have made basic technical mistakes in their videos. Whether they do it on purpose, accidentally or out of ignorance, for me it really doesn't matter. What does matter to me is how they handle it when people actually call them out for their blunders/bloopers/deliberately wrong information. My experience with trying to suggest that some of these YouTubers are giving out wrong information based on a technical mistake has generally not gone very well for me. Merrill stopped responding to my comments on his videos long ago and I have stopped watching them also.

I've been doing a little comparison testing lately between the new Garrett Axiom and the Minelab GPX 6000. My focus was on sensitivity to small gold, as most areas I hunt still have plenty of tiny nuggets left; if there are any large, deep pieces left, they’ll still be there for the next generation GPZ to unearth. This comparison is not scientific by any means, and was done just for my curiosity, but I've decided to share my methods and observations for anyone here that may be curious as well. So first up was comparing the Ax fitted with its 11”x7” mono coil to the GPX 6k with its stock 11” mono coil. Settings for the Ax were Fine Mode, Tone at 77 (which is the same pitch as the fixed threshold tone that the GPX 6k runs at), Audio 01, MS-3 wireless headphones wirelessly connected, Speed set to Slow, Volume 25, Threshold 15, Sensitivity 8 and Ground Track Off. And the 6k sensitivity set at Manual 10 (I typically always run on Auto+, but since there were high voltage power lines near this location, I didn't want the Auto sensitivity reducing itself to compensate), Volume at 1 bar and the Avantree Torus neck speakers wirelessly connected via the 6k's inbuilt bluetooth, and Normal selected for the ground type. For this test, I selected a small area that had been raked and detected in the past, most likely during the late 80's to early 90's era, with the VLF detectors of that time. My comparison method was simple: I slowly and carefully gridded the raked area with the 6k until it hit a target, then switched off, fired up the Ax and gridded the same area in the same direction that I just did with the 6k, until I reached the same target. After digging the target, the gridding would continue, this time with the Ax, until another target was encountered, then switched off, fired up the 6k and re gridded that same area, etc. The idea was to see if either machine would see (or not see) targets that the other could (or could not) see. After gridding the entire raked area in this manner, all targets found were detected by each machine, and there were no targets found by either that the other could not detect. All targets save one were small gold nuggets, the only exception being a weak magnetite hot rock. The only thing I wasn’t liking about the Axiom at this point was the sound quality of the signal through the MS-3 headphones; it was no where near as clean and crisp as the target signal from the 6k and Avantree Torus speakers. It was a little cleaner using the Ax's inbuilt speaker, but it was still not to my liking, so I sent for a small Bluetooth transmitter from Amazon that I could plug into the Ax's headphone port and receive the signal with the Avantree Torus Speaker (you’ll see it attached to the Ax in the photo below), and that did the trick. A friend generously sent me his Axiom 11”x7” DD coil to test on small gold, and this time I pitted it against the 6k outfitted with Coiltek's hot little 5”x10” Goldhawk coil: Same settings on each machine, except nowhere near power lines, so was able to run the 6k on Auto+ sensitivity. This time, I selected as the testing area a small dry wash gully that had some old dry-blow heaps (dry-washer piles to us yanks) up on the banks. Small nuggets can always be found by following the dry-washers, especially in their fine tailing piles. Though many targets were found, only one turned out to be the color we all look for; the rest were small bits of wire brush bristles, aluminum foil and some small pieces of bullet jacket shrapnel. As far as the comparison goes, it was the same story - each detector heard all targets, and none were missed by either. As I noted at the beginning of the post, the comparison between the two machines wasn’t scientific, in fact I didn't bother measuring target depths or weights of the nuggets found; it was mainly to see if the Ax can keep pace with the 6k on sensitivity to small gold, and it appears to me that it certainly can.

Rick I'm adding one of these to my side by side right now...I don't like worrying even though the only time I've ever got a dead battery was from it sitting and not on a tender. I also carry a small jump starter as well. https://www.dfna.info/product/utv-dual-battery-connect-monitor-kit/ strick

I've been told GPX coils won't work unfortunately, it's not to do with the plug end.

