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  1. 8 points
    I have been digging nothing but trash most of the summer and modern clad coins. Been a frustrating season. But I finally hit a small honey pot of an area. We have a historic park and residence thats been used for almost 200 years. and its several acres. I know that literally hundreds of detectorists have been combing this park for decades, they say theres nothing left there. Well, I beg to differ. I have started probing into the least likely areas that most detectorists wouldn't venture into and it paid off the first day. I spent an hour digging stuff just along a 50 foot strip from the car, one modern coin, one really old pull tab etc every 2 feet until I flipped one plug to find 4 coins! 1907 Barber quarter, 1923 Mercury dime, a buffalo nickel(no date), and a 1919 wheatie. continued to dig clad quarters and pennys every 2 feet then a diamond ring, says 18k in the band. Then to top it off dug up this old token from a billiards room, did some research and it was a members only billiards room that ended in the 1920's in town. This one 50 foot strip of grass wore me out lol but I guarantee I will be back next weekend. Even the modern clad was all from the 60's and 70's so thats promising. And some might disagree but as long as I'm digging super old 1960's pull tabs that is still promising to me this area isn't over hunted yet.
  2. 5 points
    I can't think of any reason I'd use a DD but I imagine it might be handy for someone in hot soils where mono's struggle. The normal benefit to me using a DD on my GPX would be EMI handling benefits but that doesn't matter with the QED. I was just testing it worked as it's a new feature of the QED. I believe if the DD was working in Mono mode like I can do on my GPX the left side of the coil would be the hot zone, if I switch my GPX to DD mode the center of the coil becomes the hot zone. The QED had the center of the coil being the hot zone which means it was running the DD as a proper DD, not as pseudo mono. My GPX rarely had any ground balance issues either, I've gone entire days forgetting to even do a ground balance on it, just switch on and go. To be honest I have no idea what difficult soil is like, I've experienced hot rocks and find them annoying but I haven't had soil cause me a concern. KiwiJW took me to one location that was very salty soil, it was even white in colour and tasted salty, I found my GM 1000 struggled to work here, for the first time I had to run it in manual 6 to get it to work well, it is usually maxed out. It was only a small area, like a dried up little salty lake covering about an acre or two at most I guess. This was my first and only experience with problematic soil. I switched to my GPX at this spot and it ran normally and found a bit of gold. A good sized bit for NZ too ๐Ÿ™‚ Something else I'd like to point out, a lot of people say detecting after rain makes it more difficult for them, they say it livens up the soil mineralisation. Well here it's the opposite, after rain we are more likely to find bits of gold we missed when the soil was dry, it livens up the targets! Both JW and I have found this to be true. My struggle with ground balance from my first day detecting was working out why I can't ground balance like everyone else on the YouTube videos and on forums with people explaining how ground balance works, they get noise and it clears up as they ground balance.... I never got the noise so didn't know if I was ground balancing properly. Even my VLF's I can just use as switch on and go. I still try do a ground balance as I like to have my equipment running at it's peak but I don't get problems if I don't. I normally run my GPX at between 12 and 15 (max) on the gain, it's not the soils that make me back it off, it's the EMI. The QED doesn't suffer from the EMI like the GPX does and if you recall I've done many posts about GPX and EMI trying to find ways around it as it's been my biggest issue with my GPX as our gold fields are often at or near high voltage power lines from Anti Interference coils to a possible snake oil Anti interference shield. Maybe it's a placebo but I think the AI shield works to an extent. I was able to detect quite close to JW and his GPZ wasn't bothering me, within about 20 feet and we both had our detectors running near flat out. I normally had to keep well away. When I first got my QED I contacted Reg asking him how the Auto Ground Balance button works as I press it in and do my coil lowering thing and absolutely nothing happened. I thought I had a faulty button but no, it didn't work as the detector was already balanced from power on. I've never owned or used an SDC2300 but I see the QED as an alternative to what I'd use an SDC for if I owned one, the QED is my version of an SDC, it can find absolutely tiny gold for a PI machine and even JP's review of the QED backed that up. It's also my go to PI if I have to detect near power lines as it really doesn't care much about them at all, places I can't use my GPX the QED excels and that's why I wanted one. It didn't cost much more than buying an anti interference coil or two. People shouldn't expect to be able to go buy a QED and run it in No ground balance mode maxed out like I appear to be doing now, it's my mild soils that seem to be allowing that, KiwiJW has talked about our mild soils in virtually all of his posts. I'm pleased that people on this forum have been kind to me about the QED, I'm glad people on this forum have put whatever history there is with the QED behind them and been nice about it. I've purposefully not read other forums on the QED or even read old QED threads here as I have no interest in history, It's not about "people" to me, it's about the detector and It's now I care about not the past and how it works for me so thanks to everyone for being good about it, it just shows how good the people on this Forum are and it's turned out to be quite a viable detector for me after all and you can't beat the price... ๐Ÿ™‚
  3. 4 points
    I went out today for a couple hours to a school not visited previously. The old wood chip tot lot was the target area. All I ended up finding were 4 quarters, 2 nickels, 7 pennies, a small button off something, a rivet off some clothing or a shoe, and a strange metal piece that showed up in the foil range. There were indeed some junk items today but not in the picture (can slaw, a zipper, foil, a few pencil tops). I had the feeling someone else had been at this spot before because it was really quiet. Well they didn't get these! It's getting more and more difficult in these places and the finds are more difficult to pull. All the other counties around us where there are probably good things located within school grounds have a strict "KEEP OUT" policy and don't allow any kind of public activity on school grounds.
