Steve Herschbach

Nokta Gold Pie

Generated with AI ∙ April 23, 2024

Nokta Relic Pie

Generated with AI ∙ April 23, 2024

56 minutes ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

Well put for about the 1000th time, Steve.  I hope maybe your words stick but I doubt if that will happen.  Every detector used by anyone on these forums has quirks that some don't like.  There are no exceptions.  Like you, I am weary of this constant "well you may like yours but it isn't for me" stuff.  Honestly, I could care less what anyone on this forum thinks of the detector I like; if I was soliciting opinions I would ask for them.  This is why I post for a while and then vanish.  When I found forums years ago it was all about hunting and the stuff you found.  Now it seems that no matter how well-intentioned a post is, someone grabs onto a couple of words within that post and comes out swinging like it is their obligation to set the record straight.  Like you said, if that's your deal then go to the comparisons forum and have a field day. But stay the heck out of brand forums that are a place for folks to talk about their detectors of choice.

I've been on the shelf for three months after a partial knee replacement and am going to hunt for the first time since late January.  I'm going to use a Garrett Apex because I like it.  If I find a bunch of crap and a couple of zincs I will still have fun.  That's why I got into this hobby in 1972.

Bill

It works both ways. On a brands only forum one can easily sing the praises of a detector without having to say another detector is bad by comparison. I also did a lot of detector reviews, and I rarely did them by comparing to some other machine. I just talked about what I liked about a particular detector and offered tips for how to get the best out of it. I’d mention a thing or two I did not like also - no machine is perfect. But it never required comparing to some other detector. That’s the best way to go on a brand forum as using the place to knock some other brand ends up chumming for pushback.

This is not a discussion forum. Please limit posts only to ads or inquiries directly relating to the purchase of the items for sale. Thanks.

I have used the Tenergy with no problems. Here is an older thread on the subject. Since I mainly nugget hunt my pinpointers really don't get enough use to justify using rechargeables and I've reverted to using regular 9Vs.

18 hours ago, IBMe said:

Electronics has gone about as far as it can.

Signal analysis used to some extent.

Sound wave analysis, used in medical and industry, ignored.

Might be worth at least a little look.

 

I could be all wrong, but it’s used to tell the life of a bearing. I think it has strong possibilities.

I find the idea nobody has thought of this or looked at it as a possibility - ignored it - to be rather amusing. Of course it has been looked at and found wanting. Hook a signal analyzer up to any audio output of any metal detector and you will find out why. Test real world targets - lab demonstrations are fine and dandy but not how it works in the real world.

Hunting by ear can reveal differences people go by, but anyone that has dug enough targets knows bad sounding signals can be great finds, and great sounding targets can be junk. Part of this game is effiecient target recovery and over analyzing signals is generally counterproductive.

From https://cornellpubs.com/manufacturer/hubley-toy/

"Hubley — Founded by John Hubley in about 1894 in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, the Hubley Manufacturing Company made cast iron toys. Its earliest products were trains and trolleys powered by live steam, electricity, or spring mechanisms. Hubley produced stoves and still banks beginning in 1909. It later added horse-drawn fire and circus wagons, cap pistols, trucks, cars, motorcycles, and, in the 1920s, dollhouse kitchen appliances. By 1940 Hubley had become the world’s largest manufacturer of cast-iron toys. Increasing freight charges and foreign competition made the company switch to die-cast toys of a zinc alloy. Hubley was acquired by Gabriel Industries in 1965 and now produces die-cast zinc and plastic toys as well as hobby kits."

Photo of a similar model for sale here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256318411250

Just a reminder - this is the Garrett Forum for people who like and appreciate their Garrett detectors, where they can do so without people telling them that Brand X is better. You want to make brand to brand comparisons, take it to the Comparisons Forum.

I also do not find the Apex to be a powerhouse in my soil and have said so, but I don’t make it my mission to make sure I repeat that on every thread on the Garrett Forum to people who are happy with theirs.

I truly feel sorry for people who own and enjoy a Garrett Ace 150 or a Bounty Hunter. They go out and have fun and find things. Then they find a forum or get on Facebook, and get told what they own is not “the best” by all the people who are sure they own “the best.” There is a general elitist attitude on these forums that can’t tolerate anyone saying anything good about anything other than a dozen detector models. Own anything else and you will rapidly be made into a second class citizen here… and leave.

Great, maybe your car is better than my car, but truth is I like my car and I don’t want your car. Maybe people just like and want to support Garrett products regardless of whether somebody else thinks they should not.

Back in the day you had a discrimination knob. Everything below the knobs setting was rejected, everything above accepted. People often tuned it up to right below copper penny (no zinc in those days) to get the silver coins, but nickels were also blocked out. Or you could set it to get nickels but then dug lots of pull tabs. The first advance in knob based discrimination was the ability to "notch" the nickel range back in. This often took the form of a second knob and a moveable "window" of acceptance. Or it could be reversed to knock out a single items selectively - "notch it out." Notch accept or notch reject.

When digital came along it gave us the ability to create multiple notch scenarios.

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You know Simon that using a PI to ignore pellets is no different than notching the low end pellet responses out with a VLF? Either way you miss gold and either way you don’t dig pellets. The first few non-ferrous numbers on the VLF scale are basically reacting according to size, the bigger the gold bit, the higher the number.

58 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

I am just scratching the surface as far as learning the Manticore, especially as far as how to work with the upper and lower ferrous limits and what the 2D screen is capable of. Since January 2024, I am at 34 US silver coins, 8 silver rings and 3 gold rings. All were found in public parks that I thought were on the verge of being hunted out by me and others using the Equinox 600/800 and were at least 7” deep in tough iron mineralized dirt.