I'm just trying to generate some updated feedback. It would include field use by purchasers and point out the pluses and minuses I would hope.

Never thought about a tent stake JCR however flag pole butt cap was my third consideration.The only ones that I have personally seen or could find on the net are made of brass.

Possibly the tip off a early wooden version of a digging bar, sorta like these, especially the non-conductive version with a fiberglass handle.

Bottle caps are not created equal. Corona is the worst for fooling you. If you zeroed in on 5, you avoided some of those ferrous caps. It’s the aluminum ones that are a pain. I actually notch 0-10 since iron on our tourist beaches are always junk. On the treasure coast, I don’t notch anything. However, they have dumped 5-8 feet of new sand along the treasure coast!!! Redefines the term “buried treasure”. 🥴

It's odd there have been no replies to this! I have seen how the 6000 can work, and pretty good. I have the Axiom but haven't been out yet so can't say, hopefully by the end of next week I'll be able to report back.

Noriv - I'm totally content with you using zero DISC for those open areas. When I visited Au back in the 90's, I never once even thought of using DISC as the sites we hunted were as your mentioned and pretty much trash free. Sure there is the occasional surface target (usually trash), but nothing like I encounter here in the US as I mostly hunt previously worked gold bearing ground. And yes I agree, as we age with wisdom, we learn to conserve the amount of energy our body provides us each day and use it most wisely. No more spring chicken left. Thanks for chiming in. Gold Catcher - Yes for the average beginner Joe, I feel using DISC or Target ID features is not desired. Those folks have not learned the ropes yet and need to dig their share of holes. Heck, that's exactly why I don't mind having a group of newbies go swing an area before me. Just make sure they pack the trash out that they are digging. In the end it makes my job much easier when they remove the majority of trash. Yes, small gold and even bigger gold at depth will not register properly on all detectors. Each one built that has such features, there's a depth or ground conditions that all of them can be fooled. That's why when I'm at sites like Rye Patch and realize the gravy is gone, I'm more apt to use ZERO DISC. I usually won't chase those screamer surface targets out there either as 99% of the time, they are fresh bullets. Knowing when to be selective is very important. Thanks for adding. Andrew - I'm glad to see you chime in as I know your experience with a PI for relic hunting is near the tops. You have tested, compared and listened to enough targets to teach yourself the fine lines of PI's and how they respond. Heck, even your skill with many of the VLF's is tops. I've seen enough of your posts and videos to know you're one of the few who takes the time to go out and just compare/practice/train your ears. Using DISC in your head is very important and you do better than most. Jasong - Interesting quotes my friend. Being a WY guy who travels to many areas/states hunting gold, I think you/I are alike as we encounter many more options of gold bearing grounds. The rules to gold hunting? I honestly don't think there are rules to hunting gold, as there are to many variables for the ones who travel. That's part of the reason why some have success more often. But being able to adapt is a big part of it as well. Thanks for providing. Dirtman - The ear is a great tool. I just wish more newer customers relied on it and not the LCD screen on their detectors. Even advanced hunters such as yourself use Mind Discrimination and make a decision based on signal width, strength and site location. I noticed your profile does not give a location of you and it's hard to tell where you spend your hours swinging? Based of your comments and style of detecting, I'm willing to gestimate you usually don't hunt dredge tailings much? No worries, as many folks don't, just for the facts that not are around. Everyone has one.... I've seen that before. Alls good and thanks for input.

C'mon. George we are waiting for the low down! 😁

When you say jumpy, that can be a good thing, it could mean the machine is not locking on targets too aggressively. Once your onto a target try to isolate it and tighten up your passes over it. Also hit it in different angles. I do quite a bit of hunting with a Gold Racer that doesn't lock onto targets and this can be helpful when sniffing out targets that are mixed. I often find coin spills, pocket knives, even found an old silver plated whip handle that had an iron screw through it. Nice token.

agree with you whole heartily Jeff that is the one thing I can not stand on the Simplex plus is those dying Duck tones, those tones were the first thing I would have changed on the Simplex Ultra also they sound like someone has a duck in a strangle hold and it refuses to Dye LOL