  4. 4 points
    I received my QED back after it's update today, the manufacturer was very quick getting it back to me, a majority of it's time away was my fault as I accidentally selected the incorrect shipping method to get it over there, I thought $14 NZD seemed very cheap, it should of been about $20NZD... I blame the girl at the post shop as she was new There is a new design battery cover now too as mine came back with the new revision and my old one, Awesome. The new one fits really snug, much tighter fit than the old one and is nicer to get on and off than the old one even thought it's tighter as it has nice edges to grip onto. I like that it's got QED written on it too. Some people in the past had problems with their battery cover falling off sometimes, I really doubt that will happen with this new one. As I was skiing today I didn't have a lot of time to test it out with it's new ground balance method along with the DD coil compatibility but I was desperate to give it a try so I took it out for a spin in the local area with a couple of test nuggets. I took with me a tiny nugget which I left on the ground and a slightly bigger flat nugget that I buried, I thought the flat nugget would weigh more so it was the one I picked to bury leaving the other nugget sitting on the ground to wave over to test as I was messing with settings. Steve H said some time ago I should test out the QED in our mild soils with ground balance disabled so that's exactly what I did today, I cranked the QED up to the highest gain, mode 11 (no ground balance). And set the threshold to my preferred settings and filmed this short video. From the results of this video I assume I can run the QED with ground balance disabled fine in our local soils. I wasn't sure what I set the ground balance to in Mode 11 (NO GB Mode) so I set it to 1, 150 is default out of 300 I believe. I first had it set to 1 as I was testing with the ground balance enabled in Mode 1 which is the QED's most sensitive Mode other than Mode 11 and I was able to run the QED fine without ground balancing when I turned it on so I kept lowering the ground balance numbers and testing and it went all the way down to 1 without any response from the soil. This is what prompted me to try in the Mode 11 which was added as a beach mode initially. Please correct me if I'm wrong with any of this. I am guessing with Mode 11 the Ground balance numbers don't do anything? I pumped the coil a bit to show I'm getting no feedback from the ground with GB disabled. On the previous firmware beach mode was Mode 16 but as this new firmware handles soil types better they were able to drop the numbers of Modes to 1 to 10 for ground balanced modes and Mode 11 to No GB Beach mode. This is the two test nuggets I used The buried nugget The ground nugget. I am looking forward to testing it properly and connecting up my X-coil and NF Evo on it. It's the first time I'd really given my Coiltek Joey 10x5" Mono a chance on it, it clearly worked well. I'm very new on the QED so QEDspert's may find my settings not optimal.
  5. 3 points
    Must have run out of money as that stainless roll holder looks pretty average .
  6. 2 points
    Hands down, school's have produced the most for me. In fact, most of my silver and gold rings have been found at schools. High schools are the best. The e-trac was very good at sniffing out rings if there was not too much trash. I now live in a location where schools are all fenced and gated off.
