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Well other day we did a double hunt. Got some junk jewelry/toys/coins at beach then stopped by local park and found 2 wheats 1944 & 1946. Funny I found both matching triangle shape earrings in the surf about 10 ft apart. Someone must have got tumbled around in waves. Usually only find single earrings. A day later wife and I went to another beach found rings (1 silver)/several pieces of silver jewelry and a lil silver n gold earring/toy cars/sun glasses/coins. Great day I was in a nice trough up to waist. The D2 using the DIVE program worked very well/stabile in trough and while having waves crash over the coil. Heck we even ran into Joe D on beach — he was testing out one of his setups. Good times for all. Now I am laid up again for a few weeks do to a surgery yesterday. So no detecting for a bit. But I will finally get a chance while I am laying around to look at everyone’s post n videos. Cheers and keep diggin!

I didn't get a chance to post this earlier, but a few weeks ago I got to go back to the site of my first ghost town hunt. It's one of my detecting club's permissions that has been hunted for probably 30 years of the club's 50 year history. My first hunt there 2 years ago was a daunting experience to say the least. If you've never done relic hunting, specially on a site that once had almost 2000 people living and workng there, then you cannot even imagine what that's like. The tons of iron and coal throughout the area makes every detector go nuts and a few detectorists too. 😉 There are other inhabitants on this site as well. A couple of local boys wanted to crash the hunt, but they didn't have their club cards on them so they were politely asked to leave. 😏 I was very excited to get back to this site hoping for some really old coins and artifacts now that I have had a few years of training and felt I was ready for the big game. Well let me tell you, it only takes hunting a few hours of hunting with 30 pro detectorists to to put you in your place and one of the big lessons I learned was that detecting is 50% physical and 50% mental. I started the first day rushing around to get out the door on time for the long drive to get to the site on time and discovering a few block from my house that my rear tire was flat. That set the tone for the day. I got that fixed and flew like the wind and just barely made it to the meetup on time. When we get to the site, I rush around getting my wife's detector set up and ready to go, grab my detector and climb through the barbed wire fence and discover I forgot my shovel, so I climbed back through the barbed wire, grab my shovel and slither back through the fence only to find I forgot my gloves... Auuuughhh! I run the gauntlet again with gloves in hand and finally get ready to hunt and my remote control lock mount decides to break off. Fortunately I have a couple of backups in my pack.... but I forgot to pack my little screwdrivers.... just shoot me! I manage to flag down one of my detecting buddies and he graceously stops his hunt to rescue me. When he returned to hunting, he was promptly rewarded with a beautiful 1876 Seated Liberty Dime with CC mint mark! By the time I get out on the field my brain is fried and I spend the next several hours finding junk while everyone around me was finding ancient coins and wonderful artifacts. That's when I just took a time out to get my head together. After I settled down and ate a sandwich I went back to the field and my training kicked in. I discovered everything I was doing wrong and adjusted accordingly and then the finds started popping out of the iron. There were some amazing finds made over the 2 days at this site by some great detectorists, not by me of course, but I did find a few interesting things and learned an invaluable lesson. Keep a cool head, remember your training, and most of all respect the skills of your mentors! They all did well and deservedly so. I look forward to day that I reach that level of Zen. Well done my teachers! One of my cooler finds was this tiny heart pendant or rosery piece: Here's a dime for size comparison: Unkown disc, possibly a coin or token piece but no discernible markings. Oil lamp wick mount with 1872 & 1873 patent dates: Mostly iron and lead trash:

I have both and they are more alike than they are different both are lite weight and easy to swing all day long, my time using the new Axiom is limited so I’ll limit my comments on performance to the fact they both hit on the tinniest of targets, the 6000 is ahead for now in the search coil selection but the 6000 coils I believe are chipped the Axiom I’m actually not certain but I think are not time will tell if the Aftermarket coils for the Axiom get an advantage but not yet, the iron check and display may give the Axiom an advantage but I have not used it enough to understand what it is telling me enough to trust this feature but over time I hope to. I did get a chance to operate the Axiom in an extreme environment looking for meteorites in a dry salty lake bed where I’m told metal detectors are seldom used if ever due to the salty ground a visual identification method and a magnet stick is the preferred collection method. Trying the Axiom in salt mode to my surprise it handled the conditions with ease. Firing the Axiom up first time in the salt I doubted it would be effective but there was just the slightest groan swinging the coil side to side and in less than a minute it hit on a target not a meteorite but a fine 1” long piece of wire it will identify targets in these conditions. Next I set a .3g test nugget on the dry salty lake bed and the signal air testing was as clear in salt mode as it was in fine mode in the gold placer. I was focused on finding a meteorite in a area I’d never before hunted and not comparison testing so never tried the 6000 but think it would have struggled as the fine, normal and large Axiom modes all overloaded blanking out trying to hear a target in these conditions. I hunted a few hours digging a couple dozen targets mostly bullets along with the assorted bullet shells and tiny pieces of wire a few of the 22 slugs were 4 to 5 inches deep hit loud and would have been detectable deeper I’m sure and there is little doubt it will if id put the Axioms coil over one I’d hear it but I was just not in the right area.