Thanks Jeff. To be honest I’ve been needing some inspiration and motivation, and your post helps provide just that! 

This used to be my forums links list:

AK Gold Forum
Aussie Gold Detecting
AZ Gold Prospectors
AZO
Carl's
DFXonly
Find's Forums
Finders
Geotech
Gold & Coin
Gold Detecting
GPAA Forum
Kinzli
Nevada Nugget Hunters
New 49'ers
NuggetShooter's
NV Nugget
Rob's
TDI Tech
THunting
Treasure Depot
TreasureNet
UK
White's Forum
White's TDI

Most of them are gone now, and out of the U.S. based forums with a nugget detecting community I think it is pretty much down to Rob and I now. Facebook and YouTube have really taken a toll.

Finally! First we had Algoforce but now the real battle starts in pulse induction, with Nokta likely to set new price/performance ratios i.e. bang for the buck.

"Join our naming competition and get a chance to win one of our future Pulse Induction machines!

One designed for gold prospecting and another one for relic hunting!

These detectors will redefine affordability and performance for you to break free from the grip of overpriced alternatives!"

ENTER CONTEST Deadline April 30th

First we had Algoforce but now the real battle starts in pulse induction, with Nokta likely to set new price/performance ratios i.e. bang for the buck.

"Join our naming competition and get a chance to win one of our future Pulse Induction machines!

One designed for gold prospecting and another one for relic hunting!

These detectors will redefine affordability and performance for you to break free from the grip of overpriced alternatives!"

ENTER CONTEST Deadline April 30th

1 hour ago, Jeff McClendon said:

After owning and loving 5 Equinox 600/800s, I thought I just couldn't survive without one.

Now I own the Legend and Manticore. I simply do not miss my Equinox 600/800s at all. I don't even think about buying another Equinox or have the slightest bit of seller's remorse.

The Legend and Manticore easily out perform the Equinox 600/800 where I detect the most and I don't have to worry about leaking and build quality either.

Nice to hear a no holds barred no regrets testimonial. 

That's not how it works. Volcanic mode is for ground so bad the other modes fail and by definition that ground is the ground where that setting outperforms the other settings. In other words, your test bucket is not bad enough to need volcanic mode. In ground where it is not called for you lose depth, not gain it, which is why almost nobody uses it.

I have run into very few people who understand how the timings work on detectors like a GPX 5000. People get it backwards and think settings for bad ground are more powerful when in reality it is the exact opposite. As the ground conditions get worse, each timing is progessively less powerful but works better in bad ground than the more powerful modes due to blowback. It's a balancing act, and timings are nothing more than base sensitivity levels. You reduce sensitivty to handle worsening ground condition - increasing sensitivity as ground worsens is counterproductive. As ground gets milder, increase sensitivity, as it worsens, reduce sensitivity. Less is more in bad ground.

In general you use the most powerful mode you can until it is counterproductive. How do you know? In field testing on your ground. That is why people using canned settings provided by people in totally different locations is a complete joke. You have to learn what the settings do and learn to adjust them for your circumstances, and that means doing it yourself on your ground.

This is a GPX 5000 timing chart but the rationale for how to tune it in lower right is just as true with the Impulse or any other PI detector, and applies to pulse delay, etc. In a nutshell bad ground calls for turning down the power, in good ground turn it up.

I’d expect 800s to still be the norm. The question is, for those that are switching, what are they switching to? Legend, D2, or Manticore?

I ruffle feathers when I say the tech has maxed because people want to believe detectors have no limits. I think however many people are seeing that for some applications at least, like nugget hunting or beach detecting, the Equinox 800 is still a top performer. Gains are very hard to come by with the current state of the technology.

4 hours ago, stateguy said:

Are they coming out with a new machine. Or are they not selling. 

It IS the new machine! The fact that this seems like a U.S. only thing would seem to indicate weak sales here combined with the U.S. managers desire to boost the end of quarter reporting. This kind of sale though does less to generate new sales than rob from future Manticore sales, so the job gets even harder next quarter. I think the Deus 2 is proving to be stiffer competition than Minelab ever thought would happen with Manticore. @Bill (S. CA) reports lots of D2 and very few Manticore on So. Cal beaches. The relic hunters seem to favor the D2. Maybe the scene is different on Florida beaches?

Buy it from Doc in Las Vegas and you will have a built in pointy finger. 

https://docsdetecting.com/

Hi Dennis,

Age is catching up with us both!

Hard call as the Gold Bug 2 is still an excellent machine and you are familiar with it. I myself am going to the Manticore with 5x8 coil for general detecting and that will also include nugget detecting. I am getting to where just one general purpose detector will suit me fine as long as it is also decent for nugget detecting, and Manticore does well in that area, while also serving me for other uses. I'd still bet on the Gold Bug 2 for the tiny bits. Only real reason to consider the Manticore is if you are interested in it's other capabilities i.e. coins, jewelry, relics, beach.

If you do think you want a Manticore now is the time, as it is $500 off until May 6th.

Good videos here in Nevada. Having seen it in person I was impressed and next time out in the desert I'll be swinging the Manticore.

There are a couple dealer ads in the Classifieds. $500 off, new with full warranty - if there was ever a time to pull the trigger and buy a Manticore this is it.

Hmmmm.... First Texas selling below dealer prices. Now Minelab with super deep discounts. Knife fight in detector land with buyers as winners. Sellers of used detectors, not so much.