  7. 2 points
  8. 2 points
    The Mode advantage of the V440 was primarily due to Multi IQ and it's performance on wet salt sand (which ML appears to be attributing to "Jewelry" mode based on their marketing literature as there is no dedicated beach mode as there is on the Equinox) vs. the single frequency ACE. I threw in the ALL METAL comment primarily as a neat feature (not an additional mode) due to the fact that you are one touch away from running with no discrimination (what ML calls AM but which is actually just NO DISC). I am not aware of that feature being present on the ACE other than setting up a custom program slot with NO DISC. HTH
  9. 2 points
    Sorry for the delay in getting back on here been dealing with family health issues. I did do a factory reset on it, and auto balanced it I tried the park 2 setting and it would not pick it up at all the gold 2 setting picks it up but the number goes from 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,11 and when i lock in 4 or 5 the detector is like detecting phantom things it will show something is right there, dig, sift through even take any rocks found out run it past and nothing and then check again and now the focus mode shows it several inches away from where it previously showed. It picks up at the earring at currently between 1 - 1.5 inches at my best guess here is the detector running over the earring
  10. 2 points
    So you're on the wagon for now, but you (and everyone else here) know how easy it is to fall off!
  11. 2 points
    I think it does depend on the detector. I think in the pure audio mixed mode implementations that Mike was referring to as the more traditional mixed mode implementation, you do no lose anything. AM on the F75 is AM and the AM audio is unaffected even though you do get a visual target ID. The issue arises regarding whether the detector in "All Metal" is truly giving a raw, unfiltered all metal audio signal or simply processed audio but devoid of any "discrimination" filtering. In other words, no discrimination "pseudo All Metal" does not necessarily equate to "true All Metal" where no signal processing/filtering is occurring. In the former, even though there is no discrimination filtering occurring, there may be other signal processing/filtering going on. I think the Equinox is a good example of this as well as the Deus, where a true all metal audio output is more a voltage controlled oscillator (VCO) audio that is proportional to signal strength (volume) and phase shift (pitch) of the target signal. The Equinox does not do this when all discrimination is removed (even in the pseudo VCO audio of gold mode) and with the Deus, even though a VCO output is provided in Gold Field mode (perhaps the closest thing on the Deus to true all metal) the signal is still processed through various signal processing filters.
  12. 2 points
    Haha, yes sooner then later is good. I think we did meet, you pulled up on the ATV. I'm 6'6", stick out like a sore thumb in the dessert
  13. 2 points
    Sometimes โ€œold schoolโ€ is the best solution.
  14. 1 point
    I like and i dont like . I like it is multi frequency . I like the stem , though would prefer straight stem. I like the coils . But , I dont like the colour . Though the cover is black , why not the box? I dont like 1/8 inch socket for headphones , and Bluetooth gets interference in high electrical areas on my beaches . I used my Nox 2 weeks ago on a field with pylons and the only way to stop the noise was to put into single frequency , I thought they were obsolete ! . I have heard of issues with the Bluetooth headphones on the Vanquish disconnecting with the machine , that happens on my beaches with the Nox . Is there a module ? If not then can we plug in adapters for our own headphones ? There doesn't appear to be many settings and as said above the segments might be too few , fewer than the Terra 705 ? And will the coins be all in one small area like they are on the Nox ? Except for the Pound/2 Pound coins . There are other things to do with settings but they have been mentioned above . On the whole , i still want to see one . But for me i can see it not being what i want . Something my dealer said to me when we first heard about a new machine coming . There are other machines coming too , i have heard of the Simplex as we all have . I have heard of a new Nokta/ Makro multi frequency but is that true ? And now i have seen a video about a new C. Scope called the Evo 6000 . That will be interesting , they haven't brought anything new out in Donkey's years . And the Evo in the video was seen in the surf ! Single or multi freq ? Looks like 2020 might be an interesting year for detectors !
  15. 1 point
    I'm pleased you managed to make your patch lead and all credit to you for giving it another go, it must of been scary doing the snip again! Great to see you back in action... fingers crossed you find a big nugget to pay for the misadventure. Gotta love those Davsgold picks, looks like you'd need it for that ground.