Guess I'm lucky because it's not an either-or choice for me. My detecting partner is my wife and we run both. If I had to choose one, it would be the 6000, but it is definitely close and I don't feel disadvantaged when Sally is running the 6000 and I'm on the Axiom. I like the A in hot ground and love the ergonomics. Have found small gold in beat-up club claims at Quartzsite with both and prefer the Axiom in hot rock settings. If I was on a tight budget I'd go Axiom because I think it's more versatile out of the box. I agree that running in 3 or 4 on the A is best for learning the machine. Like many of you, I had to get the fix on the 6000 and also prefer the CoilTek 10 x5 on the 6000 over the stock 11, but it is really a case of getting to know your tools and using the right one for the situation. Lots of good advice on this thread. Having been in the field with Gerry and Lunk, I trust their advise. Would still be looking for the first nugget without their advice and training. Mike

No. Not just success but survival means getting on a faster product cycle just like we see with other manufacturers. The sit on old product for a decade formula does not work any longer. But in my opinion it is multifrequency Garrett needs to get serious about and fast, as they are left in the dust on that at the moment. The Axiom 2 can come later.

Note - I’ve combined this thread with the other thread on the same subject. The question is skewed by the price difference in Oz and the US. I've been quite clear I think the 6000 has the edge for nugget detecting. The easy answer if they are the same price is get the 6000. It's the safe answer. I have not used a 6000 in over a year now, and so getting into the nitty gritty versus the last build version of the Axiom is not really possible for me. I am satisfied to be using the Axiom and quite honestly I just don't care. I had a chance to pick up a 6000 for a song recently to maybe get into the question and passed. I don't need another detector for what I'm doing. Mainly I'd rather let truly unbiased end users speak to the situation given my involvement with Garrett and the Axiom. Plus these days I'd rather just go detecting than spend time in the field splitting hairs over detectors. The interesting questions arise since the differential is small, and the Axiom does have features the 6000 lacks that might matter more in some situations, especially for non-nugget uses. Chase Goldman and the relic hunters in Virginia, for instance, have a whole different view point about the machine. But again, at the same price, let's call it for the 6000 and nuggets. The big question for US users then - is the 6000 worth a 50% price premium over the Axiom? You Oz guys simply have a different situation and Minelab is a safe answer. Here in the US, it's not so simple. $4000 versus $6000 is a real and serious price difference and for some people it makes a genuine difference to consider. Is that $2000 worth it? That, my friends, is an interesting question, and one only answerable by the person involved. For casual users, maybe not. For very hard core users, probably. But that's as much as I intend on getting into it, as again, I think it's best for others with zero connections to industry or brand loyalties to speak to the issue. It is a shame in one way though. If Garrett had come out with the Axiom a year before the 6000, instead of the other way around, it would have shook the detecting world. Honestly people, take the 6000 out of this equation, people would be falling all over themselves to get Axioms, even in Oz. Minelab simply beat Garrett to the punch, and in doing so stole the wind from their sails. But that does not take away from what Garrett has done here, which in my opinion is be the first US manufacturer to make a PI nugget worth mentioning as a real option for at least some people to that offered by the Minelab monolith.

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mn90403 — Lipoma removal for me on hip area. Been there for several years. Finally getting around to all the surgeries I was supposed to get done before Covid lockdowns and now that we got a handle on the cancer stuff. Did not want any masses of any shape or form on me. Pancreatic stage 4 Cancer free for over a year now after my extensive chemo treatments and whipple procedure. Many more years to go and holes to dig. God has given me a second chance on life. Thanks to everyone for the kind words (doh I ran out of likes for the day).