  16. 1 point
    The LS they are selling looks exact same as mine, maybe it's just the name, classic twill is just the pattern on the carbon fiber I think https://www.amazon.com/Detect-Ed-Carbon-Minelab-Equinox-Detector/dp/B07R1ZX6JP/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Ed's+Equinox+detectors+shafts&qid=1568659643&sr=8-1
  17. 1 point
    I should add that when I talk about water hunting it is all fresh water. I am many hours away from any ocean. The simplex will be a decent choice for freshwater hunting for all the non coastal folks. The vanquish for salt beaches well away from the water, the equinox 600 for salt beaches at or in the surf line (assuming everything works as well as we hope). Its a pretty decent lineup of choices really. All that said I'm still glad I bought the equinox 800 which does everything pretty well.
  18. 1 point
    I dug 3 coins in one hole today using the 15x12", all low value worthless coins but I knew there was at least two of the same coin in the hole, the pinpoint was giving me 2 clear targets right next to each other and I was able to recognize the two targets on the Target ID's too. There was 3 in total so the 3rd must have been very close to one of the other ones so they blended together. With my other detectors there is no way I'd be able to do this.
  19. 1 point
    I am betting nobody ever dug the four coins in one hole as on most detectors that would be a crazy all over the place target ID, I've found similar situations and the Nox can sometimes identify coins right next to other coins and give you multiple ID's but lock onto each ID rather than a random mess of numbers. That's a fantastic result, you are going to have a ball at that location.
  20. 1 point
    Yep totally enjoyable video well done XP.
  21. 1 point
    From the detect ed site for the upper shaft only. "Easy Installation Simply remove your control pod (with the hex key we provide), remove the arm cuff, install them on your Detect-Ed carbon shaft and slide in your existing lower shaft and coil" so you should be good.
  22. 1 point
    Chuck, you are likely correct that the Equinox is likely not THAT high in frequency but ML doesn't publish the Multi IQ specs. It does top out at 40 khz for single frequency, but no one is complaining that it can't find plenty of gold nuggets. You really reach diminishing returns above 50 khz regarding your ability to penetrate the ground. The NOX is plenty sensitive to tiny targets without having to crank up the frequency above 40 and in Multi IQ.
  23. 1 point
    The area we hunt tailing piles in Colorado has its fair share of tiny bird shot. Usually find a half dozen or more each trip. They sound just like the type of gold we are looking for.
  24. 1 point
    The Vanquish uses Multi IQ which is a proprietary multi frequency scheme used by Minelab on the Equinox and Vanquish detectors. The Multi IQ frequency profile is not specified and varies depending on the mode selected. Similar to Equinox, I expect the Vanquish Relic and Jewelry modes would tend to favor higher frequencies for mid-conductive (i.e., brass, lead, gold, nickel) and small profile relic and jewelry targets, whereas the Coin and Beach modes tend to favor lower frequencies for high conductive silver, copper, and clad targets. HTH. btw - can't find where ML advertises that the 540 provides "a customizable frequency range setting" in the official specs. Looks like something Kellyco threw in their description but it really doesn't make sense in the context of Multi IQ as I explained above.
  25. 1 point
    Also a nice comparison chart on Minelab's site here. https://www.minelab.com/vanquish-series The million dollar question is will the Vanquish coils work on the Equinox... 8" x 5" Double-D anyone.... Not making it waterproof seems a bit odd (coil only).
  26. 1 point
    Thanks for that explanation and double thanks for linking to Steve's excellent article (original from 2010?). Even though I had read it before I had forgotten about it AND it hadn't really sunk in. Both are common for me these days. ๐Ÿ™„
  27. 1 point
    Fred, I hope we hear something back on what happened, did he find it, did he give up, or is it still missing?
  28. 1 point
  29. 1 point
    Thanks for answering all my questions ๐Ÿ‘ I thought I was perhaps missing something but it sounds like a mono will give you better performance over a DD in your soils considering there is no (or little) mineralisation to contend with. Nice to hear the DD does work on your QED. Hopefully it will help those of us cursed with mineralisation. I wonder if that will help hot rocks too - that would be very interesting ๐Ÿค” Cheers, NE.
  30. 1 point
    Wow. Without anything next to them for comparison it is hard to tell size. I had that bigger bit pegged for an 8-10 gram piece. Nice character in it. Iโ€™ve seen the damage a 15โ€ Evo can cause - great coil ๐Ÿ‘
  31. 1 point
    You did real well for a short outing.
  32. 1 point
    It's a stripped-down version of the GMT...more simplified. There's a guy in southern Idaho has been trying to sell an almost new one for several months. He's asking $250. Jim
  33. 1 point
    Some weekend as Detectival.