Simon, Minelab USA goes through spells. Back in the 90's and through most of the 2000's we used to have promos to match the US manufactures. Then a certain person came in shut down dealer promotions, dealer give aways, took away the 3 Day Air shipping and even took away the free hats on big orders. The promotions you have seen the last 6 months could be due to lost market share, drop in stock prices, lack of sales and profits. I can't understand why some countries don't get them though. Who knows, all it takes is a new person in charge with new ideas.

Seems like I'm not alone in making the best with a machine which is old and outdated. Sarcasm, Sorry. Something has happened with me learning the MX Sport. It sets along side of my MXT Pro. As I work on understanding the Sport I find I'm learning more on the MXT. No doubt 2 "Different" machines. Thru the years I have found setting which worked for me and then failed to learn all the other settings. Prospecting, Beach, All metal, Relic, Coin and Jewelry, Even back to the White's Series 2 5000D Coinmaster. Even the TR mode which I knew from my very first detector, An AH Electronics Pro. The Sport is my first "Menu driven" detector. I always liked being able to look down and see exactly what my setting are. That and the Sport has a LOT of settings. I'm hoping the thread continues for us old Model T folks.

In January the storms that tore up our So. Cal. beaches left huge fields of thick, jet-black, sand during the low tides. A handful of us hunters enjoyed some of the best hunting we've ever experienced for about a month. The most popular detectors I saw during this time were the White's PI machines. I saw PI Pros, Dual Fields and a TDI Beachhunter(mine). It was impressive to see how relevant these older detectors still were with so many newer detectors available today.

Do you think Garrett is done with the top tier gold machines now, out of curiosity? I don't know if it's feasible due to patents, but given what seems like inordinate delays from the last GPZ release, seems like Garrett could have a chance to beat Minelab to the punch with a lightweight GPZ competitor that many of us have been waiting ages for, and thus holding off purchases of a more lateral move like the Axiom. I guess maybe another problem is there isn't enough money in it with nugget depletion's inexorable march forward though to justify the R&D though even if it were feasible?

Found this nice silver ring while hunting an old school yard. Not exactly what the machine was designed for. Oh, the wife latched onto it right away and it fits her perfectly. Dug a lot of beer tabs first.

ChatGPT is your friend! Where may I find gold nuggets in Italy? ChatGPT: Gold nuggets can be found in various regions of Italy, particularly in the northern part of the country. Here are a few locations where gold has been historically discovered: Val Chisone: Located in the Piedmont region, Val Chisone is known for its gold deposits. The area around the town of Pragelato has been a popular spot for gold prospecting. Valle Aurina: Situated in South Tyrol, Valle Aurina has a long history of gold mining. The streambeds and rivers in this area have been known to yield gold nuggets. Val Bodengo: Found in Lombardy, Val Bodengo is known for its gold-bearing rivers and streams. The area around the town of Piuro is particularly popular among gold prospectors. Val Grande National Park: Located in the Piedmont region, Val Grande National Park is known for its pristine wilderness and gold-bearing rivers. It's advisable to obtain proper permits and follow any regulations before prospecting in the park. When engaging in gold prospecting or any kind of mining activity, it is essential to obtain the necessary permits and follow local laws and regulations. Additionally, it's important to practice responsible and sustainable mining techniques and respect the environment.

A forum member tried to get these to pair up but was unsuccessful. You can read about it here. Regarding whether ML is using BT LE LC3 in Manticore, Nox 700/900, and XTerra Pro, well we don't really know if it's going to be compatible with 3rd Party BT LE LC3 Headsets as has been stated previously in this and other threads but we do know the Manticore and Nox 700/900 wireless headsets utilize a system on a chip that was explicitly designed for BT LE LC3 and that ML applied for FCC compliance certification for a BT LE transmitter associated with Manticore.

That was a nice hunt. Get better soon. @mn90403 too.

Hi, I wondered why I lost my account so now I know. No posts UGH! I'm not a newbie at this but too busy atm with caregiving duties to post and didn't know about posting so here is my first one haha. I hope to be more active in the future. BTW, I love reading posts and lurking 🙂

Thanks!! Been looking for 115 in black. Of course I already have 2 of the longer ones now, so I might just wait.

Yeah, in wet alkali soils (common in the US) the 6000 does notably better than the GPZ. Part of that is the smaller coil though, but it still does better in wet alkalis than the GPZ running a 12" coil too. The fact that no one really knows what Geosense is kinda shows the point I was making about it being too opaque of a detector in the other thread, none of us know what's happening, why or when. For general use it's not a big deal I guess, as long as it's finding gold and fun is being had. But for those who need or want to know what they are missing, why, and when, it's not really a good thing.

Great analysis, Simon and I imagine you are correct or definitely directionally correct. The lack of timings from prior units to the 6k suggests current processors and coding have the ability to make some determination around the best timing for a given set of factors in the ground. We all have our real world preferences driven by experience, so the "best" here is likely a theoretical best. I like the change as timings always seemed archaic to me, but that's likely primarily because I don't live in gold country and could never get enough time on the machines to develop a proper feel and understanding of them. The most puzzling part, which you also point out, is the "difficult environments" phrase. The SDC can operate in what I would call difficult environments. So then the question is, how does Minelab define "environments" in this statement. Is it static mineralization, variable mineralization, gold size relative to mineralization, a weighting of those, etc. The analysis can get a bit lawyerly and, in the end, it may just be marketing. Even with all the undefined parameters and its share of growing pains, it has evolved into a good machine and I am happy to have it.

The transition from paper to plastic hulls for shotgun shells occurred in the early 1960’s. The 410 small bore shotgun and other weapons appeared around 1875 and gradually gained standardization and popularity for small game hunting thereafter. Remington made 410 ammunition as early as 1915 but didn’t label it “410” until some time after that as far as I can tell. Your cartridge is probably early to mid 20th century and is most likely bracketed by the dates of the coins you found.

Which is best? Heck man that's an open end question. Best at value? Best at Ergonomics? Best at Discrimination? Best at coil options? Best at durability and least amount of issues? Best at Relic Hunting? Best at small gold? Best at Big Gold? Best at User Friendly? I own both and have posted much gold found with both in times past. For a 50% more price increase of the GPX-6000 in the USA $6000 vs $4000 for the Axiom, what is best? I don't see the average person needing to spend the extra $2000 and in fact I would recommend that person get a good VLF to complement the PI. As I said, I own both and for now, plan on keeping both. But I use them as tools and can afford both. I'll be in the field soon and hopefully find some gold this year. So far my best piece is a small chunky specimen with the Equinox 900

AFN you have nailed it, the edge the 6K has over the Axiom, from my hours behind both, is what ML call Geo Sense when running in one of the Autos. If you cannot handle the Autos on the 6K you are probably better off with the Axiom but don`t start using the Axiom on full sensitivity go no higher than 3 until you have some hours on the clock.

I really need that coil. Good to see it at least it really does exist in some form.

Added some new information and photos.

Now those are some great hauls, PI-Man, well done, and congrats on all the silver and gold! Hope you and mn90403 both have fast recoveries and can get back to doing what you love soon!

Their ex works cost out of Malaysia would be in US$ and they would ship to centralised warehouses around the globe - they would not ship to Australia then to the US - you would be just adding significant cost to the product with no added benefit - they would ship direct from Malaysia to US. Because they buy in US$ there would not be any exchange rate variation when selling into the US market - the exchange rate would only have an effect if Minelab wanted to convert money in their US$ account to Aussie $.

I wonder what ML's boxed and ready to ship from Malaysia price is with that exchange rate of what they pay? They don't really have to take delivery of all of the product in Australia, do they?

You dug some interesting targets. I really like the glass. Neat place to hunt.

For those that were looking for these, Serious Detecting has the Black 250 cm, 115 cm, and 65 cm D2 Wave Guide cables in. They also have all those lengths in the clear cables as well. https://www.seriousdetecting.com/products/?filter_compatible-xp=xp-deus-ii&orderby=date&filter_product-category=parts-accessories 😎

GAU, Aye between the 6K and the Axiom choosing depends on the users experience, capability and ground which will suit them best, thus "the piece of string". If what one of us do well with cannot be assumed to be so for all.

A Gpx 6000 user spent 3 days prospecting this cut on the Taft claim near Red Chiapas coming away with 16 nuggets. I came along after with my Garrett Axiom and found a nice nugget he missed!

We were both in normal. I've heard people say difficult may work better on small gold, I haven't found that to be the case in my soil. There really isn't much in it, but normal gives the slight edge. It's not dramatic like the GPZ in normal being so much better than difficult. I agree with Jason about the 11", other than the quality problems its an outstanding coil, something more I would think the aftermarket would have done and the standard coil would have been subpar on performance, the 11" surprised me with how sensitive it is and Minelab nailed it for sensitivity to small gold with that coil. My ultimate GPX 6500 would have manual ground balance where you can lock it, a way to disable whatever Geosense is doing in the background would be nice, just like Fixed on the older GPX, tracking was bad on that for me, Fixed as I was happy. And in Auto and Auto+ it would be nice if it had a display number on the screen showing what sensitivity it's in, just giving some information so the user knows what's going on. They went a smidge too automated on the 6000, a little more control would have been nice, in saying that, now I've had mine all fixed up with coil replaced and EMI Fix it's a good detector for my needs and so light and easy to use.