  34. 1 point
    Geez I'm doing well, I've got 2 out of 3 of the shortlist. Almost 3 out of 3 as I've got the GPX 4500 instead of the 5000. Now I've just got to get better at finding gold in the first place, I can't blame my tools Thanks for taking the time to do this list Steve and keep it up to date, I found it extremely valuable when first taking up the hobby and I'm sure many others do too.
  35. 1 point
    I love a good adventure! I also love good finds!
  36. 1 point
  37. 1 point
    Beautiful gold indeed. Nicely done! Thanks for sharing, and all the best, Lanny
  38. 1 point
    Nugglorius, Got two with my 800 yesterday using the 6 inch coil-so thanks. The Equinox does not handle the hot rocks at all and maybe because I don't know what to do yet. And it isn't as user friendly as the Gold Bug 2. Very sensitive to gold at depth though. Gary
  39. 1 point
    Cant beat those old 1950's vintage black and white photos..lol Are you sure the Jeep is not a bit jealous of the new Honda side by side? might want to do a few more tests before you jump to a diagnosis....just saying strick
  40. 1 point
    When I get time (it might be a while) I will post some photos of a Hike/Bush-walk to an old gold mine in Papua New Guinea during the mid 1970's. Here are some teasers of the AREA.
  41. 1 point
    The jewelry I find is neat but has no sentimental value so at 1500 an oz. I cashed in and plan to use the proceeds to fund new adventures and some new equipment to enjoy. I will say take a lot of pictures of your finds for future reference, just never know.
  42. 1 point
    A lot. I donโ€™t have any way to quantify that, itโ€™s just been my experience using the smaller coil.
  43. 1 point
    Lonnie, I am sorry to hear about your experience. Minelab's customer service has been outstanding, for the past two years, for me -- and for most others I've seen post about it on the forums. I do know that Jamie, who Chase mentioned in his post, is no longer with the company. However, there are others available who will take care of you. You can reach a "human" at Minelab by calling 1(630)401-8150. I just called to verify, and spoke with a great guy named Maxwell. I told Maxwell your issue, and he said he'd look forward to speaking with you. I am wondering if you just had outdated phone number information. If you want to try again, try that number I just posted... Thanks! Steve
  44. 1 point
    Looks like all NZ silvers differ from here in Oz being either 50% silver content (up to 1946), or cupro/nickel from 1947 onwards. Australian silvers are 92.5% silver up to and including 1945, then changed to 50% from 1946 onwards. Seems you also have the same curse of the prolific 1c & 2c coins as we have in Oz. Pictured is an example of a mix of 92.5% & 50% Australian silvers from an old racecourse I detected recently. Keep up the good work Phrunt, good to see some coins from a different part of the world on what looks to be some virgin ground.
  45. 1 point
    I don't know where you live but here in Colorado the wood chip playgrounds have 6" to 1' of wood chips with a thick fabric weed barrier below that. The weed barrier is stapled into the ground along seams where the fabric overlaps. The staples are targets as are many targets below the weed barrier. I always turn my sensitivity down to 10 or less in these wood chip playgrounds, watch the depth meter carefully and only dig shallow, 6" or less, two way repeatable targets. I always hunt these tot lots in Park 1 because of the tiny pieces of aluminum foil that will come in from 2 to 12 on the Nox depending on size. Park 1 is definitely less sensitive to these tiny foil pieces but will still hit on small gold targets, no problem. Sensitivity at 10 or less will also let you get closer to play structures with your DD coil. Try to always swing into play structure poles and concrete curbing with the sides of your DD coil and not with the front tip. It will double beep easily on the poles or rebar and fool you. If you use the side of the coil to approach play structure poles, sidewalks and curbs you should only get one long beep. If not, you may have a target. Wood chips do not create much resistance for the transmit and receive signal so you can really turn down the sensitivity even to 5 and still do well around play structures, sidewalk edges and curbing. Running your Nox at 16 will hit every larger target within 1' of your coil including the barrier staples, rebar, and other buried supports for the play structures. Toggle your horseshoe button to check for negative numbers and low tones in Park 1 or Park 2. You can also just use 5 tones to simplify things. 50 tones can be a bit much over aluminum targets, rebar and around play structure supports that have multiple alloys. Park 2 in sand, gravel or wood chips over gravel and sand will pick up tiny foil, aluminum can shards and even tiny naturally occurring iron particles which can all give signals in the 2 to 14 range. Park 2 is much more sensitive to these smaller targets by design. Jeff
  46. 1 point
    Lower frequency weighting in Field 1 is less sensitive to coke. Also less sensitive to weak gold targets than Field 2. Notching out target id numbers 1 & 2 will eliminate most thin gold chains.