Got me one it’s on its way, thanks Doc. I’ve made various simple elastic tethers but never fully satisfied with the results. Can’t wait to try the Quipple out on my Xterra pro and Deus 2 with bigger coil. I know neither of these are particularly heavy, but I have bad arthritis and I feel it even on my detectors. I think it’s possible to get nearly zero gravity using a well designed suspension sling. I’ll post my observations of it shortly after I get it.

Great response by Low & Slow.

Recovering from a record breaking Winter of Snow, now we are suffering from near daily Rains. My Theory is there is so much moisture in the Sierra’s coupled with warm Spring days turns it into afternoon Thunder Storms. Anyway a person addicted to our hobby has to get out and search for their fix. This story is about my 3rd trip and just like the first two trips knowing that the ground was subpar for detecting…but, it’s the hunt and hunt we must! Met my Pard Lucky Larry out of Elko, NV we quickly hoped into my RZR and hit the trail. Notice I didn’t say Dusty Trail. We hit several old haunts with limited results at each. We ended up hunting some new ground, I dropped Larry off on one side of the hill and I drove over it to hunt the other side. Hour later, I went back to my RZR to pick up Larry and my trusty machine would not start! During the over a mile hike back to my truck, I figured it was my Fuel Pump…of course no Shade Trees out in the high Desert to confirm my diagnosis. Lucky I have a winch on my RZR as we would have never got her loaded up, didn’t bother trying to crank it before loading as I knew I’d need every bit of my battery to load it. It rained on and off as we drove back to camp and continued thru the night. Next morning we drove to a nearby patch and pulled a few more dinks before I loaded up and left with rain drops just starting to fall. Back home with my newly Amazon delivered fuel pump, I hoped in the bed of my truck where I left my RZR. Let’s see if the battery recharged itself, the sucker cranks up! I unload it and take it for a ride in the back 40. Cranked every time I turned it off too! Still no shade trees, but in my garage I thought maybe it was Vapor Locked? I read up on it and it’s not uncommon…so if you see my little Red RZR way out in no-man’s land laying in a puddle of oil, know I shed a tear! It’s Memorial Day and according to Weather report 3 more days of afternoon thunder storms. Rye Patch area will need a few dry days to get the ground settled down to hear them dinks, but there is always some shallow ducks to get your coil over until better conditions arrive! Here’s our loot for the day and a half trip…yes, my poke is on the left. Both Larry and I used the 10x5 Coiltek on our 6000’s…great coil. Until the next hunt! LuckyLundy

Theres a gardening channel on you tube that I've subscribed to years ago..Usually has some good stuff..lately he's been doing ufo crap...It generates 10 times the hits 10 times faster that the gardening stuff does....I've unsubscribed to the channel. The Metal detecting New York city channel is not on my subscription list either. strick

Start of another nice patch of small tiny nugglets with the new 6000, seems to be going good, but have not tried the Axiom cheers dave

Only one I used was the Swingy Thingy a few years ago on my Nox swinging the 15" coil for 5+ hours on the beach. It worked pretty good , but wasn't great. Best result was when I had to wear a backpack for those long hunts with my supplies and it was fine attaching to to the D ring on my strap. For shorter hunts , I would attach it to an "O" ring I installed on my belt. This worked just ok , mainly because of the angle. A few friends ordered them after seeing mine in So.Cal....But I'm looking forward to how this new one might work out.

Thanks for getting out and testing real world, Cap'n! 👍 Looks like you got about rainbow-ed out there, from the Hot Wheels car to the jewelry. 🤣 Love the fine linen and china display as well. Your report is encouraging, I was still trying to be objective with V1, but apparently they made it a bit easier to be. The audio response bit is intriguing. 🤔

It's gold!!! Gold colored aluminum! Great write up, CPT, with comparison and inclusion of settings. 👍

I like to have the best of both worlds. One day I’m out with my V3i, which is not going anywhere for the foreseeable future, and the next I’m out with my new XP Deus II. At this point the only thing that holds me back from using the V3i more is I don’t want to put wear and tear on it that will become harder to fix over time. I love my V3i. There’s nothing on the market like it and likely never will be again. Then there’s the Bullseye TRX, which I still consider the best pinpointer ever made. I have 2, and if I could I’d have 5.