  47. 1 point
    I've used my Tejon on dry sand with great results, but it's useless over wet salt sand. My Mojave does a lot better on wet salt sand with the 7" stock coil and the High Mineralization setting. It does start to chatter if you put a larger coil on it, though. But the 7" is really stable and has found me some nice targets. The Simplex does sound like a promising option, but we'll have to wait and see if it continues Nokta/Makro's track record of producing good machines. Despite Tesoro closing up shop, I admit I'm still really tempted to pick up a Sand Shark for water hunting. It may not be the most rational choice but... Tesoros are like potato chips: it's hard to stop at just one! -Ken
  48. 1 point
    Week 3 started off a little slow. It rained for 2 days, then a day of sun, then a 3rd day of rain. You just can't drive the Aussie tracks when they're wet. The camp held up well in the rain, no significant leaks. Fortunately, I brought audio books and a Kindle so we kept entertained. All the clouds put our power grid to the test. We had to use Paul's generator a couple times to top off the battery. I'm including a photo of our power grid, looks like a soup sandwich. We're running about 200 watts of flexible solar panels into a 100amp hr Li-Ion battery. With full sun running only the outback refrigerator, our battery stays fully charged. At night with charging our equipment we drop about 1/4 of battery capacity. We should have thought more about charging compatibility, as it stands we need 110AC for the laptop and 2way radios, cigarette lighter plugs for lights and USB for phones and GPS. What a mess trying to keep it all functioning. I had to rewire our cigarette lighter outlet bank, the wires fried somewhere along the line. I'm ordering a backup tonight. We took the time to go into town and do laundry and take hot showers at the Caravan Park. I ran my clothes through twice, I think the Aussie red dirt may be permanent on some of my stuff. We've been out doing real prospecting looking for new patches along the "line of strike". We've been off the beaten path and as a precaution punch in the GPS coordinates of the truck. Like Daniel Boone, I've never been lost, though a might bewildered a few times. Just when I think I'm in unexplored territory, I find and old timer's campsite or dry-blower tailngs where he sampled the same zone. Our only luck has been a few crumbs off old dry-blower zones. Modern mechanized prospectors have often run a dozer over the old timer's tailings and scraped things to bedrock. If there is some of original caprock left, we have a better chance of finding something. Paul has been off on a frolic of his own. We don't expect to see him for another week, in the meantime Trent sold the caravan Paul was using. Paul is homeless, I hope he doesn't repo his pop-up trailer that we're using. Trent is thinking about moving our half of Camp Yank about 60k to the south to detect a new area said to have good gold. It will be a challenge dividing up the campsite necessities and we'll miss nightly entertainment of Paul's crazy stories. Sunset from Downunder. That's all for now.
  49. 1 point
    I love playing in the old ghost town iron type of sites out west. Been swing the Xp deus 2014. I preorder the EQ 800. Took the EQ 800 to all my old iron sites. I think I gave it a fair shake. I put about 200+ hard hours in with the EQ 800 in the iron type sites. About half of that with the 6" coil. The EQ 800 is a awesome machine for sure i love it! For my heavy junk and iron type ghost town/Relic type sites I grab the Xp every time. For more modern junky parks I would grab the EQ 800 first for deep coin shooting. If im hard core jewelry hunting and old park looking for that gold ring ill grab the Xp with the HF coil.
  50. 1 point
    These Soudpeats Engine buds also work. The newer (and more expensive) model of the Soundpeats Engine does not appear to support APTX LL so avoid it. The drivers of the Engine appear to have superior quality to the Q12's and that is backed up by a more robust audio (I own a pair of Q12's also) and the small neck band puts less stress on the buds than the hanging cord which keeps them more securely in your ear. Bonus, they cost less than the Q12's. HTH https://www.amazon.com/SoundPEATS-Headphone-Earphones-Sweatproof-Smartphones/dp/B07KPWCTDR/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=soundpeats+engine&qid=1551181581&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1
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