I'm just out enjoying the great weather hunting with mine. No real complaints except I wish they had the small coil available.

The chat I had about the 900 will remain private for the time being because I want it to, not because I was asked to keep quiet.

I guess nobody can now say Minelab don't care about their customers as they've proven otherwise in this case, along with the GPX 6000 EMI issue.. They did the EMI fix for the GPX and it now works a treat, they're now looking into the ID issues with the new detectors. I'm really happy about this just as I was about the GPX 6000 EMI Fix. Thanks Minelab. I agree too, it's good they made the call to a detector user that's very knowledgeable and level headed and not just some Facebook or Youtube personality, Jeff's criticism was not click bait like Youtube videos often are, it was a genuine opinion of a possible problem that may need some attention with the new 900 and possibly also the Manticore. I had a play with my Manticore today, there is nothing I can do settings wise other than beach mode to give it anywhere near the ID stability of the Nox. I can improve it over default settings but I can't get it to the level of the Nox, even taking into account the extra ID's of the Manticore on deeper coins that the Nox can remain quite solid on. Beach mode is the only way I can get it what I'd call good on ID's on deeper coins.

For those of you who may not think or believe that Minelab cares about their customers or that they pay attention to these forums, I had a very nice, lengthy phone call from one of the Equinox 700/900 design engineers tonight (4/28) in order to talk about the experiences I was having with the Equinox 900 that I own. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this topic and who kept it real, no nonsense and as factual as possible. Minelab does care about the experiences we are having especially with new models and also when they are reported in a level headed way. For you GPX 6000 owners, I did give the gentleman that called me a huge thanks for the speaker/audio/EMI mod and I gave him and Minelab a special request for a small DD coil for the GPX 6000. Maybe it will happen. later, Jeff

I have confidence they will fix it, especially on the 900, it's just a blinged up 800 and includes extra Target ID's with the same software tweaked a bit, it's instability should only be jumping around an extra three or four numbers over what you'd expect with the 800 with it's larger ID range. Something more is going on by the sounds of it, the Manticore with less ID's should be even more stable than the 900 but it doesn't sound like it is. I'm sure all these detectors share a lot of the code and hardware with each other. If anyone recalls I was constantly commenting how stable the Nox 800 and Vanquish are in my soils, to the point I cherry picked almost constantly and was rarely wrong with my prediction of which coin it was going to be that popped up. I can't do that with the Manticore, I can't have that confidence. Some may say I need to learn the Manticore, I didn't need to learn the Nox or Vanquish, I turned them on and found coins with great success based off the target ID's alone. I don't need 100 hours to see that a coin in mild soils with no junk is not as easy to find accurately as it once was, I've done side by sides with the Nox 800 and Vanquish on targets against the Manticore, I know which works best at identification in my conditions, in saying that I've had a lot more than 100 hours now but I knew long before 100 hours, in 10 hours perhaps. I hope they can improve it, but I fear with detecting there seems to be a bit of give and take, they gave other improvements maybe at the detriment of Target ID's. The thing that bothers me the most about this is they were and are still marketing the Manticore as having improved Target ID's over the Nox 600/800... and that to me in my conditions which for most detectors are the easiest conditions around is simply not true. I would not trust accepting and rejecting targets with such unstable Id's. I could do it down to the notch on the Nox. If they can just fix this the Manticore is near perfection for me, it's the only gripe I have with it although a rather big one, if they fix it I'll be happy as can be. Everything else about it is fantastic, they just weren't capable of hitting a home run on this one and the original Equinox is the detector that was the real game changer. I believe the Manticore is very overpriced considering its shortfall. Please fix it Minelab, at least acknowledge it and say you're working on a firmware update to resolve it, give your customers some indication that you care. At the moment those singing loudly with disappointment are damaging your sales far more than saying we didn't quite get it right and we are working on a firmware update to fix it.

Great reporting Jeff, thanks. I have always and to this day still think the Equinox was the machine that made the clear and undeniable jump beyond what came before. My expectations for anything since have been minimal, and everything I’ve seen has told me I was not wrong in that.

For @phrunt sorry for the delay.. Coiltek 10x5 GPX 6000 and Nugget Finder 12x7 GPX 6000 hope this helps. strick

GPX 6000 for Goldmonster control type simplicity and Axiom for users wanting to adjust settings further for more challenging grounds. Axiom also for use in more surface iron infested grounds using DD discrimination. One year more warranty on 6000 though.